Ishida's Ability(349)

[Kisamekiller]

1) Yeah and then lost all his powers,it's actually a suicide move if there is anyone else near as an opponent lol. And that was a gay move by Kubo to let some uber-gay-Quincy move to defeat a non-injured captain's BANKAI (at full power) SO that doesnt count.. If he does it one more time( and i hope he does) then some fraccion's gonna pwn em hard)

2) Battle experience? which battle experience were u talking about ? Like 8 fights? Is it a batle experience? Ithink captains have got MUCH MORE battle experience which is just uncomparable with Ishida's if you want it this way...

Much appreciated by further showing the obviousness of my points

 

[shadowriku]

Broken record anyone? You've said the exact same things, time after time, yet each time they're countered and you keep on repeating them. Ichigo DOES still experience wear and tear effects. And yes, his hollow is included in that, along with the massive amounts of reiatsu included to just maintain it, he's almost exactly like Toshiro in the terms of time limit and inexperience, the only thing different is that he doesn't have pretty ice flowers to act as his countdown.

And yes, Byakuya did get hit BEFORE the hollow. However, none of the endures injuries were worth note, given the fact that he was able to shrug them off and keep fighting like it was nothing, while Ichigo just kept getting slower. THE ONLY POINT AT WHICH ICHIGO'S SPEED EXCEEDED BYAKUYA WAS WHEN HIS HOLLOW APPEARED AND GRIEVOUSLY INJURED BYAKUYA WITH A BLACK GETSUGA TENSHOU COUPLED WITH AN UPFRONT CHARGE. TWO THINGS THAT ARE FAR MORE POWERFUL WHEN HICHIGO IS IN CONTROL.

Got that right? Just gotta make sure. And feel free to keep hitting your head against the proverbial brick wall here, I won't ever crumble.

As for Mayuri, hell, you just made it easier. Indeed, he could make his poison an anti-freeze equivalent or raise the boiling point. However, that hardly gets rid of it. You say any decent scientist would know this? Well here's a fun thing for ice zanpakuto and a decent scientist.

Each presented Ice-type zanpakuto is able to freeze the moisture, gasses, and solid forms in an instant, without even a thousandth of a second delay. It just happens. As any scientist knows, that degree of freeze only occurs in a total vacuum, aka ABSOLUTE ZERO.

Now for fire types, you do realize, that to produce the massive amounts of flame that these zanpakuto have done so much that it would force rock to melt would place them at a few thousand degrees Fahrenheit right? Raise the boiling point all you want, you walk into the middle of the sun and you will go bye bye.

I do love that you disregarded the dispersal idea though, just shows that you're continuing to NOT pay attention to the actual message and points I'm presenting.

Now for Ishida vs Ulquiorra and his arrow. Have you observed the fighting style that is Ulquiorra? Everything he utilizes is to instill true despair in the heart of his opponent. In otherwords, its about a 100/1 chance that he deflected it for the simple point of instilling despair within Ishida. If I were in his boat I would have done the same, given that he deflected it with his wing, which would represent the most vulnerable part of his body. That's like taking a sharp sword to a piece of paper and the sword ends up bending. You have a major "WTF!?" moment.

Anymore easily shot down arguments or supposed points? Because I'm getting tired and will have to run for more coffee if you decide to keep up the mindless debate.

Byakuya GOT HIT. END OF DISCUSSION. If he could have dodged it, he would. He didn't. He's slower. PERIOD.
What proof do you have that theres any wear and tear, after that fight? He was turning into a hollow for chrisakes when he was fighting grimmjow so thats a terrible example.
Byakuya got hit-means he couldn't dodge it-he's not faster then his bankai.
I don't give a crap about becoming a vaizard because that has nothing to do with the point of BANKAI. Read it. You keep ignoring the fact that
If the only point that Ichigo was faster then byakuya was when he went hollow, then how did byakuya get hit in the @#*$%^ first place???? More then once?!
Regardless if he even used his mask it'd take 20 seconds anyway...you've been advocating how he only did better at that point anyway.

And woah Your using the same point you used against me...using what was stated eh? Toshiro's bankai incomplete? That was speculation made by luppi...to which Toshiro said nothing to. You have no proof in the world that his bankai will run out.

Man...were talking about an anime. With spritual particles and the like. You think Glycerin Ethanol even equates to this show? He's a damn mad scientist. Your using examples like heat of the sun... besides me never realizing you needed that much to melt a rock, (that probably isn't even a real rock) the only captain who even uses fire is the one who would rape anyone else ANYWAY.

