Kyubi Intelligence?

[Goro Kaguya]

well my friend that pledge was made with respect to yamato and the mis-understandings of the village that naruto cares with him. He has been told all his life that the fox was evil, bad, and everything else. So it makes sense that naruto be fearful of the fox. But that fear is ignorance, you can run from your demons for only so long.

Not really...

Look at the image (of the eye), and re read the mange if you need to remember, not relying on the kyubi is all about Sasuke and Sakura and his promise never to let that "evil" hurt them again...

I agree that one can out run there demons for so long, and this appearance of the six tails proves it.

 

[Geezus]

THe reason the Kyuubi is smart and knows that the necklace was sealing him was because he gains that knowledge from Naruto.

This makes the kyuubi just as smart as Naruto

If you remeber when Akatsuki went to seal the bijuu that was wiled the only reason they captured it was because it was 2 dumb to control its own power.

Ill Show the manga pics when i get a chance so i can prove this...

 

[KASTAWAY]

if he wanted to use the kyubi power why didn't he use them when he first got captured? (pinned down)

i feel that the feeling of helplessness and the injury of hinata enraged him so much the kyubi used it as a opening to leak out. The reasoning for his more focus fighting style is his new found intelligence.




I would like to believe this, but naruto is afraid of the fox's power. So much so that he vowed never to use that power again

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the 6 tails attacked the necklace before it could suppress it again.

Naruto wont be controlling this beast for a while, but idk...itachi and the key scroll might just have to step into play now...

o and your quote from yamato, so cute, but he could never understand that the 9tails is a part of him, they will never willingly remove it, so its a part of him, i agree naruto should not become depended upon the power, he should learn as much ninja art's as possible, but the power of the fox with a well trained ninja is unstoppable. And the fox over taking him should be expected, he has limited training with the fox unlike gara and other host, the balance takes time and practice, but the more you use and practice something the better you become, right, lol. And lastly why is should be expected for the fox to take control as naruto learns to control his power, naruto has the strongest tailed beast inside him.

The characters within this story grow they are not fixed on any view, style, or purpose, so what they say and do can change

 

[KASTAWAY]

Not really...

Look at the image (of the eye), and re read the mange if you need to remember, not relying on the kyubi is all about Sasuke and Sakura and his promise never to let that "evil" hurt them again...

I agree that one can out run there demons for so long, and this appearance of the six tails proves it.

i understand the promise but if you go further back naruto, was given the fox for a purpose, not to be be its container, if we take that promise at face value that undermines what we have learned about naruto, the fox, j-man's beliefs close to his death with the toad, and narutos sage training -not being able to have a toad merge with him- the fox is his partner, he must learn to use him

naruto being the host has bigger purpose than just being the fox's container he must become a complete jinchuurki which he is not YET

and evil, the fox just has no equal- so the people in that world just can't match its power- so the fox does not respect them, but evil i just don't know yet, because what were learning about the ninja nations is that somewhere each is looked at as evil, and corrupt -you must seek understanding first- and naruto has not try' ed to understand the fox yet- and when he does balance will happen

 

[sgt]

naruto being the host has bigger purpose than just being the fox's container he must become a complete jinchuurki which he is not YET

as in other words, the fox does not acknowledge naruto yet.. thus not the co-operation so far.. but this time i think they put down their weapons and agreed to teamwork

 

[KASTAWAY]

as in other words, the fox does not acknowledge naruto yet.. thus not the co-operation so far.. but this time i think they put down their weapons and agreed to teamwork

thanks YES, but in an early manga the fax has already said he would give naruto all his power if he removed the seal on the gate, naruto refused the deal and the conversation

 

[Goro Kaguya]

KASTAWAY i understand what your trying to get at..

But this thread is about his current actions and the new ability of free thought...

Yes eventually he will learn to control the kyubi...but thats not my point...

I lost what yours was

(sorries)

And we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Sasuke Uzumaki]

This is leading to my next theory.

To briefly go over it. A bijuu intelligence is based on it's host.

