Prime Hiruzen Sarutobi Abilities!!! (Must Read)

[MickNerks]

KA /endthread

KA is a KKG, so he cant learn it.

If you were saying thats how danzo beats him....... Then your right.lol

 

[MickNerks]

At the same time, if about 30-odd chapters ago, I told you that Genma and Raido could use Hiraishin, I’d get flame and you’d tell me that only Minato could use it. However, Kishi decided to throw that in for the sake of plot convenience. And although Tobirama wasn’t exactly relevant when it was mentioned that he possessed a Space-Time Ninjutsu, my point was that we have no idea who can use what really; unless it’s a Kekkei Genkai. Also, Hiruzen possessing Tobirama’s Space-Time Ninjutsu could be possible if his arsenal of 1000 jutsu comes from the Scroll of Seals sealed by Hashirama.

And I’m not saying he can, but it’s entirely possible that he could have mastered the five elements. It takes years to master all five, and Hiruzen seemed diligent enough to take the time and learn. Also, it’d be dreadfully boring just to have 1000 Katon and Doton techniques.

Great point.. And to add on to what you said, kakashi is said to have 4 of the 5 chakra nature, so i dont see why its so difficult to believe that hiruzen has all 5 natures. Do people just think he was called the professor because he had gray hair??lol

 

[Omnipotent]

Are you slow???

I never said in this entire thread that hiruzen could use KKG. I've been saying that this entire time.

1. When you tell me what s/t technique tobirama can do, than ill tell you if hiruzen can do it or not. Oh wait, you cant because no1 knows other than tobirama and minato. Stop being a SMART @$$!!!

2. FTG was created after hiruzens prime. He was said to have mastered and learned all the jutsu in his prime. Therefore he wouldnt know FTG.

3. Here's your proof that he can use fuuton and raiton:

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If he can use all justu in the leaf, (which he hasnt denied) then he can use fuuton and raiton. His own son (asuma) knows "wind release - Dust cloud technique", so why would hiruzen be able to use it. Stop ignoring manga fact!!!! HE KNOWS ALL JUSTU IN THE LEAF.

Byakugou isn't a KKG -_-. Slow that down, man. And Hiruzen still can't use it.

No, you said every jutsu in Konoha. Why would Minato know and Hiruzen not? I mean, Tobirama was Hiruzen's sensei, NOT Minato's sensei. Exactly.

So Hiruzen lost his ability to learn jutsu?

Show me a scan where he uses either a fuuton or raiton jutsu. Because you obviously don't know what a hyperbole is.

At the same time, if about 30-odd chapters ago, I told you that Genma and Raido could use Hiraishin, I’d get flamed and you’d tell me that only Minato could use it. However, Kishi decided to throw that in for the sake of plot convenience. And although Tobirama wasn’t exactly relevant when it was mentioned that he possessed a Space-Time Ninjutsu, my point was that we have no idea who can use what really; unless it’s a Kekkei Genkai. Also, Hiruzen possessing Tobirama’s Space-Time Ninjutsu could be possible if his arsenal of 1000 jutsu comes from the Scroll of Seals sealed by Hashirama.

And I’m not saying he can, but it’s entirely possible that he could have mastered the five elements. It takes years to master all five, and Hiruzen seemed diligent enough to take the time and learn. Also, it’d be dreadfully boring just to have 1000 Katon and Doton techniques.

Wasn't it 3 of them that took to use FTG? It was kind of cool, actually, to see that Minato's not that high-up. If Hiruzen had S/T jutsu, why was he never stated to have it? If Minato knew of Tobirama possessing S/T, do you really think he wouldn't have known about Hiruzen? Furthermore, when Minato used an S/T barrier to move away Kurama's TBB, people immediately recognized it as him although Hiruzen was still 57, and up and running.

Does he have the natural affinity for it? Is it one of his nature types? Has he been shown using it EVER?! I'm pretty sure raiton would have aided him against Edo Tobirama. Unless you're saying he's an imbecile for not even knowing to use that to his advantage.

