The real truth about the Sage's Sons and the 6 Paths! (Logic)

[Enigmatic Knight]

Quite an interesting theory....

 

[ImNoOne]

I never thought about the younger son, having been the older and the older the younger.
Its an interesting thought.
The Senju their way of ruling is for quite a large bit based on power indeed (whole ninja village system, bijou power balance etc.), but that would make the whole will of fire a fat lie right? That seems to be pushing it a bit.
The uchiha and love, i dunno. Sasuke has always searched for power and he tryed to break all bonds of love.
If you want to see the senju as the ones that rule with love, you can (dependable on from which perspective you look) and if you wan to see the uchiha to be the ones that rule with power you can as well and the other way around for both.
I am not sure about this part.

Sage is?
So from where do you believe the sage came from?
From the Uzumaki clan? From some unknown group/clan?
A god like figure before he sealed the Juubi inside him?
Something else?

I know that's the most feeble point in my theory and it's actually a bit dislocated from the rest of the content. I was almost going to exclude it from my post but you yourself admit that it's a bit itchy. For a Clan who's trait is to believe Love is the Key to peace, the Sunju have shown little of consistency and have contributed to the implement of Power as Peace regulator far more than any other clan, including the Uchiha. So I had to go with my gut and include it here.

About the Sage....
That is a mystery, I've been researching and re-reading some old mangas in order to find any clue on this matter. But I must admit that I have yet to find anything that turns a theory into something reliable rather than just pure speculation. But I'll be sure to make a thread if I come across ith anything relevant.

Much respect on the thread. rep. The only thing i disagree with is the notion that the elder son is actually the younger son...maybe i misread it.. but among the points that u made the one that i feel is the most CRUCIAL to the plotline of future arcs, and that is the Six Paths manifested in people (such as Madara and Hashirama) and also this:

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Senju, Uchiha, Uzumaki, Hyuuga are the prime candidates for these six paths manifestations. I made a post a few days ago and one of the tenets it contains is the possibility of Rikudou Sennins wife being Hyuuga.

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I feel as if the reason why Orochimaru is the ultimate villain in the series is because the intel he has regarding these six paths and this is the reason why he constructed such extensive research and held so many subjects hostage.

Great theory.

Perhaps that is why Orochimaru wasn't interested on Nagato. Maybe it wasn't fear of Nagato but more like he dind't need Nagato, he already had his Uzumaki. What he didn't had was an Uchiha.
Maybe Orochimaru had all the other 5 Paths and all that was lacking was an Uchiha.

It's very plausible indeed.

 

[razinzell]

Nice theory I have no idea how you linked that all together.

Here are the different realms or paths of Buddhism. These descriptions come from Wikipedia so they might not be 100% accurate

Deva - The Deva realm is sometimes also referred to as the gods' realm, because its inhabitants are so powerful within their own realm...However, while the Devas may be referred to as gods, they are not immortal, omniscient, nor omnipotent...

I beleive the Senju would be this path, I would say that its a combination of Senju + Uchiha but the next description fits the Uchiha perfectly.

Asura - The Asura realm is the realm of the demigods. They are here because of actions based on jealousy, struggle, combat or rationalization of the world. They may be here because in human form they had good intentions but committed bad actions such as harming others

That sounds like Uchiha to me, good intentions but bad actions.

Human - The Human realm is based on passion, desire, doubt, and pride.
Buddhists see this realm as human existence

I think this could be the Uzumaki

Animal - The Animal realm is based on strong mental states of stupidity and prejudice cultivated in a previous life or lives.

Probably the Aburame or Inuzuka because of the animals.

Preta - The Hungry Ghost realm (also known as the Preta realm) is a rebirth based on strong possessiveness and desire which were cultivated in a previous life or lives. They are constantly extremely hungry and thirsty, but they cannot satisfy these needs.

Based on what pains preta path does (absorbs) I think it could be the Hoshigake or Juugo's clan.

Naraka - The Naraka realm, or "hell realm" is a rebirth based on strong states of hatred cultivated in a previous life or lives.

The only one i can think of is Kimimaros clan the Kayuga. But based on Naraka paths abilities (taking souls out of bodies) maybe it has something to do with the Yamanaka or Dan Kato's clan.

