Shino, definitely in the top 3 of konoha 11

[Piratefish]

you're underrating shino ALOT

shino is a long range fighter, remember shino vs kankuro

long range alone will beat sakura, neji, hinata and kiba because they cant get close to hit shino while shino can just keep his distance and surround them

ten ten cant do anythin, she can throw kunai but shino will surround her with bugs like he did to obito and she will be finished

ino is needs no explaination

shikamaru is a close/med range fighter and shino is a little intelligent too, but again shikamaru will get surrounded by bugs
shikamaru isnt a fighter

like i said rock lee, sai and MAYBE choji are the only ones that can beat shino

im obviously not counting naruto and sasuke

Neji and Hinata have long-range attacks and PERFECT AWARENESS OF WHERE ALL OF THE BUGS ARE AT ALL TIMES.

Sakura 1-hit-KO's, and is VERY good at evasion. She has a chance.

Kiba has a slightly lesser awareness of where everything is (scent isn't as fast as sight), but he also has a good idea of where EVERYTHING Shino can do is. Gatsuga shreds everything Shino can do, attack or defense.

Tenten has the banana fan. She can BURN EVERYTHING. If not, she'll box him in somehow with insane amounts of ranged weaponry.

Ino landed a hit on, and contained, Obito Uchiha. With help, but landing attacks on Obito is a rare feat. If she can land Shintenshin, the battle is over. It might not happen, but it very well COULD.

Shikamaru is very aware of Shino's capabilities, and could take him. Bugs are a bad matchup for him, but Shika has already demonstrated that he can, for example, use MASSIVE amounts of explosives. Which would keep the bugs at a distance. Shika is not to be underestimated.

 

[Gatsuuga]

I can admit to Choji getting stronger but compared to alot of K-11 he's still fodder.

Oh' I agree but he is a lot more useful then he used to be...

you're underrating shino ALOT

shino is a long range fighter, remember shino vs kankuro

Yep and that fight would have resulted in Kankuro's win and Shino's loss if it wasn't for Shino's dad intervening. Kankuro was seen later, yet Shino would have died from poison. Its an example, but an example of how he can be beaten when the opponent knowns how his jutsu work.

long range alone will beat sakura, neji, hinata and kiba because they cant get close to hit shino while shino can just keep his distance and surround them

Sakura is debatable since she is a master dodger, Hinata has byakugan so can see where the bugs are at all times an plan accordingly. Kiba is a special case since he has the same sensing capability as Hinata, the speed to close the gap very quickly and could actually kill shino with fang-over-fang given that it goes through rocks easily and is taijutsu based (i.e. the bugs can't stop it since its taijutsu).

ten ten cant do anythin, she can throw kunai but shino will surround her with bugs like he did to obito and she will be finished
ino is needs no explaination

Agree, ten-ten and Ino would die against shino...

shikamaru is a close/med range fighter and shino is a little intelligent too, but again shikamaru will get surrounded by bugs
shikamaru isnt a fighter

Shikamaru has proven deadly with a small arsenal and a massive brain - he has all the knowledge he needs of shino's jutsu, he would have a counter strategy.

like i said rock lee, sai and MAYBE choji are the only ones that can beat shino

im obviously not counting naruto and sasuke

I agree with all of these with the inclusion of Neji...

 

[Death2TheUchiha]

Besides, shino's cool head and ability to analyze evey situation well makes him a potent shinobi. He is multifaceted unlike various others.( not a moron like kiba, choji, lee)

Shino was left out of the Sasuke retrieval arc for a reason. Nuff said.

 

[King Of Kings]

We all know the edo's got sht on hard. Kakashi, Choji and Ino wasn't enough to stop Kakazu when he was alive.

Alright, you're obviously a troll.....

Who said he would need to dodge anything. Gaara's sand shield moves on its own to protect him and Lee was faster then that. What honestly makes you think bugs would be faster then a built in defence system?

Kids a troll. Im done trying to explain common sense.

=_= thats why you plan ahead so they don't surround you. Neji, Hinata and Kiba all have the capacity to know exactly where the bugs and the original shino are at all times. They therefore make sure they don't get cornered and always attack the original and not a clone. With shino's advantage done, he is basically a sitting duck since he has shown no skill in any area outside his clans jutsu.


To true, edo's got troll, but that doesn't mean that characters can't get stronger during the series - choji is a obvious example of this.

