[Predictions] Naruto Manga 436 Predictions / 435 Discussion
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So, what have we learned, and whould would win an all out fight?
In the beginning of this battle Sauske had an incomplete Magekenyo Sharingan, if the one he used against Madara was even his to begin with. And to top it off, Sauske was still recovering from his fight with Itachi.
I have to say, either way you look at it, Sauske would have won this battle. I think there is only one reason, and one reason alone that he didn't: He was trying to capture KB, not kill him, and regardless of the mindless input from Suigetsu, this makes a world of difference. KB didn't have to worry about catching Sauske, he just had to kill him. This is a much more simple and straight forward task.
I will even go so far as to say that Sauske could have beaten KB even without Magekenyo Sharingan, if he had just been out to kill him.
I will take it one step further, and piss off a lot of people, and say that he more-than-likely could have killed Itachi if Itachi hadn't had his legendary armor.
Sauske was being held back by his need to capture KB, there were no such strings involved with the aitachi fight. Sauske was out for blood. That new Ninjutsu of his utilize lightning itself. Sauske knew he needed something faster than Itachi in order to beat him (I would say Itachi is the third fastest ninja in the series if you count Minato and Madaras space/time jutsu as raw speed), and no ninja can out run lightning. Period.
So if KB and Sauske ever met up again, all he would have to do is use that technique and it would be a one shot KO.
You might say that this, especially combined with his Magekenyo Sharingan, which I think is more perfect than Itachi's, as Madara predicted it would be, makes Sauske to powerful. I would say you're right, and you're wrong.
The question is: too powerful for who?
I think that with these two fights, Sauske VS KB and Sauske VS Itachi, we are starting to see Sauske become more of an even match for Naruto so that he may once agin, some day, reclaim his rightful place as antagonist. I actually think Sauske has a little bit to go before catching up with Naruto, especially when you consider that wind nature is strong against lightning natured ninjitsu. Sauske has been favoring lightning-nature ever since he learned chidori, and we haven't seen a whole lot of fire from him.
Now on to a few other points:
I think Sauske chose his team carefully, and he was well aware of each persons unique abilities. It is unclear to me weither or not he set them up soley for the purpose of tracking and taking down Itachi, but it seems to me that there is more too it.
Karin: Chakra sensor-type. Ale t sense chakra at long distances, track it, and predict its next movement. She also has the ability to heal a person by allowing them to 'suck' her chakra.
Suigetsu: Ninjitsu water-element type. Possibly able to use the 'Water Release' skill that the second Hokage was famous for. Skilled swordsman, fairly strong.
Jugo: Originator of the 'Cursed Seal' Kekkai Genkai. It appears he is unable to reproduce the seal on others himself. Posses shape-shifting like abilities. Exceptionally strong. Able to give his flesh and chakra to those who can handle the cursed seal in order to heal them, but it appears that doing so puts him in an extremely vaulnerable 'child-like' state.
Add in Sauske's skills and you hve one heck of a team lineup.
I know I promised to make a Madara/Itachi theory, but I am pretty tired. This analysis took longer than I thought because there was such a treasure-trove of information in the fight with KB. I will get to it tommorow, if I have the time. Sorry.
In the beginning of this battle Sauske had an incomplete Magekenyo Sharingan, if the one he used against Madara was even his to begin with. And to top it off, Sauske was still recovering from his fight with Itachi.
I have to say, either way you look at it, Sauske would have won this battle. I think there is only one reason, and one reason alone that he didn't: He was trying to capture KB, not kill him, and regardless of the mindless input from Suigetsu, this makes a world of difference. KB didn't have to worry about catching Sauske, he just had to kill him. This is a much more simple and straight forward task.
I will even go so far as to say that Sauske could have beaten KB even without Magekenyo Sharingan, if he had just been out to kill him.
I will take it one step further, and piss off a lot of people, and say that he more-than-likely could have killed Itachi if Itachi hadn't had his legendary armor.
Sauske was being held back by his need to capture KB, there were no such strings involved with the aitachi fight. Sauske was out for blood. That new Ninjutsu of his utilize lightning itself. Sauske knew he needed something faster than Itachi in order to beat him (I would say Itachi is the third fastest ninja in the series if you count Minato and Madaras space/time jutsu as raw speed), and no ninja can out run lightning. Period.