 

[ImNoOne]

Nice theory I have no idea how you linked that all together.

Here are the different realms or paths of Buddhism. These descriptions come from Wikipedia so they might not be 100% accurate

Deva - The Deva realm is sometimes also referred to as the gods' realm, because its inhabitants are so powerful within their own realm...However, while the Devas may be referred to as gods, they are not immortal, omniscient, nor omnipotent...

I beleive the Senju would be this path, I would say that its a combination of Senju + Uchiha but the next description fits the Uchiha perfectly.

Asura - The Asura realm is the realm of the demigods. They are here because of actions based on jealousy, struggle, combat or rationalization of the world. They may be here because in human form they had good intentions but committed bad actions such as harming others

That sounds like Uchiha to me, good intentions but bad actions.

Human - The Human realm is based on passion, desire, doubt, and pride.
Buddhists see this realm as human existence

I think this could be the Uzumaki

Animal - The Animal realm is based on strong mental states of stupidity and prejudice cultivated in a previous life or lives.

Probably the Aburame or Inuzuka because of the animals.

Preta - The Hungry Ghost realm (also known as the Preta realm) is a rebirth based on strong possessiveness and desire which were cultivated in a previous life or lives. They are constantly extremely hungry and thirsty, but they cannot satisfy these needs.

Based on what pains preta path does (absorbs) I think it could be the Hoshigake or Juugo's clan.

Naraka - The Naraka realm, or "hell realm" is a rebirth based on strong states of hatred cultivated in a previous life or lives.

The only one i can think of is Kimimaros clan the Kayuga. But based on Naraka paths abilities (taking souls out of bodies) maybe it has something to do with the Yamanaka or Dan Kato's clan.

Nice, that's an alternative way to look at things!

 

[Meowazziel]

What if Oro had all the paths, if the paths are:

Senju clan (Oro had Hashi dna in his posession).
Uchiha clan (he was trying to take Sasuke his body and failed to get Itachi).
Uzumaki clan (he had Karin).
Kaguya clan (he had Kimimaro).
Juugo clan (Has the same name as his clan >_<, Oro used Juugo for the curse seal system).
and the Hyuuga clan. (That hyuuga that lost to Ao... maybe Oro was involved as well. One eye to Ao and maybe Oro got his hands on one as well).

Oro would have everything.

 

[uchiahjay]

+ rep, not for effort, but for not been a delusional fanboy, but wait, are you saying hashi was a power hungry decietful leader? Cause if you are, you'r not far from the truth. And the six paths thing was really intresting, i dont know about everyone else, but i had no idea about such a possibility, i always thought the six paths lied within uchiha and senju

 

[ImNoOne]

That would explain why Orochimaru was so obsessed with getting a sharingan even when he obviously had seen a Rinnegan on Pain's eyes on Akatsuki meetings.
The info Kabuto had on Madara further proves this theory. Probably to attain the perfect Rinnegan you need all the Paths and having just a few might lead to an incomplete version. But you might need to have an Uchiha body in order to awaken the Rinnegan. Hence why DNA from Madara, which obviously Orochimaru had wouldn't do for him. He had to have Sasuke's body for himself.

Also maybe Orochimaru didn't knew all the paths, he might have narrow it down to a few Clans but more than 6. That's the whole thing with the flask with blood samples Kabuto injected in himself.
Kabuto might have been the one who injected it but Orochimaru was the one who made it, or at least the bigger part of it.

I also think that Orochimaru had already started to assimilate parts of other clans. His technique that Sasuke uses to escape Amaterasu has an extreme resemblace to Suigetsu's ability and the way Orochimaru transforms into snakes has Juugo written all over it.

More and more I'm starting to believe Orochimaru is the true and last villain in this story.

 

[Meowazziel]

More and more I'm starting to believe Orochimaru is the true and last villain in this story.

I hope so. Oro is a really interesting character. I would like to know a bit more of his background. Not just ''parents died, became obsessed with forbidden jutsu''.
A flashback of his youth, similar to a flashback Kabuto had, would be welcome. Showing how he turned into the man he is today.

Btw I need to smile everytime I see your sig .
Madara freaking out up to his hair falling out and Obito standing there stubbornly like a boss xd.