Notice that all bijuu that didn't have a host were dumb (to be frank) and the Ones with a host were not only smarter but stronger?
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Actually, according even to mythology, the 9 tails is the smartest, maybe together with the 8 tails.

I think that the reason why the fox was recless when Naruto went 4 tails is because they were not co-operating, and there was a combination of Naruto trying to prevent the fox from coming out while the fox strived to overcome Naruto's strength to suppress him. Plus Naruto was really mad at Oro, etc.

But now Naruto is calculating his moves, and even if he went mad, he and the fox seem to be working slightly together.

 

[MadaraUprisingUchiha]

the Kyuubi is the smartest bijuu because in one of the normal naruto eps they say that a fox gains a tail on how smart it is, and the kyuubi has 9 so it maybe the smartest of them all.

 

[pillow..]

Actually, according even to mythology, the 9 tails is the smartest, maybe together with the 8 tails.

I think that the reason why the fox was recless when Naruto went 4 tails is because they were not co-operating, and there was a combination of Naruto trying to prevent the fox from coming out while the fox strived to overcome Naruto's strength to suppress him. Plus Naruto was really mad at Oro, etc.

But now Naruto is calculating his moves, and even if he went mad, he and the fox seem to be working slightly together.

i totally agree

 

[Goro Kaguya]

i understand the promise but if you go further back naruto, was given the fox for a purpose, not to be be its container, if we take that promise at face value that undermines what we have learned about naruto, the fox, j-man's beliefs close to his death with the toad, and narutos sage training -not being able to have a toad merge with him- the fox is his partner, he must learn to use him

naruto being the host has bigger purpose than just being the fox's container he must become a complete jinchuurki which he is not YET

and evil, the fox just has no equal- so the people in that world just can't match its power- so the fox does not respect them, but evil i just don't know yet, because what were learning about the ninja nations is that somewhere each is looked at as evil, and corrupt -you must seek understanding first- and naruto has not try' ed to understand the fox yet- and when he does balance will happen

The Fox was placed in naruto just a container, also a way to keep it's power in konoha...Now all that other stuff you mentioned, eh....

Spoiler

to each his/her own opinion

thanks YES, but in an early manga the fax has already said he would give naruto all his power if he removed the seal on the gate, naruto refused the deal and the conversation

This was a trick so that he can escape, the fox has no reason to willingly give all his power to Naruto (back then), this is why he refused.

Spoiler

Back then Naruto had no knowledge of the damage the nine tails cloak could invoke. So that the only logical explanation one could use. Well other than fear...

Actually, according even to mythology, the 9 tails is the smartest, maybe together with the 8 tails.

I think that the reason why the fox was recless when Naruto went 4 tails is because they were not co-operating, and there was a combination of Naruto trying to prevent the fox from coming out while the fox strived to overcome Naruto's strength to suppress him. Plus Naruto was really mad at Oro, etc.

But now Naruto is calculating his moves, and even if he went mad, he and the fox seem to be working slightly together.

Everyone is speaking how they are working together, give me a logically based sign that they are....

Spoiler

In the weeks to come i may be proven wrong, but right now (imo) As it stands the Kyubi is on his own....

 

[Minato the Sage]

i wouldnt say that naruto is in control,i would on the other hand say that this resembles a kind of collaboration between the kyuubi and naruto,,with them both having similar "goals" at the moment they both understands that they need each other and go after pein "together"..

it seems so...
I think you are right.

 

[konoha s beautiful beast]

i never thought kyuubi was mindless in the first place

me 2

 

[twistedlink]

Re: Kyuubi Intelligence?

Just my 2 cents.

But surely there are 2 paths to take

1.Naruto has control

2.Naruto doesnt have control.



1.Great, end of story, he has control, not much to worry about in that case.

2.The kyuubis in control now, however if he is smart enough to deduce that the necklace is indeed whats holding him back and that yamato is also at play we can deduce he has intelligence and that he hears his surroundings and knows whats going on while inside naruto, which i believe is a good thing.