 

[Gokillerz]

knowing all the jutsus doesn't mean you can do it all...

 

[MickNerks]

Byakugou isn't a KKG -_-. Slow that down, man. And Hiruzen still can't use it.

What are you talking about.. The byakugan IS a KKG. oh wait.. Your talking about tsunades technique.lol Im talking about the byakugan.

The Byakugan (白眼; Literally meaning "White Eye", Meaning (Viz) "All Seeing White Eye") is the dōjutsu kekkei genkai of the Hyūga clan.

No, you said every jutsu in Konoha. Why would Minato know and Hiruzen not? I mean, Tobirama was Hiruzen's sensei, NOT Minato's sensei. Exactly.

Minato and tobirama dont know the same s/t jutsu. Where are you getting your info from. Please show me the manga page that says they have the same s/t jutsu.. Please go gather real facts then come back to argue with me. Nothing you are saying makes any sense.

So Hiruzen lost his ability to learn jutsu?

Please understand this.. All of hiruzens hype and legend comes from when he was in his prime. He took the time to learn and master all jutsu in the leaf while he was in his prime. No evidence in the manga suggest that he learned anything in his 60's. So until you bring proof that he did try to learn a technique past his prime then please stop trying to argue..

Show me a scan where he uses either a fuuton or raiton jutsu. Because you obviously don't know what a hyperbole is.

ok so since i dont know what a hyperbole is, please explain to me what they meant when they said that hiruzen knew and could use all the jutsu in the hidden leaf????

 

[Omnipotent]

What are you talking about.. The byakugon IS a KKG.

The Byakugan (白眼; Literally meaning "White Eye", Meaning (Viz) "All Seeing White Eye") is the dōjutsu kekkei genkai of the Hyūga clan.



Minato and tobirama dont know the same s/t jutsu. Where are you getting your info from. Please show me the manga page that says they have the same s/t jutsu.. Please go gather real facts then come back to argue with me. Nothing you are saying makes any sense.



Please understand this.. All of hiruzens hype and legend comes from when he was in his prime. He took the time to learn and master all jutsu in the leaf while he was in his prime. No evidence in the manga suggest that he learned anything in his 60's. So until you bring proof that he did try to learn a technique past his prime then please stop trying to argue..


ok so since i dont know what a hyperbole is, please explain to me what they meant when they said that hiruzen knew and could use all the jutsu in the hidden leaf????

The hell?! Copy and paste, again?

BYAKUGOU:

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Which is NOT a KKG, which Hiruzen can NOT use.

I said that Minato knew of Tobirama's S/T jutsu, so it's only logical that Hiruzen knew of his S/T jutsu as well. Which by your logic (knowing something = knowing how to do something) means he knows how to use Tobirama's S/T as well. It doesn't make sense to you because you can't comprehend.

Yet again, Orochimaru's use of hyperbole.

Once again, show me a scan where he uses either fuuton or raiton jutsu. I'm waiting. A hyperbole is exaggeration to the extremity.

You don't know the difference between Byakugou and Byakugan, man.

 

[MickNerks]

Byakogou is Tsunade's healing technique that Madara compared to Hashirama's technique.

A hyperbole is an exagerration. If someone runs really fast, and his friend says that that person "runs at the speed of light", that's hyperbolic.

1. I think he knows what im talking about. byakugan the dojutsu.

2. I know what a hyperbole is.lol I want to know what part of "said to have learned and can use all jutsu in the leaf", he though was being exagerated. It sounded like a statement to me.

 

[MickNerks]

The hell?! Copy and paste, again?

BYAKUGOU:

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Which is NOT a KKG, which Hiruzen can NOT use.

OMG, i misspelled it by forgetting one letter and you try to make me look stupid.smh i spelled byakugon instead of byukagan and you thought i was talking about tsunades technique which ends with a "U".. lets be serious, are you trolling me??