 

[ImNoOne]

I hope so. Oro is a really interesting character. I would like to know a bit more of his background. Not just ''parents died, became obsessed with forbidden jutsu''.
A flashback of his youth, similar to a flashback Kabuto had, would be welcome. Showing how he turned into the man he is today.

Btw I need to smile everytime I see your sig .
Madara freaking out up to his hair falling out and Obito standing there stubbornly like a boss xd.

Yeah I was hopping to see that when they finally Kill Orochimaru, like Kishi does when he kills any interesting character... but then I remembered..

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And also...

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PS: This is also why I think Shikaku and the rest of HQ will still be alive when they are no longer needed. We didn't get any flash backs.. Or wishes from the parents to their children, nor them entrusting them the future and stuff like that.

 

[jiraiya the toad sage]

great theory, i liked the part about the brothers being misplaced as evil and the younger being the older one plus rep

 

[Griffith]

Yo you just inspired me to make this thread. Lmk what you think

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[ImNoOne]

Yo you just inspired me to make this thread. Lmk what you think

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Read it. Interesting theory I'm glad this was actually of some help to inspire good threads. I'm tired of reading the old same things every day and pointless arguments about who's deek is bigger. If this thread inspires people to escape that routine then I'll be happy

 

[System001]

Nice theory. Though I always figured that Uchiha and Senju were only two of the 6 paths.

The way I see it is that there's three times of energy that we've been informed about.
Physical = Senju
Spiritual = Uchiha
Natural = Juugo's clan (This is what SM user manipulate)
We've been informed that chakra is a combination of the both Spiritual and Physical Energies.
Chakra = Uzumaki.
We know that Chakra + Natural = Somewhat Akin to Juugo's clan. As it's been explained by Kabutops in some of the recent chapters.
So that means there's two other possible combinations. Natural + Spiritual and Physical + Spiritual
My guess is Natural + Spiritual = Rinnengan. However we know that to call upon Nature energy and balance it out properly, you have to have a decent amount of chakra as explained by Ma and Pa. So it'd be much, much easier for a Uzumaki to utilize the Rinnengan than a Uchiha. As Uzumaki = Spiritual + Physical.
That's my opinion of it anyway lol.

 

[Disquiet]

This is a great theory, probably even true. *****

 

[ImNoOne]

Nice theory. Though I always figured that Uchiha and Senju were only two of the 6 paths.

The way I see it is that there's three times of energy that we've been informed about.
Physical = Senju
Spiritual = Uchiha
Natural = Juugo's clan (This is what SM user manipulate)
We've been informed that chakra is a combination of the both Spiritual and Physical Energies.
Chakra = Uzumaki.
We know that Chakra + Natural = Somewhat Akin to Juugo's clan. As it's been explained by Kabutops in some of the recent chapters.
So that means there's two other possible combinations. Natural + Spiritual and Physical + Spiritual
My guess is Natural + Spiritual = Rinnengan. However we know that to call upon Nature energy and balance it out properly, you have to have a decent amount of chakra as explained by Ma and Pa. So it'd be much, much easier for a Uzumaki to utilize the Rinnengan than a Uchiha. As Uzumaki = Spiritual + Physical.
That's my opinion of it anyway lol.

That's a good analysis, and could partially explain even further why was Nagato chosen and why he could learn all that so fast.

 

[Caliburn]

The problem with the earliest history of the Senju, Uchiha and the SO6P is that we don't know much about those times. Pretty much everything surrounding it is quite foggy and as a result can be interpreted in a lot of ways. However even taking that into consideration you are questioning a few things which shouldn't really be bothered with and assume other stuff that shouldn't be assumed so easily.

This is long but it's worth reading, I tried to break it as much as I could so please do not give up half way through!

So I was wondering...

What do we know for a fact that can be reliable on?

1st - The Sage had two sons.

2nd - One was born with the eyes of the sage and his powerful chakra, the Elder, the other was born with the sage's body and physical life force, the Younger.

3rd - The Elder brother gave birth to the Uchiha and their powerful chakra and Sharingan. The Younger brother gave birth to the Senju and their large amount of chakra and strong bodies.

These are facts!...

Or are they?

