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What is the purpose of your life?

What are morals to an atheist?

The purpose in living is what one deems it to be. If someone wants nothing more than content, that is their purpose. Nobody needs to have a special place they get to go to when they die for being "good". Purpose in life being the afterlife seems rather antithetical at any rate.

This video will explain these things better than I would be able to. Not that I couldn't answer your question, it's just a rather daunting subject, and I wish it to be properly explained, which would take more time than I am willing to give.
 

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well for the second quote, god is simply telling him you cannot see my true face, because he would perish if he did, all he did was see his face/ vision dream. your 3RD wow man your totaly misenterpreting scripter, god is saying isreal is his chosen people, they were in bondage and were suffering god told moses to tell the pharoah let his people go, and the other quote is talking about the tripe of ephraim, it was a man at one point but he isnt refering to a man.
4TH im qouting someone btw calvin wrote this The force of… “it repented the Lord,” may be gathered from… “it grieved Him at His heart.” This shows that the repentance of God does not presuppose any variableness in His nature or His purposes. In this sense God never repents of anything….The repentance of God is an anthropomorphic expression for the pain and of the divine love at the sin of man, and signifies that “God is hurt no less by the atrocious sins of men than if they pierced His heart with mortal anguish (Calvin)
5th we can conclude that this is a copyist error that should have read Merab. "Many scholars substitute Merab for Michal in 2 Sam. 21:8, regarding it as an ancient scribal error, saying that after her death her sons were hanged to atone for Saul’s slaughter of the Gibeonites, a breaking of Israel’s covenant
6TH And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen…"Chariots" are not in the text here... but it is supplied from (1 Chronicles 18:4) where the word is expressly mentioned...which may be reconciled by observing, with Kimchi and Abarbinel, that here the chief officers are meant, there all the chariots and horsemen that were under their command are mentioned, which together made up that large number; or else here are meant the ranks and companies of horses David took, which were seven hundred; and these having ten in a company or rank, made seven thousand and there the complement of soldiers in those companies and ranks are intended.

David Guzik's Commentaries on the Bible agrees with the King James reading and makes no attempt to change it, saying: "David took from him one thousand chariots, seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand foot soldiers. Also David hamstrung all the chariot horses, except that he spared enough of them for one hundred chariots.
skipping to 26 this is a good example of an dumb reason to call something a contraditcion these two accounts give light on everything Luke explains what happened later, after Judas body began to decompose. The corpse slipped from the rope, falling headlong....burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out—the ignominious, yet deserved end of "the son of perdition two things, that didnt happen at the same time
IN THE END THE FACT IS NOWONE CAN ANSWER HOW THIS MIDDLEASTERN MEN HAD ALL THESE TRUE FACTS ABOUT THE ENTIRE WORLD, THE CREATOR GAVE THEM THE INFORMATION, THATS THE ONLY LOGICAL EXPLANATION

those are some heavy words there.... all of these things are true? and how is that logical?

"Each and everyone of us goes through life bound to our own knowledge and individual perception. But, knowledge and perception are eqivocal. One person's reality may be an illusion. We all live in our own fantasies. Don't you agree sasuke?" - The late great itachi uchiha.

this is what i love absolutely most about naruto. it is so gripping not only sensory wise and emotionally, but it is deep in its philosophy, which makes me applaude kishi everytime i read naruto.
 

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the tex you believe in? tell me more about them bro, none compare to the christian bible

in this thread? ._.