I said that Minato knew of Tobirama's S/T jutsu, so it's only logical that Hiruzen knew of his S/T jutsu as well. Which by your logic (knowing something = knowing how to do something) means he knows how to use Tobirama's S/T as well. It doesn't make sense to you because you can't comprehend.

i never said that if you know something you know how to do it. Orochimaru said that he "learned and could use" which means he knew of them and could use them. Those are not my words, there orochimaru's. But you do make a point, if minato knew about it the hiruzen should know about it to. But we dont know if he knows about it or not. He could know how to do it as well.

We didnt learn tobirama could use s/t till part 2, so obviously kishi didnt decide to give him the ability yet.

Once again, show me a scan where he uses either fuuton or raiton jutsu. I'm waiting. A hyperbole is exaggeration to the extremity.

I cant show you a scan because we have never seen him use it. But you cant show me a scan that condradicts the information given in the manga about him knowing all jutsu which would mean he knows all elements.. That just like you can show me a scan that shows that hashirama can heal himself without handsigns, yet because madara stated it you believe it.

You don't know the difference between Byakugou and Byakugan, man.

yes i do. I spelled it right except i put a O instead of A. You know what i meant.

 

[saar0507]

maby he had sharingan too... -_-

 

[QuiteHung]

god of shinobi.......nuff said

 

[Meekz89]

Kakashi stated that he couldn't do Gentle Fist in combat. He didn't say it was impossible to perform it. Byakugan makes it easy to pinpoint the chakra points. With a butt load of practice, one can eventually learn the placements of the chakra points

 

[Blaze Release]

I have so much respect for this guy! R e p

Just wondering seeing how hashirama was hokage and all ? Could he know 1000+ jutsu I mean he was sorta the leader of a clan that were good in every form of combat

Not starting anything just a question

Yes its possible likely that Hashirama was vastly knowledgeable and mastered all forms of art, if he was to the leader of such a clan he has to be, same can be said for Hiruzen. Hiruzen's score of 5 for all 3 forms of ninja art is a demonstration of the knowledge he gained from the head and vice head of the senju clan

But Blaze, with all due respect, should he theoretically be able to use Hiden techniques? The information we have on them states:

Yes hiden techniques can be learnt outside the clan, however that isn't how they work. Hidden techniques are techniques passed down within a clan and not outside it

All Konoha jutsus include every single jutsu used by a Shinobi of the village, Hashirama's mokuton, Minato's FTG, Tobirama's edo and S/T jutsu.

Too bad that is all false.

Also, in the databook scan you showed, it said only the Hokage and other few shinobis can use the Kage bunshin correctly.. But DUE TO THAT, the shodaime sealed it. ;]. Soo, it was sealed before Hiruzen. Unless your saying Hiruzen went on to study the forbidden jutsus. ;x.

Ow its kingHashirama, actually thought if i should bypass you .
Again ive eplained what these konoha jutsu's are. Yes the scroll was sealed however it was left to the next generation of hokage's and its in the hokage room that naruto stole it from. You claim they are forbidden techniques?. Its the scroll of seals, which could contain very powerful fuinjutsu's and that is why hiruzen was particularly worried the nine tails. Also seem to forget that forbidden technique's are not nessarily 'evil' technique's. Forbidden techniques can range from evil techniques, to double edged techniques like hachimon or the mass clone technique. Btw going by how the manga categorises kinjutsu's, shiki fujin would be labelled a kinjutsu and both Hiruzen and Minato knew how to demonstrate them

 

[KingHashirama]

Ow its kingHashirama, actually thought if i should bypass you .
Again ive eplained what these konoha jutsu's are. Yes the scroll was sealed however it was left to the next generation of hokage's and its in the hokage room that naruto stole it from. You claim they are forbidden techniques?. Its the scroll of seals, which could contain very powerful fuinjutsu's and that is why hiruzen was particularly worried the nine tails. Also seem to forget that forbidden technique's are not nessarily 'evil' technique's. Forbidden techniques can range from evil techniques, to double edged techniques like hachimon or the mass clone technique. Btw going by how the manga categorises kinjutsu's, shiki fujin would be labelled a kinjutsu and both Hiruzen and Minato knew how to demonstrate them

You've explained them according to you. But SCROLL OF SEALS = Forbidden techs. And also, "it was left for the next generation of Hokages".. uh no. The jutsus inside that scroll are forbidden no matter who you are. Now going by how it is stated in the Databook, you cannot assume the scroll jutsus were left for other Hokages to use. And also, Hokage's place is the safest place... lol.