Let's deconstruct these facts form the bottom up, and analyse them with the info given to us by the very same person who was the source to all we know of the two brothers.

As the last is always the first let's start with the third and the second.

The Juubi and his Jinchuriki:
The Sage in order to control the Juubi had to seal the beast inside of himself, therefore becoming (supposedly as this was never actually confirmed) the very first Jinchuriki.

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Later, when he was older, the sage divided the Juubi's chakra into Nine newly created forms. That little resemblance had with the Juubi. But his form was like the scan below shows:

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If we pay attention we will see that the tomoes that compose the famous Sharingans are displayed in the Juubi's eye.

So far so good, but then it get's tricky...
The Sage sealed the Juubi inside himself, and we can assume that just like the later Jinchurikis, chakra from the sealed beast must have leaked into the Sage's own chakra. Giving him physical treats of the beast. These treats are thought to have been passed down to one of his sons, hence why later on the Uchiha's ended up with a dojutso that was extremely similar to the Juubi's eye.
Yet as one son received these treats inevitably passed down by the Juubi via the Sage, the other seem to have been untouched by the Juubi's influence.

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This would represent no problem unless!... Gods be good!! it was the older son that was affected and the younger that born untethered. What an odd thing to happen, did the Sage unsealed the Juubi from within himself between the birth of the two brothers? But that's impossible! He only did that when he was very old and close to his death!

The answer is simple, the so called Younger brother is actually the Elder brother! Hence why Hashirama wanted to enforce the Hidden Villages System which relayed on Power to maintain the peace, as of Madara he wants to create a world where there is no war, no suffer only love, where everybody is a winner and no one needs leaders and is free to be happy.

There was an error in the story Tobi/Obito told us, the two brothers were misplaced. Probably the Elder brother (Father to the Senju) tried to hide the truth by twisting the answers and hence taking the title of heir to the Sage of Six Paths to himself. And the Younger brother (Father to the Uchiha) was labelled as a Hater and an enemy of peace. The resemblance of his eyes with the eyes of the Juubi probably took a big role on making the people believing the Elder brother, as they maybe still remember the sight of the Juubi and mistrusted the eyes of the Younger brother.

Now with that clear let's move on to the final and first point.

We know that this Younger and Elder brother were sons of the Sage, but why do we say they are the sons of the Sage? Why would ther only be two? In fact Tobi/Obito hints that this is not the case at all.

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Here he says that the Senju and the Uchiha were once one and the same, and that the Sage was the two boodlines in one. But unlike many here in the base like to state as a dogma, Tobi/Obito does not state that Senju and Uchiha in a single blood line were all that the Sage was.

He actually implies quite otherwise that Senju and Uchiha (Elder and Younger) merely and only part of what the Sage was. The two clans are only two of the 6! Each clan a Path, the Senju and the Uchiha are two of the Paths.
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This means that the Sage had more sons, sons who must have inherited some of the Sage's prodigeous powers and probably some of the Juubi's too. Sons that could have had treats from both the Elder and Younger or even different ones. One of these 6 sons must have been the Father (or Mother) to the Uzumaki.

With the life force of the Senju and the ability to control the Rinnegan, it's a mix without being neither!

So this is my theory about the sons of the Sage, the 6 Paths!

First and for all by this all you need to ask yourself the question where did all the info about the SO6P and his sons actually come from? I mean when Tobi explained the story to the kage's they didn't even know about the Juubi and the SO6P was considered nothing more than a legend. But where did he get his info from then? That info originates from the Uchiha tablet and we can be fairly certain that Madara Uchiha read it up to EMS, potentially up to Rinnegan (though the latter is still doubtful). Tobi might have read it up to MS, but if not Madara could have just told him everything that was on it. Of course Tobi has lied quite a few times and Madara isn't so trustworthy either, however the best lies are still the ones that contain truth as otherwise Tobi would have never gotten so far.

What you are overall saying is diverting way too much of what we know as even considering that we might not be very knowledgeable about the details, I think we can still take the general lines as truth as when you start mixing those up, then we have no foundation at all about the origin of it all. Yes you can say Tobi lied often and that the S06P might have lied when he made that tablet (assuming he supposedly made it) or that Madara wasn't able to read all of it, however if that was the case then the tablet is in fact useless as what you say is turning everything it said upside down and thus might as well have never been made or mentioned.

