Sorry, I like Itachi but,
Itachi is fodder compared to Lord Tobi.
Kamui> All non-space-time related techniques.
Itachi is fodder compared to Lord Tobi.
Kamui> All non-space-time related techniques.
"could have", "if", pure assumptions. everyone "could have" killed someone "if" they can..got it?Dude u dont understand -.-
Itachi could have taken necessary steps. I know he wont cuz he didnt know. But were talking about if he was able to not if he really did. Thought its kinda obvious since Itachi is dead yet...
thank you for bringing that upItachi fanboys will make you hate the character. Tobi was never scared of him even though he stated that he would have been dead if Itachi knew his secret. Just remember how Tobi reacted when Kabuto summoned the coffins of Deidara, Sasori, Kakuzu, Itachi and Nagato...it didn't change his mind. He was even on the verge of attacking Kabuto before he summoned Madara....someone Kabuto noted would be the only reason why Tobi won't attack (something along that line)
...and that's when Tobi gave up the battle. Even then, he said that such a 6-on-1 battle will drain him before the war.
Remember that even Pein said that he would have been defeated if Jiraiya knew his secret. Would that also mean that Pein was scared of Jiraiya? Chances are even if Jiraiya was fully briefed of all of Pein's skills set....the conclusion of the battle would still have been inevitable.
Konan knew of Tobi's secret but that didn't change the outcome.
Itachi is an incredible character and will battle Tobi well....but to think that he scares Tobi is pushing the limit of fanboyism.
I would believe it. Tobito lied about quite a few things so why not this just to keep up the charade?I have been seeing people say that Tobi was scared of Itachi and then claiming that Itachi>Tobi so I wanted to make this thread.
This is the VIZ translation of the manga, this what Tobi ACTUALLY said.
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Again, read the page cause he never said that, he said "If I hadn't kept a few secrets from him i'd be dead right now" when Amaterasu hit him not in a fight, the quote never mentioned anything about a fight, you are just twisting Tobi's words to fit your argument.
And don't you mean that you can't explain how he counters Kamui.
Danzo's goons fought 2 on 1, the only reason they hit hi is because it was 2 on 1, Itachi is by himself.
Guy was with Naruto, Bee and Kakashi so that's also invalid.
I didn't ask for an example on how others beat it, I want an example on how Itachi beats it.
wow...dude are you serious?? these guys have come up with rational reasons that even you should be able to appreciate...they've even shown you from the perspective that you can't say he would either win or lose, cuz based on evidence of the characters we wouldn't know and could ONLY speculate...no 'fence but you sound super fanboy-ish...jus saying cuz it doesn't sound very rationale...anyway you are obviously going to the death with this one and it doesn't matter what logical or rational explanation people put you seem to not consider them at all...best of luck to you.Listing evidence of how Kamui has been countered is pointless if Itachi can't replicate those situations; what don't you people understand about that simple concept.
All you are saying is since this person countered it Itachi can counter it, which is completely false.
You also shouldn't be insulting my argument since you have no argument.
If the people you have in examples overcame the Jutsu they were faced with then they beat it, answer this how does Itachi beat Kamui.
I never said Kamui was invincible, YOU are the one who came up with that stupid conclusion just because Tobi trumps Itachi with it, and do I have to go over this again, if you don't understand this time around then you're just hopeless.
Konan- Had Prep Time, Itachi doesn't have this.
Minato- Had FTG, Itachi doesn't have this now does he.
Kakashi- Kamui- Itachi doesn't have this either
Itachi can't use clones and substitutions the whole fight, so your counter fails.
First of all he was referring to that moment, not in an actual fight.
Second of all, You are just assuming that he was talking about Kamui when he was obviously referring to whatever he used to escape that Amaterasu.
It would be a fact..if Tobi had actually said that Itachi can counter Kamui in the manga...keep on assuming,
They aren't rational; a simple question was asked and they can't answer it it's as simple as that.wow...dude are you serious?? these guys have come up with rational reasons that even you should be able to appreciate...they've even shown you from the perspective that you can't say he would either win or lose, cuz based on evidence of the characters we wouldn't know and could ONLY speculate...no 'fence but you sound super fanboy-ish...jus saying cuz it doesn't sound very rationale...anyway you are obviously going to the death with this one and it doesn't matter what logical or rational explanation people put you seem to not consider them at all...best of luck to you.
Clones aren't durable unless their Naruto's so they aren't good for long battles since Itachi doesn't have the chakra to spam clones like Naruto.....any other fail replies you want to give?cuz we both know itachi can't make any clones to attack with...oohhh wait...that's right...he cannnnnn...*smh* - any other excuses?
If he's intangible Tsukuyomi can't hit him since he's not this dimension.and how pray tell does tobi counter tsukyomi? feel free to let me know bud...
U still dont get the point. Did u even read through the conversation? I never said "IF itachi knew his secret he could kill him, so Itachi>Tobi""could have", "if", pure assumptions. everyone "could have" killed someone "if" they can..got it?
lets have some examples taken from the manga.
jiraiya "could have" killed pain "if" he knew his secret.
kisame "could have" avoided the morning tiger "if" he knew the secret of gai's jutsu
asuma "could have" won against hidan "if" he knew his secret.
etc, etc.
thank you for bringing that up
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after seeing this first 5 line up of kabuto, with ITACHI in it, tobi never displays fear. proof that he doesn't care much about this lineup anymore. the only time he changed his mind is when he saw his master summoned.
concrete fact. case close.
Of course hes not going to come right out and say that, but base what he said, it was pretty much giving the ideal that he was thoughNo where in the manga did Tobi say he feared Itachi.
lol I dont know if you understand proper english or its just really your IQ.going by manga facts itachi didn't knew tobi's secret that is why if we based on those facts that means tobi>itachi. because tobi's secret will give an advantage for him if they fight.and no itachi will never counter kamui, he doesn't have anything that will kill tobi. even bee,naruto,kakashi and gai can't hit him if it wasn't for the same technique kakashi possessed. so basically only kakashi has the capability to counter tobi's kamui. and of course minato's ftg, but that was before when, Im guessing, tobi doesnt have much experience in using his ability yet.U still dont get the point. Did u even read through the conversation? I never said "IF itachi knew his secret he could kill him, so Itachi>Tobi"
I mentioned that Itachi was able to counter more than we think he could (even gave a manga evidence). Like Kisame could have avoided Gais Taijutsu, like IF Jiraya knew Pains secret he could win. But they didnt. So would Itachi? We dont know cuz they never fought.
U dont have to show me that Tobi wasnt scared of edo Itachi cuz I never said sth like he did. I even said some pages ago "I think Tobi wasnt scared of Itachi" so wtf u want to tell me??