Never called "Forbidden techniques" evil. But dangerous.

 

[Blaze Release]

You've explained them according to you. But SCROLL OF SEALS = Forbidden techs. And also, "it was left for the next generation of Hokages".. uh no. The jutsus inside that scroll are forbidden no matter who you are. Now going by how it is stated in the Databook, you cannot assume the scroll jutsus were left for other Hokages to use. And also, Hokage's place is the safest place... lol.

Never called "Forbidden techniques" evil. But dangerous.

Again to be forbidden doesn't have to be 'evil' but rather double edged. It was kept in the hokage's room and going by his reactions when he found that naruto stole it, he was worried possible because he knew what they contain.


OP in the end the people i thought would come to your aid didn't. Damn Hiruzen fans, you flee in the midst of the enemy .

On a more serious note, ill show you guys two things. Every village, has techniques that are trademark to that village. Ill repeat. Every village has techniques that are trademark to that village. The next two techniques im about to show you are trademark techniques of konoha, before somebody tries and pick me off saying kurenai/Gekkou do not have access to these scrolls to learn the technique's, it doesn't necessarily have to be only in the scrolls

First is Kurenai's Magen Jubaku Satsu.

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GENJUTSU; Magen: Jubaku Satsu (Genjutsu; Demonic Illusion: Woodbound Assassination)
User: Yuuhi Kurenai
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: B

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One of the genjutsu that have been passed along since ancient times in Konoha. One is completely robbed of their mobility as they see the mirage of a tree coiling itself around them! Given that the subject remains conscious, this jutsu proves extremely efficient for information-gathering.

Second 2, p 275

"One of the genjutsu that have been passed along since the ancient times of konoha"

Another example is Gekkou Hayate's, Mikazuki no Mai [

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Leaf-Style Dance of the Crescent Moon= Konoha-Ryū Mikazuki no Mai

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NINJUTSU; Mikazuki no Mai (Triple Dance of the Crescent Moon*)
User: Gekkou Hayate
Offensive; Close range; Rank: A

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The caster Kage Bunshins into three individuals, and each one of them assaults the enemy from a blind spot! The attack occurs on three fronts simultaneously, so it's almost impossible to catch them flat-footed. Furthermore, the mighty attacks are so severe that receiving a blow even from one among the three will inevitably result in a fatal wound. In addition, because of the magnificence this ninjutsu projects as they jump at the opponent's upper body in an orbital pattern, the elegance of which is reminiscent of the shape of a new moon, it is referred to with the brand name "Triple Dance of the Crescent Moon".

Databook 1, p 223

 

[ReZ]

what orochimaru said isnt 100%sure.we dont know whether hiruzen could use the secret clan techniques at all....we just know that he could use all regular techniques in konoha...

This.

 

[PureSkillz]

Knowing all the techniques in the leaf =/= being able to perform them.

 

[JasonSamuel]

Kid you need to relax, your just making assumptions you want to believe,this is manga and the author can make anyone the strongest,reminds me of the old argument of bats and supes,,

So chill mate,leave your room and hang out with friends before you get depressed

 

[Phoenix110]

I think the manga says hiruzen could use all jutsus in the leaf but i got nothing to say

 

[ady adham]

nice thread dude....
but idont think so hiruzen can use insect technique...

 

[narmeiter]

one of the greatest definitely. Can't say that he can beat every hokage one on one.