In the first part of your theory you made two huge assumptions that actually have no basis to be assumed so easily. First and for all if you say that the Sharingan is the result of the Juubi, then you also pretty much say the Rinnegan is the result of the Juubi. I mean it has been confirmed that the Rinnegan got 'downgraded' to a Sharingan and that from the Sharingan you can 'evolve' back into the rinnegan. It's a bit illogical to say that the Sharingan is from the influence of the Juubi, but not the Rinnegan. A lot of people have been saying that the SO6P had the Rinnegan from the Juubi, but even though there is possibly a connection, if the Sage got the Rinnegan from the Juubi, then what kind of sorcery did he use to actually seal the Juubi? Till now all the Rinnegan users gained their abilities due to the Rinnegan. If the Sage got his Rinnegan from the Juubi, how did he seal him then? Especially when it was said that the elder brother got the eyes of the Sage. If he got the eyes of the Juubi, then what did he got of the Sage? An edited, lesser version of the Rinnegan? Seems kinda weird.

Even assuming then that the Sharingan would have been influenced by the Juubi and that the Sage had the Rinnegan not from the Juubi, your 2nd important assumption is that you say that the 2nd son had no influence of the Juubi. That's a crucial detail for what you said after as if that son would have been influenced, then who is the older son and who is the younger in what you explained after it actually looses all its foundation. The younger was said to have gotten the body. Then what did you expect then? A bunch of Chuck Norrises? That they have 10 tails? Senju and Uzumaki have been standing out due to their variety of abilities, so it's extremely difficult, in fact almost impossible to say that there wasn't a potential influence. You just based that on the notion that it should be clearly noticeable like a doujutsu. So saying that there wasn't an influence on the younger son is a mistake on your part and if you take that away everything you said about who is the elder and who is the younger looses all foundation. Then it's nothing more than a wild guess. There isn't a direct reason to assume there was a Juubi influence on all brothers, but there isn't one either to assume there wasn't.

Btw you explained that part not very well as first I really did not get what you were trying to say. Eventually I assumed you must have meant that one of his children got born before he sealed the Juubi and the other one after and that the one who was after, meaning the younger one, was the only one influenced and because that were the Uchiha, it means that the Uchiha were descendants of the younger brother. You really should have explained that.

What came after that in the middle part is an extremely subjective way of viewing things just to fit what you said before. I mean you make it look like Madara is peaceloving and Hashirama warmongering. What? It was Hashirama who came with a peace proposal, not Madara. Madara was still part of the Leaf for a while, but it was clearly shown in Oonoki's flashback that he went against Hashirama's wishes and wanted to dominate the Stone village. Madara acted like quite the sadist in the fights we have seen, he considered the Kyuubi nothing more than a tool and above all he is trying to force the entire world into a genjutsu which he can dominate at will. A higher form of power abuse does not exist, completely conform with the current image we have of the elder brothers notion of 'peace through power' and then you brush that all under the table?

The part that came after that had zero foundation whatsoever, that was just guessing. I mean for starters why would your theoretically elder brother want to change who was in fact the elder and who the younger brother? Especially when you consider that it are the Uchiha who have the history recorded on a tablet that can only be read by doujutsu users. That they would have been stigmatized by their eyes is every doubtful too as the Sage was considered a hero/god and his eyes resembled the Juubi's eyes too.

Then what you call the final point you shouldn't even bother with as you contradicted yourself there completely. First you are talking about the younger brother being the elder and vice versa, that one was born before the Juubi got sealed and another after and then you start talking about him having 6 children. Then you pretty much messed up everything you said about older and younger brother and being sealed before or after. Then neither make any sense anymore. Tobi is not necessarily implying anything, you are implying that he is implying something.

The last page you posted about Tobi saying he is two paths of the 6, that's something that has been overly discussed whether that was a correct translation or not. I checked a few different translations and yes that same sentence has also been translated in a different way, namely that Tobi said he was now the real 2nd SO6P, which is very different than saying he is the 2nd of 6 paths and following the context the first makes more sense than the latter. Those scenes are very controversial and thus making them not really solid arguments.

