Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

[Strict]

No. The Yata Mirror can't become whatever it wants because it's not a living organism.

Living organisms can become whatever they want? Yatas mirror is a spiritual weapon without a physical form, whose shape can consequently be changed by Itachi. I think, everyone who read Owarijs post agrees with it.

If databook says, Preta-Path absorbs any Ninjutsu, people claim it could suck up the Mokuton, as soon as it comes to Uchiha techniques, everyone wants do disagree.

 

[HadouKage]

Living organisms can become whatever they want? Yatas mirror is a spiritual weapon without a physical form, whose shape can consequently be changed by Itachi. I think, everyone who read Owarijs post agrees with it.

If databook says, Preta-Path absorbs any Ninjutsu, people claim it could suck up the Mokuton, as soon as it comes to Uchiha techniques, everyone wants do disagree.

But does space have a physical form?

 

[fastrthnwind]

Living organisms can become whatever they want? Yatas mirror is a spiritual weapon without a physical form, whose shape can consequently be changed by Itachi. I think, everyone who read Owarijs post agrees with it.

If databook says, Preta-Path absorbs any Ninjutsu, people claim it could suck up the Mokuton, as soon as it comes to Uchiha techniques, everyone wants do disagree.

You should read my posts then, which everyone seems to be ignoring. I made a decent counter to his speculations.

 

[TruthLover19]

Yata mirror is a LEGENDARY WEAPON and its invisible according to the black zetsu ( madara ) but ofc its not invisible cause itachi himself said that every jutsu has a weakness ( even kamuie ) but we should know that the Yata mirror is the ultimate defensive in narutoverse. But its not invisible.

 

[Waltz]

Yata mirror against CT? How would that help out Naruto and Bee from getting sucked in? Using Yata Mirror against white rage why? when Itachi already knew how what Kabuto was going to do.

You understand my point now you're just in denial. Kishi has shown how yata mirror works against attacks. It entirely your own issue now you won't acceept it.


Yata mirrors abilities has nothing to do with changing elements only it's attributes. It can become anything it wants.

kamui isn't a physical or etherial attack it is a warping of space and time. Yata cannot deflect or adjust to something that isn't attacking it being that it is a shield that response to the users anticipation of the incoming attack. Kamui has no counter but kamui itself.

 

[TruthLover19]

kamui isn't a physical or etherial attack it is a warping of space and time. Yata cannot deflect or adjust to something that isn't attacking it being that it is a shield that response to the users anticipation of the incoming attack. Kamui has no counter but kamui itself.

If kamuie has no weakness or a counter then is it safe to say kamuie > so6p huh????

 

[ShockwavvE]

kamui isn't a physical or etherial attack it is a warping of space and time. Yata cannot deflect or adjust to something that isn't attacking it being that it is a shield that response to the users anticipation of the incoming attack. Kamui has no counter but kamui itself.

hmm.. interesting...

 

[jay2512]

soo would kumui only warp the shield if it was capable of doing so? or the whole susano?

and if it was warped does that mean that itachi doesn't have the item anymore? or could he simply recast the shield? or are these questions unanswerable lol

 

[jay2512]

soo would kumui only warp the shield if it was capable of doing so? or the whole susano?

and if it was warped does that mean that itachi doesn't have the item anymore? or could he simply recast the shield? or are these questions unanswerable lol

edit:sorry for the double post, how do i delete?

 

[Draphsin]

Sorry but i disagree, dust release will surround the whole susanoo. Yata cant defend from all angles

 

[Owarij]

^ Never read the thread, you'd see scans of it doing that


@the rest, I'm in my HCI class , so when I get home i'll reply

I did a quick read through..
People do realize ASTRAL attacks are listed under the things yata mirror can defend from....
The ONLY astral attack in the databook or displayed in the manga since the last db was KAMUI...

 

[Draphsin]

^ Never read the thread, you'd see scans of it doing that


@the rest, I'm in my HCI class , so when I get home i'll reply

I did a quick read through..
People do realize ASTRAL attacks are listed under the things yata mirror can defend from....
The ONLY astral attack in the databook or displayed in the manga since the last db was KAMUI...

lol show me

 

[Strict]

Does astral also include Fūinjutsu: Shiki Fūjin? I think it does.

 

[Owarij]

Does astral also include Fūinjutsu: Shiki Fūjin? I think it does.