well for the second quote, god is simply telling him you cannot see my true face, because he would perish if he did, all he did was see his face/ vision dream. your 3RD wow man your totaly misenterpreting scripter, god is saying isreal is his chosen people, they were in bondage and were suffering god told moses to tell the pharoah let his people go, and the other quote is talking about the tripe of ephraim, it was a man at one point but he isnt refering to a man.
4TH im qouting someone btw calvin wrote this The force of… “it repented the Lord,” may be gathered from… “it grieved Him at His heart.” This shows that the repentance of God does not presuppose any variableness in His nature or His purposes. In this sense God never repents of anything….The repentance of God is an anthropomorphic expression for the pain and of the divine love at the sin of man, and signifies that “God is hurt no less by the atrocious sins of men than if they pierced His heart with mortal anguish (Calvin)
5th we can conclude that this is a copyist error that should have read Merab. "Many scholars substitute Merab for Michal in 2 Sam. 21:8, regarding it as an ancient scribal error, saying that after her death her sons were hanged to atone for Saul’s slaughter of the Gibeonites, a breaking of Israel’s covenant
6TH And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen…"Chariots" are not in the text here... but it is supplied from (1 Chronicles 18:4) where the word is expressly mentioned...which may be reconciled by observing, with Kimchi and Abarbinel, that here the chief officers are meant, there all the chariots and horsemen that were under their command are mentioned, which together made up that large number; or else here are meant the ranks and companies of horses David took, which were seven hundred; and these having ten in a company or rank, made seven thousand and there the complement of soldiers in those companies and ranks are intended.

David Guzik's Commentaries on the Bible agrees with the King James reading and makes no attempt to change it, saying: "David took from him one thousand chariots, seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand foot soldiers. Also David hamstrung all the chariot horses, except that he spared enough of them for one hundred chariots.
skipping to 26 this is a good example of an dumb reason to call something a contraditcion these two accounts give light on everything Luke explains what happened later, after Judas body began to decompose. The corpse slipped from the rope, falling headlong....burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out—the ignominious, yet deserved end of "the son of perdition two things, that didnt happen at the same time
IN THE END THE FACT IS NOWONE CAN ANSWER HOW THIS MIDDLEASTERN MEN HAD ALL THESE TRUE FACTS ABOUT THE ENTIRE WORLD, THE CREATOR GAVE THEM THE INFORMATION, THATS THE ONLY LOGICAL EXPLANATION

you also need to know that I quoted the Errors from one of a former priest from hundreds, who will possibly have pretty good knowledge of Bible.
 
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The purpose in living is what one deems it to be. If someone wants nothing more than content, that is their purpose. Nobody needs to have a special place they get to go to when they die for being "good". Purpose in life being the afterlife seems rather antithetical at any rate.

This video will explain these things better than I would be able to. Not that I couldn't answer your question, it's just a rather daunting subject, and I wish it to be properly explained, which would take more time than I am willing to give.
See here this fellow. At the first read through of his post you might think hes the anti thesis to your argument Mr scientist. However i think he has more in common with you than you think. You both share an affinity for videos that "change your life", you both talk like if its a good thing, and you both have just the strongest conviction in thinking youre right.

Go live youre life. Please dont ever stop being who you are. Cause you know . . . . . thats all that matters.
 

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Believe what u want cos it's not gonna change u.
 

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God exist to people who believe in him, and doesn't to people who don't, simple as that.
 

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in this thread? ._.



you also need to know that I quoted the Errors from one of a former priest from hundreds, who will possibly have pretty good knowledge of Bible.
lmaoyou quoted only one prophet? thats a good one, hearing you say helps me understand what you actualy know and if you just googled bible contraditcions or something.. yeah in this thread you said something about your sacred text?
 

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those are some heavy words there.... all of these things are true? and how is that logical?

"Each and everyone of us goes through life bound to our own knowledge and individual perception. But, knowledge and perception are eqivocal. One person's reality may be an illusion. We all live in our own fantasies. Don't you agree sasuke?" - The late great itachi uchiha.

this is what i love absolutely most about naruto. it is so gripping not only sensory wise and emotionally, but it is deep in its philosophy, which makes me applaude kishi everytime i read naruto.
seriously bro, lay off the naruto, you cant use naruto logic in real life in the end you cant answer how these middle eastern men knew all these true facts, and proofs about the world when in that time period they coudnt have known, with your logical us knowing that earth is round may not be true because we might somehow might be in madaras genjutsu? only some naruto philosphy can be related to reality.
 