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look at what kakashi says (top right corner)

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shino said his bugs are absorbing chakra

you all can deny manga all you want

@death2theuchiha: btw i didnt say anything about gaara, so what are you talking about?

 

[Gatsuuga]

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shino said his bugs are absorbing chakra

you all can deny manga all you want

@death2theuchiha: btw i didnt say anything about gaara, so what are you talking about?

I understand all that but you don't seem to get that the rest of K11 know this as well. Shino always spreads his bugs to encircle the opponent then once they are trapped he uses beetle sphere. But if everyone knows what he is trying to set up then its useless since they will avoid getting trapped. This is even easier for the likes of Kiba, Hinata and Neji since they know where the bugs are at all times. Also your last scan kind of works against you. Shino himself says they are 'still' absorbing his chakra - meaning it takes some time to completely suck someone dry - even with all those bugs. During this time the bugs can still be killed.

 

[Death2TheUchiha]

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shino said his bugs are absorbing chakra

you all can deny manga all you want

@death2theuchiha: btw i didnt say anything about gaara, so what are you talking about?

Lol Kakashi stated that there was no way for anyone to escape that many bugs but guess what...It happend.

You implied that Shino's bugs would get lee before lee got Shino so I used Gaara as the ultimate reference to disprove your claim. If Lee is faster then a built in defence system he's faster then bugs who have to take time to think and act.

 

[thegame]

Id love to see Shino beat Lee in gates. Id also love to see Shino beat Neji. Neji's Byakugan renders ALL of his bugs useless whether there hidden or not. The byakugan allows him to see chakra, Shino's bugs feed off of his chakra.

It is true that Lee with gates will be a problem, but how does Lee remove bugs that cover his entire body? And how does Lee realize that he has been "bugged". Shino can follow him any time, and thus avoid all his attacks and set traps. Shino got other things than bugs. Explosive tags, etc.. It's pretty basic U_U

Neji is of course capable of seeing chakra, but wont Shinos bug jamming disrupt that ability, just like it did with the sharingan.

 

[narmeiter]

Shino was left out of the Sasuke retrieval arc for a reason. Nuff said.

Mate i don't think kishi told you a different reason. The reason we all know is that he was not there at that moment. Otherwise , no chnce he would have been excluded.

 

[King Of Kings]

Lol Kakashi stated that there was no way for anyone to escape that many bugs but guess what...It happend.

You implied that Shino's bugs would get lee before lee got Shino so I used Gaara as the ultimate reference to disprove your claim. If Lee is faster then a built in defence system he's faster then bugs who have to take time to think and act.

it can be dodge if anyone from k11 has obito's abilities
you got a link?

I understand all that but you don't seem to get that the rest of K11 know this as well. Shino always spreads his bugs to encircle the opponent then once they are trapped he uses beetle sphere. But if everyone knows what he is trying to set up then its useless since they will avoid getting trapped. This is even easier for the likes of Kiba, Hinata and Neji since they know where the bugs are at all times. Also your last scan kind of works against you. Shino himself says they are 'still' absorbing his chakra - meaning it takes some time to completely suck someone dry - even with all those bugs. During this time the bugs can still be killed.

you're not understanding

it doesn't matter if k11 knows about shino's abilities, how are they gonna dodge it? with or without intel

 

[Death2TheUchiha]

It is true that Lee with gates will be a problem, but how does Lee remove bugs that cover his entire body? And how does Lee realize that he has been "bugged". Shino can follow him any time, and thus avoid all his attacks and set traps. Shino got other things than bugs. Explosive tags, etc.. It's pretty basic U_U

Neji is of course capable of seeing chakra, but wont Shinos bug jamming disrupt that ability, just like it did with the sharingan.

Gaara's sand defence kept tabs on were lee was but he was just to fast for it to react. If lee is faster then gaara's sand defence he's faster then bugs. Also when did Shino jam a sharingan?

 

[King Of Kings]

You implied that Shino's bugs would get lee before lee got Shino so I used Gaara as the ultimate reference to disprove your claim. If Lee is faster then a built in defence system he's faster then bugs who have to take time to think and act.

i never said that

i said rock lee can beat shino

the gates are too fast and strong

someone else said that about lee vs shino, you got the wrong guy

 

[Οdin]

Naruto
Rock Lee
Neji

Just 'cause. :|

 

[King Of Kings]

Naruto
Rock Lee
Neji

Just 'cause. :|

how does neji win?