Shiki fujin is astral, forgot about that jutsu , as whatever the death god is, doesn't exist in the PHYSICAL realm.. just like totsuka and yata mirror, they are spiritual things..

 

[Forget Me Not]

Nice thread and all, but one thing you must realise is that Kishi always like hyperboles in this manga. One day he says one thing and tomorrow you see the counter. Like he said Gaara's sand was the ultimate defense, yet Lee countered it. Like he said Susanoo was the ultimate defense, yet we saw that underground was the weakness. Like he says in his databook that Amaterasu burns at the same temperatur as sun, but we all know that it's impossible, or everyone around it would have been desintegrated in an instant.

If we go by that logic, must i say that Raikiri can pierce thru Yata mirror then? After all Raikiri's databook says it pierces thru everything:



Even Gai said it in the manga

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If we go by the databook3, when Kakashi wasn't able to use his kamui perfectly, Kamui is the ultimate technique and against this technique no defense is possible(yata mirror included?)



On the second bold part, you even see him saying that there is no technique that can compete against this one. And it's validated when Kakashi said Kamui is unstoppable:

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If it is true, does it mean that Kakashi is invincible right now?

While I don't necessarily disagree with you, the thing here is that Yata Mirror's hype has been pretty much validated. It blocked a ton of paper bombs, and it even blocked one of the most devastating moves in the series--Kirin.

Kishi usually does contradict his hyperbole in the series with later events, but there is no way to contradict the Yata Mirror hype because it no longer exists--thus we have to go by what was said in the manga and databook, which usually contains valid information.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Rename the thread: Yata mirror grossly OVERRATED and I'll agree with you :y

 

[Blaze Release]

^ Never read the thread, you'd see scans of it doing that


@the rest, I'm in my HCI class , so when I get home i'll reply

I did a quick read through..
People do realize ASTRAL attacks are listed under the things yata mirror can defend from....
The ONLY astral attack in the databook or displayed in the manga since the last db was KAMUI...

Actually there are more astral attacks. Example Gedo mazo dragon should fall under this. [

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Another is Gentoshin no Jutsu
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Those two techniques fall under astral. Lol even says art of astral projection. That is the english translation

 

[Owarij]

Actually there are more astral attacks. Example Gedo mazo dragon should fall under this. [

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Another is Gentoshin no Jutsu
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Those two techniques fall under astral. Lol even says art of astral projection. That is the english translation

Q.Q lmao, Forgot about all these things

 

[Forget Me Not]

I'm going to recapitulate this seeing as how people still seem to be geared towards "Itachi is invincible" which is clearly false.

In that case, Susano'o primary weakness would be ground-based attacks.

Some possible ways Yata Mirror could be countered: Exponential speed (i.e. FTG), Sand/Dust (a la Gaara and his father), Wood Clone, Kamui/ST-jutsu, Dust Release, etc.

Would have really been intriguing to see Yata Mirror's full extent. Too bad it's probably no longer in existence.

And all of these things are NOTWITHSTANDING Itachi's clear limitations. I directly addressed the Yata Mirror itself.

Now all of these things could quite possibly counter the Yata Mirror. I've already explained a couple of these scenarios.

As for Yata Mirror extending automatically, I highly doubt that... Here's why. The thing that makes Gaara's defense so special is that it acts on its own accord. But it doesn't just do that for no reason. It's only able to do that because it has been stated in the manga that Gaara's sand is his mother's will, thus it is essentially a sentient thing. Yata Mirror/Susano'o are not. What we saw in the OP scans is that it was extending in CORRESPONDENCE to the debris/damage. These were things at face value. I don't think it could extend by itself if a threat isn't seen/present.

In other words, attacks that Itachi's sharingan don't anticipate likely cannot be negated by the Yata Mirror. It would make no sense otherwise. I don't think we can claim Yata will extend AUTOMATICALLY if Itachi himself (the wielder) does not detect it beforehand.

 

[Owarij]

I'm going to recapitulate this seeing as how people still seem to be geared towards "Itachi is invincible" which is clearly false.

Itachi isn't invincible and I wont doubt that yata mirror has weak points, I even said in the op that that invincible hype is definitely a hyperbole.. I personally believe the shield is an automatic defence for incoming attacks... though there is 0 proof on both sides of the argument, i'll attempt to reread the databook scans and look for some