Even assuming he would have said the first version, then what are all the other paths then? 4 other clans? As said before then you just threw away all the stuff about younger and elder brothers and being born before and after the Juubi got sealed. Also it doesn't instantly mean those other paths are clans. But above all it would make absolutely no sense when you would look at the manga. Currently Madara and Obito have revived the Juubi, have taken control of it and are planning to use Infinite Tsukuyomi from the moment the alliance is beaten. Currently following your logic they barely have half of the paths, so how could they then possibly almost have succeeded in their plot?

Conclusion:

I give you kudos for trying to make such a theory. It probably beats over 90% of all the other threads on NB, which often only carry the name of being a 'theory' because of lack of any other word that does not have an insulting or derogatory meaning. Nonetheless IMO most of it can be discarded.

The first part contradicts the last part. First you start talking about two sons, who is the elder and who the younger and who got born before and after the sealing and then in the last part you start talking about having 6 children and 6 clans. How does that even rhyme?

In the first part you also way to easily assume stuff on the crucial details. You assume to easily that the Sharingan comes from the Juubi and above all to easily that the 2nd son had no influence of the Juubi at all.

The middle part had no foundation at all. You just interpreted and wrote everything there to fit your theory. I mean the parts about Hashirama and Madara are really messed up and the part of the older brother trying to cover everything up and the younger one being stigmatized because of his eyes has zero basis and is just wild guessing.

But there is one thing above all that pretty much can invalidate most of what you just said and that is simply the flow of the manga. From chapter one the dualism was present: Sasuke - Naruto, Madara - Hashirama, Uchiha - Senju, Darkness/hate - Will of Fire, Yin - Yang. All of that has been building up for 600 chapters. Most of what you just said would completely rape and destroy everything that was at the core of those 600 chapters. I mean it's like saying oops, sorry Senju and Uchiha, in fact there are a total of 6 clans that are important, I was just trolling you for 600 chapters. Sorry Sasuke, you are in fact the one that's supposed to be considerate and you Naruto are the one that is supposed to rule with power. What you are doing is flipping everything upside down and then toss it around.

Nice effort in making the theory, but IMO most of it can be discarded.

 

[Piratefish]

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This is long but it's worth reading, I tried to break it as much as I could so please do not give up half way through!

So I was wondering...

What do we know for a fact that can be reliable on?

1st - The Sage had two sons.

2nd - One was born with the eyes of the sage and his powerful chakra, the Elder, the other was born with the sage's body and physical life force, the Younger.

3rd - The Elder brother gave birth to the Uchiha and their powerful chakra and Sharingan. The Younger brother gave birth to the Senju and their large amount of chakra and strong bodies.

These are facts!...

Or are they?

Let's deconstruct these facts form the bottom up, and analyse them with the info given to us by the very same person who was the source to all we know of the two brothers.

As the last is always the first let's start with the third and the second.

The Juubi and his Jinchuriki:
The Sage in order to control the Juubi had to seal the beast inside of himself, therefore becoming (supposedly as this was never actually confirmed) the very first Jinchuriki.

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Later, when he was older, the sage divided the Juubi's chakra into Nine newly created forms. That little resemblance had with the Juubi. But his form was like the scan below shows:

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If we pay attention we will see that the tomoes that compose the famous Sharingans are displayed in the Juubi's eye.

So far so good, but then it get's tricky...
The Sage sealed the Juubi inside himself, and we can assume that just like the later Jinchurikis, chakra from the sealed beast must have leaked into the Sage's own chakra. Giving him physical treats of the beast. These treats are thought to have been passed down to one of his sons, hence why later on the Uchiha's ended up with a dojutso that was extremely similar to the Juubi's eye.
Yet as one son received these treats inevitably passed down by the Juubi via the Sage, the other seem to have been untouched by the Juubi's influence.

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This would represent no problem unless!... Gods be good!! it was the older son that was affected and the younger that born untethered. What an odd thing to happen, did the Sage unsealed the Juubi from within himself between the birth of the two brothers? But that's impossible! He only did that when he was very old and close to his death!