 

[Form]

Yeah, BM Naruto would crumble against bugs....
Chouji with his butterfly mode will wreck
Neji needs no explaining
Rock Lee with the gates
Sakura only needs to land one hit on Shino
Kiba is the same as Sakura, and Akamaru's help would make it easier
Hinata, did you see her against Pain ? How will Shino handle that power
Tenten is a long range fighter. She knows that she should stay away from the bugs and use her weapons instead

Yeah i saw hinata crawling to naruto as pain nearly killed her.

 

[Gatsuuga]

you're not understanding

it doesn't matter if k11 knows about shino's abilities, how are they gonna dodge it? with or without intel

By attacking first and keeping constant pressure on Shino. He needs to actively direct his bugs, hence why he never actually engages in proper fights. Don't forget that just before your scans Naruto, Kiba and Sakura made a collaboration attack - during which time shino was dispersing and setting up his trap. It takes a while to encircle the person, during which time shino needs to focus on spreading the bugs around. He can't do that if he is fighting in taijutsu - which people would do given they know how he fights.

It is true that Lee with gates will be a problem, but how does Lee remove bugs that cover his entire body? And how does Lee realize that he has been "bugged". Shino can follow him any time, and thus avoid all his attacks and set traps. Shino got other things than bugs. Explosive tags, etc.. It's pretty basic U_U

Neji is of course capable of seeing chakra, but wont Shinos bug jamming disrupt that ability, just like it did with the sharingan.

The byakugan has much greater insight then the sharingan. It can see considerable distances and at very fine detail. Its likely that the byakugan could see past a bug jamming jutsu, otherwise the guy in Anko's team wouldn't have known how close Edo deidara and Sasori were behind them (I think his name was Ranka).

 

[Death2TheUchiha]

it can be dodge if anyone from k11 has obito's abilities
you got a link?



you're not understanding

it doesn't matter if k11 knows about shino's abilities, how are they gonna dodge it? with or without intel

Why would I need a link when its common sense. Here's an idea substitution jutsu. Wow that was hard to do.

 

[badoera]

I wouldn't put Naruto in the konoha 11.. just like Sasuke, they just don't belong there.

to answer you're question: i agree he's in the top 3 smartest shinobi in that group.

he's not in the top 3 strongest of that group tho.

Rock lee with his gates is too fast + uses taijutsu which is his weakness.

Neji is pretty much the same, he uses taijutsu + byakugan who can see shino's bugs everywhere.

Same for Hinata.

also dont underestimate Chouji with his new butterfly mode.. he ended the war at the coastline on his own.

he might be 4th-6th strongest in Konoha 11.. but not top 3

 

[King Of Kings]

Why would I need a link when its common sense. Here's an idea substitution jutsu. Wow that was hard to do.

you have no links lol

who falls for substitution jutsu, just admit you're wrong
i just gave proof from the manga, where is your proof?

By attacking first and keeping constant pressure on Shino. He needs to actively direct his bugs, hence why he never actually engages in proper fights. Don't forget that just before your scans Naruto, Kiba and Sakura made a collaboration attack - during which time shino was dispersing and setting up his trap. It takes a while to encircle the person, during which time shino needs to focus on spreading the bugs around. He can't do that if he is fighting in taijutsu - which people would do given they know how he fights.

@bold: how will this stop the bugs?

shino doesnt need prep time to use bugs
he needs prep time to use STRONGER bugs

look at shino vs kankuro

 

[thegame]

Gaara's sand defence kept tabs on were lee was but he was just to fast for it to react. If lee is faster then gaara's sand defence he's faster then bugs. Also when did Shino jam a sharingan?

Lee is fast, but dumb, but again it depends on the place they fight. If it's in the woods, Shino has every advantage. But in an open landscape it is more tricky

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Of course with byakugan you would be able to see neji behind the bugs, but it'd be very confusing to keep track of every bug, and if you focus on something behind them, you can't focus on what is in front of you.

Nejis spin wont remove bugs that are already placed at his skin, surely he can prevent the bug sphere, but beside of that, he can't avoid a single bug to land on him, if he missuses the spin, it's over. So Shino will always know his location as well, so it would be quite interesting, and the landscape they fight in would definitely be the determining factor U_U

 

[narmeiter]

Shino's bugs detect chakra miles away. How can you fool them with substitution. Kage bunshin would have been better answer but as you know only naruto in k11 uses it.