Tsukuyomi overrated and hyped up

[The Necromancer]

Because it is still TSUKUYOMI. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO BREAK IT. YET YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN HOW CHAKRA DISRUPTION CAN'T BREAK IT. Bee had a hard time? And no proof its a Tsukuyomi? then why are you even on this thread.. Sasuke using Tsukuyomi is common knowledge if you know about the MS.

And how many of the Elite people were affected by it? I mean could've killed Obito.. ;] if it was that OP..



Ok sir, please actually read the thread and then respond... In the thread it states , SM Naruto and people on his level who are able to disrupt their chakra , can break it.

SM Naruto is beyond Kakashi's league.. or anyone other jounin in the Konoha.



Why are you askin me? Does it show that he tried? or even hints? no. He was already scared as hell.



Ok listen ma'am. The affects are not INSTANT.. the genjutsu itself is Instant.. I'm talking about from whats shown, not what Kakashi stated. Affects against Kakashi lowered his spirit and etc, why? Because he was scared in the genjutsu.

Naruto doesn't seem to agree with you.

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[Sexy Steel]

And Sasuke's takes 1 minute?
Danzo stated Sasuke's is inferior because he couldn't MANIPULATE it as good as Itachi, not because of the freaking time.

Susan'o requirements : Tsukuyomi + Amaterasu.



SM Chakra....Changes your whole Chakra system. ;]. I gave you a reason, i never gave you the scenario now did I.

=]

sm changes your chakra system?
well kabuto still got genjutsu'd regarless of his chakra system.

 

[KingHashirama]

Naruto doesn't seem to agree with you.

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~facepalm~ How does that prove chakra disruption doesn't cancel it? and you do know Naruto at that point knew nothing about Jinchuriki powers , as much Killer B =]

sm changes your chakra system?
well kabuto still got genjutsu'd regarless of his chakra system.

your gonna compare Izanami to Tsukuyomi? really?

 

[Bogard]

Because it is still TSUKUYOMI. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO BREAK IT. YET YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN HOW CHAKRA DISRUPTION CAN'T BREAK IT. Bee had a hard time? And no proof its a Tsukuyomi? then why are you even on this thread.. Sasuke using Tsukuyomi is common knowledge if you know about the MS.

No they can't break it. Tell me that they can endure it, and i may agree, but breaking it is impossible for a non-Uchiha so far we know and even for Uchihas, you must be skilled enough

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Itachi's Tsukyomi will only take 1sec , not enough time to break out of it even if you have a friend or Even if you're a jinchuricki.
and that's why Danzo said Itachi's Tsukyomi is superior to Sasuke's...
Yeah , there's no proof that Sasuke's genjutsu is a Tsukyomi , who said it's not a basic Sharingan or a basic MS genjutsu ?

But Itachi's tsukiyomi wont work unless there is eye contact. The idiotic Might Guy only has a 3 in intellegence and he knows that. Same thing with A and Kakashi.

 

[The Necromancer]

~facepalm~ How does that prove chakra disruption doesn't cancel it? and you do know Naruto at that point knew nothing about Jinchuriki powers , as much Killer B =]


your gonna compare Izanami to Tsukuyomi? really?

At this point he has had Sage Mode for long enough to know that it doesn't do a single thing to help him break genjutsu, as you just stated.

 

[KingHashirama]

At this point he has had Sage Mode for long enough to know that it doesn't do a single thing to help him break genjutsu, as you just stated.

1. Has he tried it?no

2. having it long enough doesn't mean anything, when you don't have experience with genjutsus in Sage mode.

No they can't break it. Tell me that they can endure it, and i may agree, but breaking it is impossible for a non-Uchiha so far we know and even for Uchihas, you must be skilled enough

Tell me why Sasuke was able to break out of it.. And please don't give me Itachi's answer.

 

[iSpeak]

And why does it break-down the opponent's spirit? Because the victim gets scared. Simple as that. Sorry, but if what I stated about SM chakra disruption to break out of Tsukuyomi or any other way is wrong,then Itachi > Hashirama, which Kabuto however stated to be wrong.

Not really, both the Senju brothers have the bringer of darkness. That is an automatic counter to visual genjutsu...

You guys keep coming with examples, but have not shown how chakra disruption doesn't work.

