What is wrong with communism?

[Jay T]

Any time an American(I know I'm generalizing) hears the word commy they instantly think HEY HEY!! BAD..bad....baaad. lol

What I want to know what is so had about it, o mean its really just you government playing robin hood, instead of ceo's making over 400 times as their employees is would he more like 4 times as much, distribution of wealth and more regulations on exactly how far Tue man can really stick it to you. I don't see anything wrong with that part at least.

 

[Yerrina]

I don't know enough to answer you, but I know enough to recognize that Communism, Stalinism, and Socialism are not the same thing, and they're often used interchangeably.

 

[GenKiDama]

the actual ideals of communism isn't actually that bad, theoretically everyone gets the exact same and there is no rich or poor, but all equal and everything is owned by the state which is very different to the likes of america and people don't like change. Many americans probably don't know what communism actually is, they just link it to the red threat which is automatically bad in the eyes of americans,

 

[YowYan]

Russia is direct fascism.
USA is indirect fascism.

 

[Kage Jake]

Most americans when they hear the word Communism, Stalin, soviet, Cuba's life style, war ready korea comes to mind. They tend to think that the government will be holding them by the balls. They seem to not distinguish the difference between communism, totalitarian, and socialism. I live in the u.s and can easily tell. I honestly believe this country could use some socialism to help balance it since capitalism is starting to fail.

 

[gameove]

1. advocacy of a classless society in which private ownership has been abolished and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community
2. any social, economic, or political movement or doctrine aimed at achieving such a society
3. ( usually capital ) Marxism Marxism-Leninism See also socialism a political movement based upon the writings of Marx that considers history in terms of class conflict and revolutionary struggle, resulting eventually in the victory of the proletariat and the establishment of a socialist order based on public ownership of the means of production
4. ( usually capital ) a social order or system of government established by a ruling Communist Party, esp in the former Soviet Union
5. chiefly ( US ) ( often capital ) any leftist political activity or thought, esp when considered to be subversive
6. communal living; communalism

 

[Kage Jake]

the actual ideals of communism isn't actually that bad, theoretically everyone gets the exact same and there is no rich or poor, but all equal and everything is owned by the state which is very different to the likes of america and people don't like change. Many americans probably don't know what communism actually is, they just link it to the red threat which is automatically bad in the eyes of americans,

^^^^^ pretty much

 

[Lucidus]

the problem with this is that some people are just to greedy .... this is y they dont like communism ... communism will only work if people are selfless and dont put that extra bit of money in there pocket .... people in this day and age are way to greedy

 

[Chatte]

There were bad parts... but there were good parts to it as well.
I take as example one of the biggest communist countries besides Russia. My country. Romania.

People did dislike the system at that time, but when they got to this system, fairly said it was better than.

Yes, food was rationalized, you had to stay in line for a bread, a bottle of milk or something like this, but never, anyone had the problem of not getting any. I haven't heard one person telling me in the communist days of Ceausescu they died of hunger.

Now, after the whole "democracy" system came, everyone got their liberty. But where this liberty took us?

From the no. 1 granary of Europe which Romania was at that time, now is procuring grains from other countries because the whole system of agriculture fell.

From the country with the most owners, we got to the country with the most people losing their home and have to live in rent.

From the country that took you off the streets and put you in a manufacture or something, whatever, gave you a job, we got to the country where you can barely find a job.

Now you find families literally starving, thing that never happened with communism.

We had the best irrigation system, now we don't have any.

All that freedom that was given to us, or so they say, it was turned into corruption and politicians turned this prosperous country into ashes.

Few actually admit that it was better on those times and that actually killing Ceausescu was a coup-d'etat a la Uchiha, lol, only that they didn't kill everyone.

Few actually knew about this, because the competitive politicians made it look like Ceausescu was the bad guy because he keeps everyone in a leash.

Thing that if you ask me and many others, yes it was bad up to a certain point, but necessary. This country needed something like this.

Now that we have leaders like these, this country has rotten and it's in big trouble.

So yes, for Romania communism was better and every normal people that lived on that time will tell you that.

Of course, there were those who fought in '89 but they fought for an ideal that wasn't going to be accomplished later on.

Those poeple who fought and died in December '89 died for nothing, like Ceausescu died as well, because the games were made by the "clever boys" from 89 - 90 till today and we got to the point that we will be like some Brasilian cities (watch Ciudad de Deus - City of God and you'll understand it = this is what Romania is turning in).

 

[peteriscoo]

If you want to know why the communist movement started you have to kinda know about the implications the people thought it would have in their life. Communism or Marxism is the idea that people are the product of their society and people cant change unless society changes (not unlike Christianity which is the idea that people cant change without excepting Christ). So a whole bunch of people living in the slums of the USSR post WWI saw this as the logical next step to capitalism.

But it doesnt work about everyone in the country getting an equal share is someone always has to be on top, the people who are working their asses off have no way of moving ahead of the people who dont show up for work, and basically everything is regulated by the government.

If you want to learn more I suggest you research Marxism as opposed to Communism... the search results you get for communism are normally bias and skewed. Plus with Marxist make some interesting points

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

i know a bit about communism(not enough to debate though)

but my question is this

What gives the right to the Govt to play robin hood(in your own words)?

