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if it's 1 or 2 tomoes (which most uchihas have) then Byakugan wins, but if it's at a higher state, then Sharingan wins.
Byakugan VS Sharingan
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Sharingen also provides additional abilities you forgot to discuss:
Is able to sense objects behind solid hindrances:
Sharingen can detect Chakra disturbance:
Even at 3T Level, sharingen is tiers above Byakugan.
Is able to sense objects behind solid hindrances:
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- The sharingen can see chakra, even determining how much is left within a user. Sharingen can detect Chakra disturbance:
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Even at 3T Level, sharingen is tiers above Byakugan.
Why doesn't it hold any relevance? Sharingen is an eye KG and eye is solely dependent on light. Sound genjutsu may cause pain but surely wouldn't effect the eye-sight in any possible manner. Hence the reason White Rage manipulates light to block-out the sight to blind the eyes, rendering their given ocular powers useless. Even the scans prove that after they were blinded, they lost their sussano instantly.
FearxDeath
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This is a little decieving. I mean you say that the sharingan can detect chakra and tell when there are disturbances in chakra flow, and I will give you that, But the Byakugans ablility to detect chakra is light years ahead of the sharingan users, not only that but they also train specifically in using this ability.
Just because a blanket has the potential to smoother out a fire doesnt mean you shouldnt invest in a fire extinguisher.
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Going to update this even further sometime tonight, reorganize some things so that it looks nicer and is easier to follow.
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No just common sense and even if I concede that the Sharingan itself isn't light years ahead in this area I can still fall back on the fact that the Byakugan user himself would be. When they fought Sasuke's genjutsu was better than Itachis although Itachi had better eyes, that was because Sasuke had trained more with genjutsu. So even if the Sharingan could match the Byakugan as far as reading chakra goes, which I highly highly doubt, the Byakugan user would still be more experienced applying this ability as it is the thing they specialize in.
The Byakugan users can see and stop there opponents chakra flow by blocknig chakra nodes within there chakra system that they see with there Byakugan.... why haven't we seen any Sharingan users do this since they can see the chakra system as good as the Byakugan user can? Answer, because they cannot.
To be honest it does make sense that they Sharingan user can see there opponents chakra to some degree, because ofcourse hand seals are just one part of using a jutus then second part is molding chakra(This is especially true for jutsu that dont require hand seals). And for the Sharingan user to be able to copy the jutsu they will need to be able to read how there opponents mold there chakra to some degree. But this works to my advantage because the Byakugan user who is more skilled at this would be able to read there opponents chakra to a higher degree allowing him, as i said earlier, to predict what his opponents next move will be.
Wrong on a few things. 1st Sasukes genjutsu was never better than ITachi's. He was just able to see throught it because of his mastery of the sharigan. While I understand your point...you're under the assumption sharigan users don't use the full extent of their eye abilities which is false. Shelke already showed you the scans, why you deny this idk?
Secondly, Stopping chakra flow is not a Byakugan trait it's the Hyuuga iron first style technique. I thought you only wanted to compare dojutu's some the clans overall abilties and such. IF thats the case the Uchihas are light years ahead in the overall shinobi department while the Hyuugas only advance in 1 area of ninja expertise while Uchihas were advanced in all areas. However it is true the sharigan can't see inner coils because they are so small.
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For your third point we've already established that the sharigan can see whats going on inside a person chakra network nearly as good enough as the Byakugan. The only difference that's manga stated is the term of far sight. Sharigan has reading abilities when it comes to moves because not only can it see chakra it has all of it's other movement reading abilities as well.
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sharingan is stop and shop
byakugan is price right
known fact that the byakugan is a aftermarket of sharingan
byakugan is price right
known fact that the byakugan is a aftermarket of sharingan
FearxDeath
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Your rebuttle consist of only 2 points as the 1st misquoted. I did not say that Sharingans users don't use there Sharingans to there full extent, I said that as far as reading chakra goes the full extent of the Sharingan user is not as good as the full extent of the Byakugan user, which your scan only helps to prove because it shows Kakashi saying that his Sharingan cannot see the chakra network as well as the Byakugan user "Frankly speaking, even my Sharingan cant see them". Also consider that the Byakugan user he was referring to was Neji as a gennin, one could argue that a more developed and trained Byakugan would be far superior to his.
Ill agree with your 2nd point although I think you mean gentle fist not iron first, but the gentle fist isnt something that is complicated. it just requires a lot of chakra control, remember that both neji and hinata were able to learn this while they were still gennin and hanabi when she was even younger. When I asked why the sharingan user doesnt use the gentle fist I wasnt saying it was a trait unique to having the byakugan, although it kind of is, I was saying that if the Sharingan could see the chakra network as well as the Byakugan then there should be no problem with them being able to utilize the gentle fist fighting style as that fighting style only requires 2 things, the ability to see the chakra network and chakra control. Since they do not we can infer that they cannot see the chakra system as well as the byakugan user. This is only further proven by your scan.