At the end of the day yes he is trapped inside naruto, however im sure the kyuubi is aware of akatsuki and the fact they kill the host and take the bijuu and seal them up too anyway, either way-the fox isnt free.

However inside naruto he can work as an efficient medium, and work in accordance with naruto, with akatsuki he'd just be used as a weapon every now and then like pain describes.

The kyuubi must pick between two evils, hes trapped in both cases but at the moment if kyuubi is intelligent-he will choose naruto as a vessel rather than akatsukis sealing technique.

 

[Shisui Uchiha]

According to Japanese legend the tailed beasts did become both progressively stronger and smarter with the more tails each had, the 9-tailed beast being the greatest of them all, and never losing a fight to the others.

 

[Tifa]

correct and he held more immense chakra then the rest and power too. ^.^

 

[Sasuke Uzumaki]

Everyone is speaking how they are working together, give me a logically based sign that they are....
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Well, for 2 pages in the latest manga, when the necklace is taken off, we see a lot of kanji symbols that have not been translated. According to one of the spoilers on manga 438, one of these pics read something like "Ok" or "I'll do it", and it was the kyubbi who was replying to Naruto. What he asked for is not known.

Naruto as never actually asked the kyubii to do anything for him before, not speaking. So far he only spoke to the fox to reject him.

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[Goro Kaguya]

Just my 2 cents.

But surely there are 2 paths to take

1.Naruto has control

2.Naruto doesnt have control.



1.Great, end of story, he has control, not much to worry about in that case.

2.The kyuubis in control now, however if he is smart enough to deduce that the necklace is indeed whats holding him back and that yamato is also at play we can deduce he has intelligence and that he hears his surroundings and knows whats going on while inside naruto, which i believe is a good thing.

At the end of the day yes he is trapped inside naruto, however im sure the kyuubi is aware of akatsuki and the fact they kill the host and take the bijuu and seal them up too anyway, either way-the fox isnt free.

However inside naruto he can work as an efficient medium, and work in accordance with naruto, with akatsuki he'd just be used as a weapon every now and then like pain describes.

The kyuubi must pick between two evils, hes trapped in both cases but at the moment if kyuubi is intelligent-he will choose naruto as a vessel rather than akatsukis sealing technique.

I like the way your thinking..number 2 all the way

Well, for 2 pages in the latest manga, when the necklace is taken off, we see a lot of kanji symbols that have not been translated. According to one of the spoilers on manga 438, one of these pics read something like "Ok" or "I'll do it", and it was the kyubbi who was replying to Naruto. What he asked for is not known.

Naruto as never actually asked the kyubii to do anything for him before, not speaking. So far he only spoke to the fox to reject him.

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Isn't that kanji for sfx(sound effects)?

 

[Tifa]

no actually kanji is a Japanese word drawn in a certain way.

 

[KASTAWAY]

The Fox was placed in naruto just a container, also a way to keep it's power in konoha...Now all that other stuff you mentioned, eh....

Spoiler

to each his/her own opinion

This was a trick so that he can escape, the fox has no reason to willingly give all his power to Naruto (back then), this is why he refused.

Spoiler

Back then Naruto had no knowledge of the damage the nine tails cloak could invoke. So that the only logical explanation one could use. Well other than fear...

Everyone is speaking how they are working together, give me a logically based sign that they are....

Spoiler

In the weeks to come i may be proven wrong, but right now (imo) As it stands the Kyubi is on his own....

Where has it ever been stated that naruto was just a container for the fox, that totally goes against j-man's beliefs and the progression of the story before he died, -look to j-man vs pain fight, right before the fight j-man had a conversation with the key toad, saying the 4th purpose was more than trapping the 9tails.

Also the fox does have a logical reason to work with naruto, we must remember the fox is not complete, only half of the fox was placed within naruto, without naruto it is possible that the 9tails could not survive outside him anyway. And the scroll that contains the other half belongs to naruto and according to j-man and the key toad (it is also believed by many that if naruto dies so will the 9tails) .