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alittle off topic but whats your stand on abortion? >_> and yeha it really depend son the person for example there are soem preists taht rape little kids this doens't mean all preists are rapists, some atheists have morals it doens't mean they all do.

i myself from my regious morals i will never have *** until theres a ring on my finegr allowing me to :D abrotion is wrong i don't hate people for getting abrtions/being gay but i do disagree on abortion being legal same goes with same *** marrage. and something i find hard to do but try to, love everyone even if they've wronged me. we are all the same after all we're all human

I'm neutral/pro-choice towards abortion. I don't accept the killing of a human life but it's not my body, not my life- you want an abortion, don't ask me- you're the one in charge of you life and how you decide to do things.
I also accept homosexuality, why should it matter to me? it doesn't bother me nor does it cause me any pain. I have two mothers and so what? It's the same as having a mother and father, I live a normal life like any of my friends. Should they get married? sure, why not? I have nothing against it- if a damn book written by humankind starts to state stupidity, I will not follow it. I base my morals in what is right and makes people happy, not to please selfish individuals who cant stop being narrow minded bigots for once. If anything, I would vote off that those people who always want to discriminate all minorities, should get send to another planet.
Hatred is what stops us from achieving peace.
And:
My mother is a christian and my other one is catholic. Both agree and push that I should try to have a religion because they believe in God and Jesus.
I accept Jesus Christ and tend to lean towards Christianity at times, but don't get me wrong, there's so much BS in the bible that it's ridiculous. People make a big deal about homosexuality being a big sin, when there's more than just that one.
Society as a whole wants to shape up a perfect community, there afraid and cant accept what they cant understand. It's rather pathetic and sad to watch. It's always the minority that gets treated like cr*p because mankind is evil and twisted. First it was blacks cant marry white because it was 'unnatural' and that god saw slavery as right..really? Read "Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave"
It was religious people, who dared pray to god and act like what they did was alright in his eyes, who killed, enslaved humans just because of their skin color, something they couldn't change.

Funny thing that you brought it up, because there the minority I will help in my life time. Specially for those who live in the middle east. I'm sick of watching people being treated like they do for something that shouldn't matter. Even if it kills me, I'm not afraid to change the bigotry of the universe.
I may not be religious but I'm a better person than most of the population in this world. People just seem to forget one thing that truly matters at the end.​
 

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I'm neutral/pro-choice towards abortion. I don't accept the killing of a human life but it's not my body, not my life- you want an abortion, don't ask me- you're the one in charge of you life and how you decide to do things.
I also accept homosexuality, why should it matter to me? it doesn't bother me nor does it cause me any pain. I have two mothers and so what? It's the same as having a mother and father, I live a normal life like any of my friends. Should they get married? sure, why not? I have nothing against it- if a damn book written by humankind starts to state stupidity, I will not follow it. I base my morals in what is right and makes people happy, not to please selfish individuals who cant stop being narrow minded bigots for once. If anything, I would vote off that those people who always want to discriminate all minorities, should get send to another planet.
Hatred is what stops us from achieving peace.
And:
My mother is a christian and my other one is catholic. Both agree and push that I should try to have a religion because they believe in God and Jesus.
I accept Jesus Christ and tend to lean towards Christianity at times, but don't get me wrong, there's so much BS in the bible that it's ridiculous. People make a big deal about homosexuality being a big sin, when there's more than just that one.
Society as a whole wants to shape up a perfect community, there afraid and cant accept what they cant understand. It's rather pathetic and sad to watch. It's always the minority that gets treated like cr*p because mankind is evil and twisted. First it was blacks cant marry white because it was 'unnatural' and that god saw slavery as right..really? Read "Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave"
It was religious people, who dared pray to god and act like what they did was alright in his eyes, who killed, enslaved humans just because of their skin color, something they couldn't change.

Funny thing that you brought it up, because there the minority I will help in my life time. Specially for those who live in the middle east. I'm sick of watching people being treated like they do for something that shouldn't matter. Even if it kills me, I'm not afraid to change the bigotry of the universe.
I may not be religious but I'm a better person than most of the population in this world. People just seem to forget one thing that truly matters at the end.​
Hey princess why dont you get off your high horse already.