The answer is simple, the so called Younger brother is actually the Elder brother! Hence why Hashirama wanted to enforce the Hidden Villages System which relayed on Power to maintain the peace, as of Madara he wants to create a world where there is no war, no suffer only love, where everybody is a winner and no one needs leaders and is free to be happy.

There was an error in the story Tobi/Obito told us, the two brothers were misplaced. Probably the Elder brother (Father to the Senju) tried to hide the truth by twisting the answers and hence taking the title of heir to the Sage of Six Paths to himself. And the Younger brother (Father to the Uchiha) was labelled as a Hater and an enemy of peace. The resemblance of his eyes with the eyes of the Juubi probably took a big role on making the people believing the Elder brother, as they maybe still remember the sight of the Juubi and mistrusted the eyes of the Younger brother.

Now with that clear let's move on to the final and first point.

We know that this Younger and Elder brother were sons of the Sage, but why do we say they are the sons of the Sage? Why would ther only be two? In fact Tobi/Obito hints that this is not the case at all.

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Here he says that the Senju and the Uchiha were once one and the same, and that the Sage was the two boodlines in one. But unlike many here in the base like to state as a dogma, Tobi/Obito does not state that Senju and Uchiha in a single blood line were all that the Sage was.

He actually implies quite otherwise that Senju and Uchiha (Elder and Younger) merely and only part of what the Sage was. The two clans are only two of the 6! Each clan a Path, the Senju and the Uchiha are two of the Paths.
Manga Proof:

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This means that the Sage had more sons, sons who must have inherited some of the Sage's prodigeous powers and probably some of the Juubi's too. Sons that could have had treats from both the Elder and Younger or even different ones. One of these 6 sons must have been the Father (or Mother) to the Uzumaki.

With the life force of the Senju and the ability to control the Rinnegan, it's a mix without being neither!

So this is my theory about the sons of the Sage, the 6 Paths!

Your theory is interesting, but I have some reservations about it.

First of all, the Uchiha-progenitor being the Elder Son makes sense. The Sage had no reason to believe the Juubi was able to tamper with his progeny BEFORE the Uchihancestor was born. Immediately thereafter, he can easily observe that his son has been warped by the demon.

But what can be done! How can he ever have another child, knowing full well that it'll be at least partially demonic in its genetic makeup?

Fuinjutsu.

The Sage was an expert at it, in all likelyhood. How else would he be able to seal the Juubi in himself?

Seals can be tampered with, strengthened, weakened, and adjusted. Orochimaru's "crude" Gogyou Fuin, Jiraiya's loosening of the Kyuubi's seal during the timeskip, Minato's strengthening of it during Kushina's labour. Who's to say the Sage DIDN'T remove the Juubi's possibility of tampering with his offspring, giving rise to a completely "demon-free" child as the Younger Son?



And your statements about Hashirama and Madara's motivations are a bit stretched.

If we define the ideology of "Love" as "belief in others", it's clear the Senju, in creating Konoha, followed this idea, and that the Shinobi Alliance follows it in the present time.

If we define the ideology of "Power" as the "belief only in oneself" it's fairly obvious that Madara's motivations follow this idea. He has never believed that people, working together, would ever achieve anything. It's HIS OWN genjutsu, it's HIS OWN "perfect world", that matter.

This approach actually makes the "Senju" and "Uchiha" ideologies a lot like the Jedi and the Sith's, oddly enough.



As to the Uzumaki being one of the Sage's Six Paths, I find it very doubtful as well.

Kabuto is presumably talking about the Uzumaki, to a degree, but they are close enough to the Senju in their abilities that he may simply be using them as a substitute. And Kabuto is a Sage, Natural Energy version, which seems likely to be another path. So he seems to have at least two of them. Maybe he doesn't know Obito has Mokuton, and thus considers himself the closest?



All that said, good thread! We need more ones of this quality!

 

[Tensa Zangestu]

I dunno but, well written theory

 

[Niwdog]

I think something similar, but rather there were only two sons, but those two sons went on to have two children which formed the other clans connected to the Sage... The Uchiha bro had two children - one continuing the Uchiha line, the other beginning the Hyuuga line, hence making them distant cousins. The Senju bro had two children - one continuing the Senju line, one creating the Uzumaki line, hence making them distant cousins

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Hmmm... Interesting theory..!