The End All Debate on the SO6P

[Ghost of Uchiha]

Yes, I explained this. He has rinnengan, he can use ninjutsu.

no he never truely activates it until his fight with hanzo

 

[thegame]

Re: Final Thread: So6p was an Uzumaki (Theory)

And if it were a girl? then what

Well. No uchiha female shinobis have ever been seen. So it is unknown whether it is only the male uchiha that can awake sharingan.

But it might also be due to tradition that the women don't learn ninjutsu, thus they would never awaken sharingan, which would make more sense. But we cannot know.

 

[Ghost of Uchiha]

hey so i dont believe that so6ps was in fact uzimaki, i believe you about the power distribution with eyes and powerfull body, also i dont think the sage had rennigon before fight with juubi i belevie he was a powerfull sealer type ninja with his tools sealed away juubi inside him and from that gains rennigon because hosts of tailed beasts can gain certain traits from there beasts inside and this is how he gain rennigon, uzimaki are decendents of senju says in magna so i say good job needs work 3 out 5

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[Tebows Youth Group]

To start.

You completely failed, when you said they cannot use ninjutsu... So what you said would be that they cannot make a bunshin for instance. It's true they haven't shown any specific chakra affinities, which is probably it. But to say that they can't use ninjutsu is bullshit. You seem to base a lot of your theory on this fact, so it kinda blows...

Regarding the Juubis eye. It is not a rinnengan till Kishi says so. Thus stop making idiotic conclusions on this topic. It might as well be a completely different eye that we haven't heard of yet, and you can't overrule this possibility. So stop it please.

Regarding the seal Naruto "used", it was simply due to the way the seal was made. It is of course a pretty valid evidence that it was invented or used by the so6p, which strongly points towards him being from the uzumaki clan as well.

The sage could use ninjutsu, when he traveled the world as a monk, as Jiraya described it. It is clear that at this time he had rinnengan, since jiraya said that he had the same eyes at nagato, when he did this. You say he didn't teach them, but that is false as the manga says otherwise. You do, however, have an interesting theory about how they became able to use ninjutsu, however, ninjutsu have nothing in common with natural energy. Ninjutsu is a specific way of using chakra, and people didn't suddenly get chakra. They had it all the time. The sage just taught them how to use it.

All in all not a "perfect" theory, and there is too many flaws. We can always take the discussion as for whether they can use nijutsu or not, but what I think is the important factor regarding it, is that they have shown no chakra affinities, except for Naruto of course. You should focus on that instead.

As for last there is one more major flaw. Why don't you discuss or theorize how the rinnengan can be awakened by a person that has no juubi or jinchuriki sealed inside them? This is probably the most important fact that the rinnengan cannot be from the juubi. So unless you somehow make a theory that explains it, your entire thread is pointless.

Point 1: SHow an Uzumaki using a simple bunshin. I have asked people over and over to show any Uzumaki using even a simple ninjutsu.

Point 2: Okay, sure, I guess unless some one comes out and screams, "look at the Juubi's Rinnengan" than yeah I guess youre right? Look at it though, it is cleary a Rinnengan with sharingan tomae's, kishi shouldnt have to spell that out for you since he has literally drawn it out for you.

Point 3: Yes the sage could use ninjutsu after he beat the Juubi, there is no other evidence to the contrary.

Point 4: I never said people all of the sudden obtained chakra after the defeat of the Juubi, those are your words.

Point 5: The Rinnengan came from teh Juubi, the Sage obtained it. Then the ability for his descendants to obtain were already laid out. Im not arguing Senju+Uchiha doesnt equal rinnengan, but it was not until the sage sealed the Juubi inside himself that ninja were able to have the rinnengan, given they have the blueprints.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

everything seems reasonable but i dont agree that uzumakis cant do ninjutsu...but your point is good

Haha, well why not?

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

Actually.....

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Kabuto is a goddamn liar lol jk jk very well done I stand corrected. Excuse the sarcasm. And proceed with you're argument

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

Actually.....

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Kabuto is a goddamn liar lol jk jk very well done I stand corrected. Excuse the sarcasm. And proceed with you're argument

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Killer thread boss. You've obviously put lots of thought, time, and effort into this one. ***** for you my friend. Everything that you said makes sense. Some you can argue with, but to be honest this is your opinion, and you backed it so well I'm not gonna bother giving mine, because I'm way to lazy. I'll be looking for more of your threads in the future.

Haaha, well if you decide to share your thoughts, I will certainly look forward to reading them.

 

[The Necromancer]

Point 1: SHow an Uzumaki using a simple bunshin. I have asked people over and over to show any Uzumaki using even a simple ninjutsu.