Yeah that would happen in an instant...except no one in bleach can friggin do that. Where the HELL do you get off thinking that any of them could hit absolute zero when the characters break out of their attempted ice attacks like popsicle sticks? Besides the fact that this hasn't even been achieved in real life...

But sure, a scientist who can make a drug that will make a second feel like 100 years will let something like temperature stop him. Cause -273 Celsius would be so hard to counter for someone who can basically kill what can't be killed.

like i said dispersion...equals retreat...which equals either escape, or getting close and dying. Maybe you should read responses...maybe?

...who gave you the balls to decide the most vulnerable point of his body? Cuz i would think that would be...i dunno...his body itself??? maybe its just me...but i would think having an arrow bounce off of your chest is quite a bit more intimidating then breaking it with a giant black wing growing off your back.

Go get your mocha.

 

[Kisamekiller]

Byakuya GOT HIT. END OF DISCUSSION. If he could have dodged it, he would. He didn't. He's slower. PERIOD.
What proof do you have that theres any wear and tear, after that fight? He was turning into a hollow for chrisakes when he was fighting grimmjow so thats a terrible example.
Byakuya got hit-means he couldn't dodge it-he's not faster then his bankai.
I don't give a crap about becoming a vaizard because that has nothing to do with the point of BANKAI. Read it. You keep ignoring the fact that
If the only point that Ichigo was faster then byakuya was when he went hollow, then how did byakuya get hit in the @#*$%^ first place???? More then once?!
Regardless if he even used his mask it'd take 20 seconds anyway...you've been advocating how he only did better at that point anyway.

And woah Your using the same point you used against me...using what was stated eh? Toshiro's bankai incomplete? That was speculation made by luppi...to which Toshiro said nothing to. You have no proof in the world that his bankai will run out.

Man...were talking about an anime. With spritual particles and the like. You think Glycerin Ethanol even equates to this show? He's a damn mad scientist. Your using examples like heat of the sun... besides me never realizing you needed that much to melt a rock, (that probably isn't even a real rock) the only captain who even uses fire is the one who would rape anyone else ANYWAY.

Yeah that would happen in an instant...except no one in bleach can friggin do that. Where the HELL do you get off thinking that any of them could hit absolute zero when the characters break out of their attempted ice attacks like popsicle sticks? Besides the fact that this hasn't even been achieved in real life...

But sure, a scientist who can make a drug that will make a second feel like 100 years will let something like temperature stop him. Cause -273 Celsius would be so hard to counter for someone who can basically kill what can't be killed.

like i said dispersion...equals retreat...which equals either escape, or getting close and dying. Maybe you should read responses...maybe?

...who gave you the balls to decide the most vulnerable point of his body? Cuz i would think that would be...i dunno...his body itself??? maybe its just me...but i would think having an arrow bounce off of your chest is quite a bit more intimidating then breaking it with a giant black wing growing off your back.

Go get your mocha.

And so the shit slings. Predictable. Congratulations on making yourself a fool before the masses in your attempt of doing the same to me.

And...I've got to laugh at your "point" here a moment. Very enjoyable. So...absolute zero has not been done? You sure about that? Maybe you should look at a vacuum (no not a Hoover), a vacuum that steals away all heat and air. Sounds like.....outerspace?

And yes, it does freeze instantly, whether you like it or not. However, others being able to survive it (like the Espada) is simply put by Grimmjow. Rukia only managed to freeze a single layer of his skin, meaning that the first layer simply broke away as he forced himself to move again. Whereas characters like D-Roy were completely frozen through. This is just the benefit of uber Hierro.

And you can't say that the only being with a flame zanpakuto is Yamamoto. After all, we're talking about all of Soul Society and all of the Vizards. Its quite possible that there are many different flame bankai that would be capable of completely destroying the poisons Mayuri puts off.

And much to your dismay, the Grimmjow example is a prime one. Ichigo still experiences the debilitating effects of Bankai just like Toshiro. even more so due tot he massive amounts of reiatsu he wields. His body simply cannot hold bankai for an extended period of time when going at full force, it breaks his body, a fact we've seen many a time.

Indeed, Byakuya was hit, I said that, but apparently you ignored me. However, he was not able to be hit with a serious injury until Ichigo's hollow took over. Go back and look it over. Byakuya suffered no loss of motion, strength or speed until Ichigo's hollow popped out and tore him open. Byakuya remained faster in that he was still able to avoid all serious injury until Shirosaki took over.

And as for Ichigo doing better in hollow form I am in fact not advocating it. Seeing as how I've been saying that it was the hollow who accomplished it and not Ichigo. We've all seen how much more powerful Ichigo's hollow is in direct combat than Ichigo himself. So....you just got shot down there bud.