"Better than most people in the population" Oooh yeaah suure buddy youre a one in a billion phenomena huh. Wonder how a person of your caliber ended up coming and posting to the same thread as all of us.
 

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Hey princess why dont you get off your high horse already.

"Better than most people in the population" Oooh yeaah suure buddy youre a one in a billion phenomena huh. Wonder how a person of your caliber ended up coming and posting to the same thread as all of us.
you sir are a perfect example o a lobster pulling down another in a bucket, the famous example of other human beings pulling eachother down for whatever reason.
he has morals, dreams wants to achieve something positive and hes on a highhorse? how did he get to this thread? well he saw it and posted, as simple as that, stop trying to put people down.
 

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I didn't even click on the video and I disagree with you =DD Any problem?
 

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you sir are a perfect example o a lobster pulling down another in a bucket, the famous example of other human beings pulling eachother down for whatever reason.
he has morals, dreams wants to achieve something positive and hes on a highhorse? how did he get to this thread? well he saw it and posted, as simple as that, stop trying to put people down.

I guess in a way hes better than you are.
 

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I guess in a way hes better than you are.
good job ignoring the fact that your a simple lobster puling him down, simply because hes trying to do something positive, and has morals, im not going to compare myself to someone i dont know. what you need to do is get a goal and ambition because what your doing now is pathetic.
 

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See here this fellow. At the first read through of his post you might think hes the anti thesis to your argument Mr scientist. However i think he has more in common with you than you think. You both share an affinity for videos that "change your life", you both talk like if its a good thing, and you both have just the strongest conviction in thinking youre right.

Go live youre life. Please dont ever stop being who you are. Cause you know . . . . . thats all that matters.

How did I show a "strong conviction" in thinking I'm right? I never showed an affinity for anything, in fact, all I said was that the video provides a good explanation and I didn't want to take the time to explain it myself.

I don't understand your comparison. I posted a video link. That is all. I was and still am agnostic and had my own set of moral principles long before I watched that video, it was hardly a life changing experience.

On a completely unrelated note, I'm completely fine with someone believing in god but I ask that you don't look down on those who don't. The same goes for atheists.
 

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Hey princess why dont you get off your high horse already.

"Better than most people in the population" Oooh yeaah suure buddy youre a one in a billion phenomena huh. Wonder how a person of your caliber ended up coming and posting to the same thread as all of us.


I do believe I am and just because you don't have an ambition, it doesn't mean I don't- I will continue to look forward and try to change things in this world. I'm not saying I'm the only person, I have met others that's why I said "better than most" not "the best of all"
BUT!
You're a great example of those people who make this world into a rotten hell. It's alright though, you're lucky I'm not the type of guy who cares about people like you that only seek to be obstacles for others.

you sir are a perfect example o a lobster pulling down another in a bucket, the famous example of other human beings pulling eachother down for whatever reason.
he has morals, dreams wants to achieve something positive and hes on a highhorse? how did he get to this thread? well he saw it and posted, as simple as that, stop trying to put people down.

good job ignoring the fact that your a simple lobster puling him down, simply because hes trying to do something positive, and has morals, im not going to compare myself to someone i dont know. what you need to do is get a goal and ambition because what your doing now is pathetic.

It's alright, don't worry or argue with the foolish. He just hasn't lived life yet to understand or at least hasn't seen the world for what it truly is..but thank you for trying to defend me :)
 

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lmaoyou quoted only one prophet? thats a good one, hearing you say helps me understand what you actualy know and if you just googled bible contraditcions or something..
now where did I say a prophet? And whats the problem if I quoted an ex- christian priests message? Shall I link you there?
I said a priest. I believe in prophets. I even asked you to check out a Bible you trust, you will find the same errors I mentioned. It doesn't matter how I got the info. it matters if its true or not.

yeah in this thread you said something about your sacred text?
ok then..I start with this:

and take some time to read . If you have any questions VM me..because I don't want to go off topic.
 