Point 2: Okay, sure, I guess unless some one comes out and screams, "look at the Juubi's Rinnengan" than yeah I guess youre right? Look at it though, it is cleary a Rinnengan with sharingan tomae's, kishi shouldnt have to spell that out for you since he has literally drawn it out for you.

Point 3: Yes the sage could use ninjutsu after he beat the Juubi, there is no other evidence to the contrary.

Point 4: I never said people all of the sudden obtained chakra after the defeat of the Juubi, those are your words.

Point 5: The Rinnengan came from teh Juubi, the Sage obtained it. Then the ability for his descendants to obtain were already laid out. Im not arguing Senju+Uchiha doesnt equal rinnengan, but it was not until the sage sealed the Juubi inside himself that ninja were able to have the rinnengan, given they have the blueprints.

Do you not consider the Eye of the Kaguya that Karin uses to be ninjustu? It's a sensory technique as well as her ability to heal which is also ninjutsu.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

no he never truely activates it until his fight with hanzo

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When his parents died..

 

[Ldude]

Cool thread, bro.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

Haha, well why not?

because there is no way so6p could have mastered renni that fast

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Kabuto is a goddamn liar lol jk jk very well done I stand corrected. Excuse the sarcasm. And proceed with you're argument

Hahaha! Its all right man, ive had my share of "whoops" moments on here.

 

[Ghost of Uchiha]

Sir can i ask u ... how do we know that the pic of sage with reningan is before sealing or after sealing

 

[Ghost of Uchiha]

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When his parents died..

Ok reningan only gives the path abalities ... it never makes u learn the elemental jutsu ...

 

[Waltz]

The SO6P couldn't be a Pure Uzumaki

The Sage of Six paths had two sons. The Elder's descendants became the Uchiha and Younger's Descendants became the Senju

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Lets Compare

Many members have a concept that the Uzumaki are senju Descendants:

Senju A, had a child with Non-Senju B...and That child was Uzumaki #1 -> Procreates -> Uzumaki Clan"

I beg to differ.

Here's why:

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According to the Manga, the Uzumaki were distant Blood Relative To the Senju. Who was the First Senju? The So6p? No. The first Senju was the the Younger son...The Sage was essentially a combination of both Senju and Uchiha's Roots. It is therefore impossible for the Sage to be an Uzumaki. The Senju couldn't be Direct Descendants of the Uzumaki (SO6P), being that the Uzumaki are Distant Blood Relative.

A Blood relative could either mean:

A) The concept what members have ^
B) The Sage's Younger Son had a Cousin/Aunt/uncle/ect. that had children that started the Uzumaki Clan
C) The Sage had a relative that Brought about the Uzumaki.
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Answering the Question: Why couldn't the Uzumaki Be Descendants of the Senju?

The Uzumakis are known for their incredible longevity and life force, and because they were masters at Fuuinjutsu/Sealing techniques.

The Senju weren't known for being masters at Funninjutsu. Just Life force and physical energy...
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Hopefully the above has clarified the fact that it's Impossible for the Sage to be a Pure Uzumaki. Now answering Final Question:

How would the Uzumaki learn their Sealing techniques then if the aren't descendants of the sage?

The Sage originates for a line of priest.
It didn't specify, and were not sure if this means Family, if so then it adds up.

If not, then the Sage thought their ancestors, being that they use the same sealing tech's the sage did.

 

[RedShenks]

Dont think its because of the Rinnegan, i think that the Uzumakis have it in their blood to use Futon jutsus, like we see it in the training of Nagato and Naruto, so i think the Uzumakis can use other jutsus and not only Fujin Jutsus, btw. nice theory

@Ghost of Uchiha
Its statet in the Manga that with the rinnegan you can master all elemental ninjutsus

 

[Ghost of Uchiha]

and bro how many ladies have we seen except mei n ino who predominantly use ninjutsu

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Re: The SO6P couldn't be a Pure Uzumaki

Stop with all the Uzumaki = So6p, please! They're getting annoying.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Sir can i ask u ... how do we know that the pic of sage with reningan is before sealing or after sealing

Honestly we cant know. In fact there has never been an actual picture of him with the rinnengan that wasnt from the way some one envisioned him looking. Jiraya, Nagato, Tobi etc. all pictured him with the Rinnengan. The only persons memory we can rely on is the Kyuubi's and in his memory the author does well not to show his eyes.

I am not saying he didnt have rinnengan at all, cus i believe he did after he sealed the Juubi. But I submit to you, that there is page of him with rinnengan AT ALL that is some one directly remembering what he looks like, just assumptions.