Now for Ulquiorra. Its not a matter of "balls" as you so eloquently put it, its simple observational duh. The wings he has consist of thin yet hard membrane, where the chest, arms, legs, ect would consist of a higher density of hierro, as we've already seen when ichigo hit Ulquiorra square in the chest with a melee Getsuga Tenshou and it simply game him a little scratch no bigger than four inches long. So swatting it away with a wing, a part of the body that would more than likely hold the least concentration of hierro, would be far more effective. But then again, I'm the common sense observational type, not the hot headed fanboy mentality that has been displayed.

So, I think that about covers everything.....yet again right? Oh and a heads up, I didn't get a Mocha, got a Frappachino, its warm out.

 

[shadowriku]

And so the shit slings. Predictable. Congratulations on making yourself a fool before the masses in your attempt of doing the same to me.

And...I've got to laugh at your "point" here a moment. Very enjoyable. So...absolute zero has not been done? You sure about that? Maybe you should look at a vacuum (no not a Hoover), a vacuum that steals away all heat and air. Sounds like.....outerspace?

And yes, it does freeze instantly, whether you like it or not. However, others being able to survive it (like the Espada) is simply put by Grimmjow. Rukia only managed to freeze a single layer of his skin, meaning that the first layer simply broke away as he forced himself to move again. Whereas characters like D-Roy were completely frozen through. This is just the benefit of uber Hierro.

And you can't say that the only being with a flame zanpakuto is Yamamoto. After all, we're talking about all of Soul Society and all of the Vizards. Its quite possible that there are many different flame bankai that would be capable of completely destroying the poisons Mayuri puts off.

And much to your dismay, the Grimmjow example is a prime one. Ichigo still experiences the debilitating effects of Bankai just like Toshiro. even more so due tot he massive amounts of reiatsu he wields. His body simply cannot hold bankai for an extended period of time when going at full force, it breaks his body, a fact we've seen many a time.

Indeed, Byakuya was hit, I said that, but apparently you ignored me. However, he was not able to be hit with a serious injury until Ichigo's hollow took over. Go back and look it over. Byakuya suffered no loss of motion, strength or speed until Ichigo's hollow popped out and tore him open. Byakuya remained faster in that he was still able to avoid all serious injury until Shirosaki took over.

And as for Ichigo doing better in hollow form I am in fact not advocating it. Seeing as how I've been saying that it was the hollow who accomplished it and not Ichigo. We've all seen how much more powerful Ichigo's hollow is in direct combat than Ichigo himself. So....you just got shot down there bud.

Now for Ulquiorra. Its not a matter of "balls" as you so eloquently put it, its simple observational duh. The wings he has consist of thin yet hard membrane, where the chest, arms, legs, ect would consist of a higher density of hierro, as we've already seen when ichigo hit Ulquiorra square in the chest with a melee Getsuga Tenshou and it simply game him a little scratch no bigger than four inches long. So swatting it away with a wing, a part of the body that would more than likely hold the least concentration of hierro, would be far more effective. But then again, I'm the common sense observational type, not the hot headed fanboy mentality that has been displayed.

So, I think that about covers everything.....yet again right? Oh and a heads up, I didn't get a Mocha, got a Frappachino, its warm out.

I'm sorry, i spent the past 5 days in a combination of uncontrollable laughter and pity at what you've come up with.
Did you just compare SPACE...with absolute zero? ...I can't even find words man like damn...i regret arguing with you honestly.
Absolute Zero has never, and very likely will never, been accomplished by human means. Absolute Zero exsists no where naturally. NO WHERE. The coldest thing every recorded naturally was a far off star, and it still wasn't absolute zero. If you don't understand why absolute zero is impossible in real life, i'm really not surprised.

Toshiro froze a numeros that popped out of it like nothing, who, 1/4th power or not, is stronger then rukia. Just adding some oil to the fire, as i already know damn well you don't know what the hell your talking about.

Indeed Byakuya was hit. Right there shut the f*** up. If getting hit and losing no speed, yet getting hit ONCE again,even if its a scratch, means your faster then the one you are fighting, when you haven't landed a single frigging hit, then welcome to Byakuya Fanboy world.

I can't even bother with this because your so full of fecal matter you'll come up with some excuse for Byakuya owning Ichigow/mask. And yes, this includes your "fact" that we've seen many a time of Ichigo's body breaking while using "only" his bankai.

Another testament to your intelligence. Pretell, who died and made you king of deciding what the hell another author's character's body is made of? By the way i made a mistake, he used his tail to break the arrow, which will magically become the weakest part of his body once you find your bi-focals and figure that out.