Assume i'm guy who runs a family business which has around 250+ employees who are all well paid and insured
now what obligation do i have to them to share my profit with them....
they work in my company for which they get paid fare if they are not satisfied they can leave
any surplus profit i get is due to the trademark my grandfather and father created
and the initial investment to start the bussiness came from my great grand dad
i'm with full rights to keep to myself the profit i make apart from paying the labors(no exploitations there)
why should the ownership of the company which has been in my family for generations be turned into a public rather than individual(me)??
do you agree??

 

[Suigetsu13]

In a nutshell, Its not really bad. True Communism which was thoerized by Marx has actually more benefits than it does downfalls. I figure if everyone resorted to communism it would be alot better than it is today with "Diplomacy".......smh america.

 

[peteriscoo]

i know a bit about communism(not enough to debate though)

but my question is this

What gives the right to the Govt to play robin hood(in your own words)?

Assume i'm guy who runs a family business which has around 250+ employees who are all well paid and insured
now what obligation do i have to them to share my profit with them....
they work in my company for which they get paid fare if they are not satisfied they can leave
any surplus profit i get is due to the trademark my grandfather and father created
and the initial investment to start the bussiness came from my great grand dad
i'm with full rights to keep to myself the profit i make apart from paying the labors(no exploitations there)
why should the ownership of the company which has been in my family for generations be turned into a public rather than individual(me)??
do you agree??

Well in a capitalist society that's fine if you the owner in a company keeps its profits. but in a communist society, more than likely, the government will own that business, take the profit, and pay for labor. its just the difference in governments, its a different "law of the land". communism often has heavy influence in business while capitalist prefer little government intervention, if any

 

[Urmommah]

The point with communism is that everybody will get the same amount of money and there will be less of pour ppl, but almost all the examples of communism are bad, because the state screws up by for example taking most of ppls money.

 

[ZK]

I don't know enough to answer you, but I know enough to recognize that Communism, Stalinism, and Socialism are not the same thing, and they're often used interchangeably.

Exacta. There are differences; major differences.
Reading doesn't hurt, people!

Russia is direct fascism.
USA is indirect fascism.

Was.

Most americans when they hear the word Communism, Stalin, soviet, Cuba's life style, war ready korea comes to mind. They tend to think that the government will be holding them by the balls. They seem to not distinguish the difference between communism, totalitarian, and socialism. I live in the u.s and can easily tell. I honestly believe this country could use some socialism to help balance it since capitalism is starting to fail.

Yep. Some proper Unions and tools for 'em would do the U.S. a world of good, too.

1. advocacy of a classless society in which private ownership has been abolished and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community
2. any social, economic, or political movement or doctrine aimed at achieving such a society
3. ( usually capital ) Marxism Marxism-Leninism See also socialism a political movement based upon the writings of Marx that considers history in terms of class conflict and revolutionary struggle, resulting eventually in the victory of the proletariat and the establishment of a socialist order based on public ownership of the means of production
4. ( usually capital ) a social order or system of government established by a ruling Communist Party, esp in the former Soviet Union
5. chiefly ( US ) ( often capital ) any leftist political activity or thought, esp when considered to be subversive
6. communal living; communalism

I'm especially fond of the idea of abolishing private ownership.

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

Well in a capitalist society that's fine if you the owner in a company keeps its profits. but in a communist society, more than likely, the government will own that business, take the profit, and pay for labor. its just the difference in governments, its a different "law of the land". communism often has heavy influence in business while capitalist prefer little government intervention, if any

thats what i'm trying to say if we switch over to communism i would have to make my company(which was in my family for years) a public sector company ...i would be paid salary just as any other CEO would and all other profits would go to the govt
and yes the labors would get a bit better salary
i dont see the point in this and how it is right

 

[peteriscoo]

thats what i'm trying to say if we switch over to communism i would have to make my company(which was in my family for years) a public sector company ...i would be paid salary just as any other CEO would and all other profits would go to the govt
and yes the labors would get a bit better salary
i dont see the point in this and how it is right

Well yeah if you're a CEO of course you wouldnt want the government telling you what to do. But, if you're dirt poor and living in the slums and some guy starts preaching about Marxism and the end of the lower class you might be more inclined to support this type of government

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Depends on what you mean. Carl Marx's fundamental basis for communism is basically the perfect plan;however, when there is an attempt to put it into practice the leaders of the communist goverment get either power hungry Od greedy and turn it into a dictstorship where the masses suffer and the political elite rule. For example Soviet Russia: Joseph Stalin ruled as a dictator similar to Hitler except he didnt commit grand genocide. His enemies were sent to the Gulag in Siberia to die.

End result: Perfectly practiced communism is truly s good form of government as it goes back to the concept of everyone trading their good for someone else's service, and no one can control others except the government which if following the rules makes it even for everybody. Sadly every communist society turns into a regime run dictatorship....though the closest to being successful would be China, and they still have some issues like relocating Cititizens for the Bejing Olympics lol

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

Well yeah if you're a CEO of course you wouldnt want the government telling you what to do. But, if you're dirt poor and living in the slums and some guy starts preaching about Marxism and the end of the lower class you might be more inclined to support this type of government

you dont see the whole picture ...

yes many big CEO's and companies are ripping of poor labors with less salary i'm not denying that<----------this is the problem

but the solution to this problem is to remove that particular CEO and take that organisation into the govt wing as a public sector organisation

NOT to turn to communism where every organisation including the good ones (like our family business) are turned into a public sector company

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's because freedom is usually VERY restricted under Communism, which happens due to the leaders sometime becoming dictators.