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I would just like to start by saying that I respect Stephen Hawking and I very much like the fact that in the video (which I found interesting and compelling) he took the time to say on several different occasions that he is not trying to offend anyone with his views. I also like that he explained everything so perfectly. Nobody wants to listen to someone who blindly believes in something without understanding or explaining it, so the fact that he patiently explained everything and it made a lot of sense was very refreshing.

However, personally, I believe in God. Why?
I have a few reasons, actually.
I believe that "God", in the essence of the concept, is an infinitesimal and unexplainable being that does not adhere to the laws of nature because if God is really as almighty as people claim, he or "it", whatever "God" is, simply doesn't need to. Does he or "it" personally see to our every day lives? Maybe not. But there are some things that even science can't explain, and no one can argue with me there.

Hawking explained away the need for a creator due to the fact that no time existed before the Big Bang. OK...but can we really prove that? Or if time doesn't exist within a black hole and yet a black hole still exists, than can mean that God can exist without time, can't it?

Also...he used the subatomic particles of a coffee cup to explain the spontaneous existence of the universe. Very good theory, except with one defining flaw: those elements of the coffee cup already existed. If they hadn't, would that spontaneous existence even have been possible? I don't think so.

I guess the question I'm trying to pose above all is: Why can't science and religion go hand in hand? Do I believe God is some overly-prejudiced guy with a beard sitting on a cloud and spying on us, never following any laws? No. But I do believe, as I said before, that he or it is a being that we cannot understand and may be so powerful that while he or it usually follow those laws, he or it doesn't have to.

I also believe that while you can't prove God exists, you can't disprove him, either. What Hawking said is a theory, not fact, people! It is not fact, nor has it ever been proven, that time did not exist before the Big Bang, or whether that would even be a relevant factor concerning God.

Let's just...try to be tolerant, OK?

PS: I just thought of something else. What about the concept of love? My big brother is an atheist and I love and respect the hell out of him, just so you know, but he is not my biological brother, so how can you explain me loving him, or my adopted parents, as a biological sibling or offspring would love them? There is no chemical telling me to love them because they're blood or whatever...it is something that cannot be explained. Or if it can, I'd be open to hearing it, but as far as what my brother tells me, he (at the very base) loves his wife because hormones tell us to reproduce and he loves his children because they are his offspring and so nature tells him to. Well...there is no chemical, like I said, telling me to do any of that. So how do you explain me loving my family, hm?

Also, I'd like to point out that love falls under one of those things that science cannot explain. It is not in any way logical.

So, following that trail of thought, why can't God exist?

Simply put: why the heck not? Is it really such a bad thing?

Going back to science and religion going hand in hand, just saying...

I am really trying here to state my opinions as thoughtfully as possible and explain the reasoning behind my views so I do not come across as blindly convicted (since I am not), and if I offend anyone in any way, I am sorry, but these are my views and I am open to debate so long as you also try not to be offensive and explain yourself. OK?

:)

Also, sorry...but the to creator of this topic: I personally think it is a little sad that you were swayed so easily from your views over a 42 minute video... I am not saying that to be mean, just saying...I dunno...stand for something or you'll fall for anything, I suppose. I think it's great that you are so firm in your beliefs now, and if that is what moves you, more power to you. Truly. But I have lived my life taking in different viewpoints and pondering for very long periods the reasoning behind them, their logic or lack thereof, and pretty much every other component concerning them before I settled on any opinion of my own. I would just like to politely suggest that you consider doing the same. Especially before attempting to sway others, seeing as the human race as a whole has a tendency to stupidly jump on the bandwagon.

One more thing. (This is turning out to be way longer than I originally intended, and for that I apologize...)

Take a look a this:

I think you will find it enlightening. I know I did.
 
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science is not complete, facts change at an alarming pace. and no scientist can possibly say that something does not exist until it's proven that it doesn't. until a few years ago scientists were stumped as to why a bumblebee could fly, does that mean that before that bumblebees were just a figment of our imagination? no, it only means that science was too young to catch up. there are many intuitive truths which science has yet to develop enough to explain fully.
 
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