I'd love to say that you damn sure as hell have common sense, and thats ALL you have, but i sometimes i wonder.

Don't bother replying, i have no interest in arguing with someone who talks about things they aren't even educated on.

 

[Kisamekiller]

I'm sorry, i spent the past 5 days in a combination of uncontrollable laughter and pity at what you've come up with.
Did you just compare SPACE...with absolute zero? ...I can't even find words man like damn...i regret arguing with you honestly.
Absolute Zero has never, and very likely will never, been accomplished by human means. Absolute Zero exsists no where naturally. NO WHERE. The coldest thing every recorded naturally was a far off star, and it still wasn't absolute zero. If you don't understand why absolute zero is impossible in real life, i'm really not surprised.

Toshiro froze a numeros that popped out of it like nothing, who, 1/4th power or not, is stronger then rukia. Just adding some oil to the fire, as i already know damn well you don't know what the hell your talking about.

Indeed Byakuya was hit. Right there shut the f*** up. If getting hit and losing no speed, yet getting hit ONCE again,even if its a scratch, means your faster then the one you are fighting, when you haven't landed a single frigging hit, then welcome to Byakuya Fanboy world.

I can't even bother with this because your so full of fecal matter you'll come up with some excuse for Byakuya owning Ichigow/mask. And yes, this includes your "fact" that we've seen many a time of Ichigo's body breaking while using "only" his bankai.

Another testament to your intelligence. Pretell, who died and made you king of deciding what the hell another author's character's body is made of? By the way i made a mistake, he used his tail to break the arrow, which will magically become the weakest part of his body once you find your bi-focals and figure that out.

I'd love to say that you damn sure as hell have common sense, and thats ALL you have, but i sometimes i wonder.

Don't bother replying, i have no interest in arguing with someone who talks about things they aren't even educated on.

And here I had thought the sh!t had already started slinging. Guess I was wrong eh? Now, out of them all, so far this last one is certainly the funniest.

Insulting my intelligence? Why not look up artificial vacuums? I'm sure you'll find out some wonderful information about absolute zero there.

And, for a fun preview. In an artificial vacuum, all heat is removed (just like space) to the point that the atoms stop movement completely, immediately freezing.

Of course, somebody would ask the good question as to why space itself isn't a giant icecube. Well that it due tot he fact that there is are almost little to no present atoms in space, meaningt hat it is empty, aside from planets, rocks, moons, ect. But everything outside of a sun's heat radius is exposed to the absent of matter and heat that is space, aka, absolute zero. So, you may want to reevaluate your claims of me being uneducated on the manner. My expertise may not be science in that matter but I'm certainly educated enough to udnerstand and have a grasp on space and absolute zero. So be careful bud, you're only making yourself look foolish with the unwarranted insults and provocations.

And, pardon me if I don't respond in favor to the person who tells me to "shut the f**k up" because, I don't respond well to childish and overly boorish behavior.

Simply hitting an enemy when they've yet to utilize the full range of their abilities does not mean you are faster. After all, did we see Byakuya utilize his clones to fight Ichigo? No we didn't. Byakuya's fault was his act of hubris, his arrogance that proved his downfall in that fight.

I cannot say however, that if in hollow form Ichigo would win. Though, given his newest form in the series it may just happen. Due to the undeniably anti-climactic end.

After all, my view changes as new information is presented. But, prior to Ulqui vs Ichigo it is more than likely that Byakuya remained far quicker than Ichigo. After all, I've provided example upon example, you've simply shrugged them off and ignored the evidence, failing to recognize that the entire argument is circumstantial, as we don't know the full range of Byakuya or Ichigo's capabilities now, given that they've somehow both managed to pull new skills and powers out of nowhere.

And, as for Ulquiorra's weakest bodily part, common sense would dictate the assumption that his wing membrane would be the weakest part of his body. I never said that much was confirmed, you'd best learn to read the full message of the text before jumping to adolescent conclusions that do everything to prove your own foolish and childish sense of being.

After all, when have I provoked hostile act from yourself? I've merely presented evidence and facts, all of which you've shoved aside and attempted to throw insults in my face.

Now of course, I will be taking the high road. Because, I believe that flaming is against the rules of this forum, something you've just done in your last post. I'll be having on conversation with moderators. Don't assume though that this means I've abandoned my views or opinions, everything has been circumstantial in regards to your argument. You've insulted and thrown fits, I'm simply being the more mature individual by taking it up with those higher on the food chain than ourselves.

A tip, learn to put a filter on one's mouth before attempting to prove a nonexistent point. Otherwise you end up being the fool in the end.

Peace children