I know how chakra disruption works... but that won't help against Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
Since it is instant on the outside world, the only way of countering it after you have been hit by it is within the genjutsu itself (which only Sharingan can do), hence why Itachi said only another Sharingan user can counter it.
But if it is used on a Jinjuriki, I guess the tailed beast would be able to take over afterwards (If no damage to the actual body has been done).

 

[Sexy Steel]

~facepalm~ How does that prove chakra disruption doesn't cancel it? and you do know Naruto at that point knew nothing about Jinchuriki powers , as much Killer B =]


your gonna compare Izanami to Tsukuyomi? really?

lol regardless of izanami he genjutsu'd him at the end so he could release edo tensei.

 

[Bogard]

Tell me why Sasuke was able to break out of it.. And please don't give me Itachi's answer.

Because he is a Uchiha, simple. Like i've said skilfull Uchihas could break it

 

[Horus]

I agree

 

[KingHashirama]

lol regardless of izanami he genjutsu'd him at the end so he could release edo tensei.

~coughs~ Izanami ~ cough~ ;x

No, both the Senju brothers have the bringer of darkness. That is an automatic counter to visual genjutsu...
I know how chakra disruption works... but that won't help against Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
Since it is instant, the only way of countering it after you have been hit by it is within the genjutsu itself (which only Sharingan can do), hence why Itachi said only another Sharingan user can counter it.
But if it is used on a Jinjuriki, I guess the tailed beast would be able to take over afterwards (If no damage to the actual body has been done).

Sasuke's tsukuyomi is instant also.... so is Bringer of Darkness.... . Itachi said only the ones related to him can stop it ;x.

Bro, listen, the damage doesn't occur automatically, the damage occurs because of the user is broken down.

Because he is a Uchiha, simple. Like i've said skilfull Uchihas could break it

Method mate.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Id say its drastically underrated actually. Most people just say "dont look in his eyes" as if its that simple. No one takes into consideration how Itachi implements it in his fights and that its not just a at-the-start-of-the-battle type move.

 

[KingHashirama]

You just contradicted yourself , Manipulating it = controlling the time of the genjutsu., [FACT]Itachi's Tsukyomi can't be broken by normal means[\FACT]

Manipulating isn't the time of when genjutsu hits... Every genjutsu has shown to be instant... whether it is a weak one or strong as Itachi's.

Manipulating is what goes on inside the Genjutsu.

It is not a Fact, because its not stated as a fact. It never stated

 

[iSpeak]

Sasuke's tsukuyomi is instant also....

No his isn't... Tsukuyomi itself can be for as long as the user wants it. But since Itachi is able to manipulate the time inside Tsukuyomi (which Sasuke cant do) Itachi smartly chooses to cast an instantaneous genjutsu on his opponent to stop them having any chance of breaking it, and lengthens the genjutsu inside their mind.

Itachi said only the ones related to him can stop it

He said only those with a Sharingan and the same blood as him (meaning anyone in the Uchiha clan, since their clan have strong Yin release which is used to break the genjutsu) can stop it.

Bro, listen, the damage doesn't occur automatically, the damage occurs because of the user is broken down.

Don't know why you are telling me this... I am talking about how to break it.

 

[xxSAGExx]

This technique is so hyped up by the fans of Itachi.. why? Cause of the page where Itachi says only the ones who are related to him, can break it.. lmao. So based on that page people basically cut off the "normal way" of canceling a genjutsu, chakra disruption, from the list of ways to stop Tsukuyomi. Which is freaking wrong.


Sasuke Uchiha used Tsukuyomi on Killer B, how was Killer B able to comeback? oh yea, because of Chakra disruption.

Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu, all genjutsus are the same, they deal with chakra manipulation inside the victim's body. So Tsukuyomi is no different. People like SM Naruto and Jiraya and others who are able to disrupt their chakra and have strong minds (Otherwise it will affect you mentally , like it did to Kakashi) can break out of it.


Stop overrating something, that follows the simple law of breaking a Genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi is nothing special, if your talking about breaking it.