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For the 3rd point you say that it has already been established that he sharingan can see the chakra system nearly as well as the byakugan. And even if I do accept it it still changes nothing. The byakugan user has no genjutsu and no ninjutsu so In a fight between a byakugan user and a sharingan user it will still come down the taijutsu which the byakugan user will have an advantage in.
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Where are people getting this from, because from what I heard the sharingan is an aftermarket of the byakugan.. can we get some scans on this issue?
They cannot stop the chakra point with their eyes, can they? That is a technique, where as Sharingan provides extensive insight into enemies movements. Far more useful in battle compared to Byakugan.
Uhmm no the Byuugan just has the trait to see very far. It has nothing to do with a Sharigan users ability to train their eyes. None at all whatssoever.
Sharigan can't use the gentle fist because they aren't taught it. Only the Hyuugas teach it and because their Byakugan lets them see far which is manga proven if I need show they can learn it. That's why Kakashi can't see the coils and sharigan users can't.
Your last point makes no sense at all. If a Byukagan user has no skill in genjutsu or ninjutsu, how will that effect a sharigan users ability to use genjutsu or ninjutsu? The Hyuugas are a one dimensional clan, Uchihas were trained and talented in all areas of combat. It makes since once you look at the abilities of the sharigan and how the Hyuugas only incoperate Gentle fist in fighting.
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Yes, they cannot stop chakra points with there eyes and it is a technique, a technique that even a gennin was able to learn, perhaps even younger because all we know is that they knew it while they were gennin. It is also a technique that neji learned just by watching hinata learn it from hizashi. What I am arguing here is that if the sharingan can see the chakra points to the same extent that the byakugan can, which we already it cant because of the scan where kakashi says it cantl;, but if it could then we would no doubt see a sharingan user who makes use of the gentle fists technique as it is rather easy to learn, the only reason all byakugan users dont know it is because it is reserved to only the head branch.
Sharingan provides extensive insight into enemies movements ofcourse, but the byakugan does that as well but does it at nearly 800 meters distance around them, which means they can easily throw down a bunch of smoke pellets and then go on the attack since they can still see and there opponents cannot(a tactic i have yet seen a byakugan user use). And lastly I still hold firm to the fact that the byakugan user can predict there opponents strategy by looking at how they mold there chakra, thus determining whether there opponent will use a genjutsu, ninjutsu, or taijutsu and perhaps even more specifically what kind of those three they will be using as we dont know how differently each technique requires the users chakra be molded. One can assume that a fire jutsu that comes out of the mouth would require different placement of molded chakra than an earth technique that moves the ground and so we can assume that based on how they mold there chakra the byakugan user can even determine what kind of jutsu they will use.
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Your first point is missunderstood, what I am saying is that on top of the byakugans ability to see really far they can also see the chakra network better than the sharingan user can, and that that fact is only exemplified by the fact that the byakugan user specifically train there eyes to be able to make better use of said ability while the sharingan users eye training does not focus on being able to see the chakra network rather it focuses on taijutsu genjutsu and MS/EMS abilities. So not only does the bykugan have an advantage but the gap is widened by the byakugan user trains in seeing the chakra network while the sharingan user does not.
Your 2nd point is completely false. The Seeing far has nothing to do with the gentle fist because the gentle fist is a taijutsu technique meaning you need to be close to your opponent to use it. Kakashi cannot see the coils because sharingan users cannot see the coils, distance has nothing to do with it. Or else kakashi would have said "it is too far for me to see" instead of "even my sharingan cannot see it". Also as said before, yes, the gentle fist is a technique that only the head family is taught, but then explain how neji who is a branch family learned it? he learned it merely by WATCHING hizashi show it to hinata while he was training her. The technique isnt complicated it just requires chakra control. So with that it should not be difficult for a sharingan user to learn the technique the same way neji did WHO WAS ONLY A GENNIN AT THE TIME.
And again your completely missed my last point was that even though the sharingan users can copy jutsu it doesnt matter because the byakugan user doesnt use jutsu and so they are left relying on jutsu they already know. All the premises I talk about lead to the fact that in a fight between a sharingan user and a byakugan user it will come down to taijutsu, which is the byakugan uesrs specialty.(that is ofcourse not counting MS or susano)
Huh sigh, Kakashi said "in terms of sight the Byuugan surpasses the Sharigan". He then goes on to talk about how he can't see the inner coils that connnect the chakra points. Seeing the inner coils is essiential for using the gentle fist style. It has nothing to do with sharigan users not training their eyes sights or vice versa. For all we know they don't see to train their eye sight to see chakra networks. When Obito first unlocked his sharigan he saw the chakra network of the ninja he was fighting perfectly. The only thing they train per se is to adjust to using the sharigan to their advantage and genjutsu.
Your last point still making no sense. Sharigan users use genjutsu, ninjutsu and tai. Byakugan users only use tai. Copying abilities is not their only way of fighting. I don't know where you came up with this assumption. If your opponent is a tai specialist why engage them in tai?