The reason why that overrate is because they say it happens in 1 sec which is completely wrong, it's 1 sec to everyone outside of it but to the user and victim it's as normal time but as long as Itachi wants it. This was proven against Sasuke, Sasuke was able to use his curse seal and all in the jutsu. Plus Kakashi wasn't really trying to avoid it just to withstand it, he could have used hidden mist if he was trying to but he just close his eye and looked directly at Itachi. So you will have time to disrupt your chakra, lee/guy ca open their chakra gates, Naruto can go km and so on

 

[Varrah]

Using Chakra Disruption to rupture the effects of Tsukuyomi is a really weak argument; especially when you considered Sasuke that Sasuke's structure of Tsukuyomi was incomplete.​

 

[KingHashirama]

Actually my friend , you're wrong in your first point.
You can see that Genjutsus are instant but they're not , because the genjutsu will affect the victim simultanely with the real world , so they can't show you both the genjutsu world and the real world in the same time!!, also , It was stated by Itachi that his Tsukyomi can only be broken with another sharingan , also Asuma and Kurunai affirmed that at the time kakashi told them to close their eye , he felt for the illusion and almost got killed ( itachi sapared on his life )
It's up to you to disgree with the manga..

Ok buddy.

That is a assumption made by you. Because so far every genjutsu is shown to be instant. However the effect of the genjutsu vary on how it is manipulated.

As stated by Itachi.. yes the same guy who said every Jutsu's weakness is him. ^_^. Go figure, Sasuke got out of Tsukuyomi because of the disruption of his own chakra. Part 1 Kakashi is below the level of Sasuke who fought Itachi.. And below Naruto's..

No his isn't... Tsukuyomi itself can be for as long as the user wants it. But since Itachi is able to manipulate the time inside Tsukuyomi (which Sasuke cant do) Itachi smartly chooses to cast an instantaneous genjutsu on his opponent to stop them having any chance of breaking it, and lengthens the genjutsu inside their mind.
He said only those with a Sharingan and the same blood as him (meaning anyone in the Uchiha clan, since their clan have strong Yin release which is used to break the genjutsu) can stop it.
Don't know why you are telling me this... I am talking about how to break it.

Yea it is.... go look again, idk where the hell you people gettin the idea that only Itachi's Tsukuyomi is instant..

Itachi just manipulates his better aka his is more advance.. EVERY GENJUTSU IS INSTANT.. it is not like Ninjutsu or Taijutsu. Disrupting the chakra flow of the body can break Tsukuyomi.. but you have to realize, Kakashi was in tsukuyomi not for just couple of seconds.. but minutes.. and he was already scared.

And i mentioned how the damage occurs.. cause thats all that matter. since the Hitting time for every genjutsu is instant.

Using Chakra Disruption to rupture the effects of Tsukuyomi is a really weak argument; especially when you considered Sasuke that Sasuke's structure of Tsukuyomi was incomplete.​

effects of Tsukuyomi occur if the person does not have a strong mind. For example, scared like Kakashi or getting bummed out like Naruto.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

The power of tsukuyomi depends on the user. Sasuke can't control space and time of his tsukuyomi, so it's because of that, that it's breakable. I don't support Itachi very often, but you're wrong. It's already stated in the manga and Kakashi disagrees with you:

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I agree that tsukuyomi can't kill though. I don't know why Itachi fans believe it's a one-shot technique. It all depends on the opponents mind

Tsukiyomi is a one shot tech though.

Itachi put Kakashi and Sasuke in a coma for weeks with Tsukiyomi. Itachi could of ended both of there lives with a mere kunai afterwards.

 

[KingHashirama]

Tsukiyomi is a one shot tech though.

Itachi put Kakashi and Sasuke in a coma for weeks with Tsukiyomi. Itachi could of ended both of there lives with a mere kunai afterwards.

Sasuke got out ^_^

Itachi's crow genjutsu for exemple is not instant , because Sakura said she saw naruto running and rasenganed an empty space , and she and chiyo had time to free him from the illusion (manga fact)
, Itachi's tsukyomi is super fast , like i said by the time kurunai and Asuma closed their eyes , the genjutsu was already done.(manga fact)
We have no idea if Sasuke broke tsukyomi , or if Itachi let him break out of it , because Itachi had no intention to kill him (manga fact)
Itachi didn't want to kill kakashi either , because kakashi asked him "why didn't you kill me?" (manga fact)

It was instant mate.. lol. She saw Naruto running at empty space, but how is that not instant?

I think your getting the Genjutsu and its affects on the person confused.........