So if KB and Sauske ever met up again, all he would have to do is use that technique and it would be a one shot KO.
You might say that this, especially combined with his Magekenyo Sharingan, which I think is more perfect than Itachi's, as Madara predicted it would be, makes Sauske to powerful. I would say you're right, and you're wrong.
The question is: too powerful for who?
I think that with these two fights, Sauske VS KB and Sauske VS Itachi, we are starting to see Sauske become more of an even match for Naruto so that he may once agin, some day, reclaim his rightful place as antagonist. I actually think Sauske has a little bit to go before catching up with Naruto, especially when you consider that wind nature is strong against lightning natured ninjitsu. Sauske has been favoring lightning-nature ever since he learned chidori, and we haven't seen a whole lot of fire from him.
Now on to a few other points:
I think Sauske chose his team carefully, and he was well aware of each persons unique abilities. It is unclear to me weither or not he set them up soley for the purpose of tracking and taking down Itachi, but it seems to me that there is more too it.
Karin: Chakra sensor-type. Ale t sense chakra at long distances, track it, and predict its next movement. She also has the ability to heal a person by allowing them to 'suck' her chakra.
Suigetsu: Ninjitsu water-element type. Possibly able to use the 'Water Release' skill that the second Hokage was famous for. Skilled swordsman, fairly strong.
Jugo: Originator of the 'Cursed Seal' Kekkai Genkai. It appears he is unable to reproduce the seal on others himself. Posses shape-shifting like abilities. Exceptionally strong. Able to give his flesh and chakra to those who can handle the cursed seal in order to heal them, but it appears that doing so puts him in an extremely vaulnerable 'child-like' state.
Add in Sauske's skills and you hve one heck of a team lineup.
I know I promised to make a Madara/Itachi theory, but I am pretty tired. This analysis took longer than I thought because there was such a treasure-trove of information in the fight with KB. I will get to it tommorow, if I have the time. Sorry.
I look at how Pain fights and what he does. Then I think about what Konan said about the attack 'shortening his life'. I think when Pain said that his secret is what saved him from Jiraiya it's because he can only use a certain amount of techniques before having some negative effect on his body. I doubt it has anything to do with the raw amount of chakra that Nagato has but more to do with a possible strain from constantly using different kinds in a shortened period of time. The only other thing I can imagine is Nagato got in a fight with someone who messed him up...BAD. So the only way he can 'move' at all is through other people.
Just thinkin out loud.
As far as the fight, Naruto still has another KB. If Pain doesn't kill the other toad then Naruto may be alright. I'm not gonna rule out that Naruto can lose. Guy/Neji/Tenten/Rock will probably be the ones to help him.........
Just thinkin out loud.
As far as the fight, Naruto still has another KB. If Pain doesn't kill the other toad then Naruto may be alright. I'm not gonna rule out that Naruto can lose. Guy/Neji/Tenten/Rock will probably be the ones to help him.........
I think Sasuke's genjutsu will win against Naruto. Naruto has to control the 9tails to counter that. Plus their is no way Naruto can do anything against Sasuke's black flame. Naruto needs more training.
The number priority right now is finding out Pain's secret. We know Jiraiya's code.
The code implies "the real one isn't with them". But is that all the code says?
The number priority right now is finding out Pain's secret. We know Jiraiya's code.
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The code implies "the real one isn't with them". But is that all the code says?
Okay...*looks around weary eyed* ...I have solidified both theories I wanted to solidify tonight. Sauske is stronger than KB (and I also noted that Sauske mightve been stronger than Itachi) and that Sharingan can see through clones.
If anyone wants to debate either of these points, feel free. I honestly had a great time last night and this morning debating those of you I debated, although I am slightly saddened that one post of contradictions by Ssanimo and he deserves a medal, I counter his posts tit-for-tat style, and counter some others, and I don't even get spit on. LOL You darn turn-coats! Don't abandon ship so quickly next time. I'll bail us out! You know who you are, I won't name names. :x
If anyone wants to debate either of these points, feel free. I honestly had a great time last night and this morning debating those of you I debated, although I am slightly saddened that one post of contradictions by Ssanimo and he deserves a medal, I counter his posts tit-for-tat style, and counter some others, and I don't even get spit on.
LOL You darn turn-coats! Don't abandon ship so quickly next time. I'll bail us out! You know who you are, I won't name names. :xDredblack7, I see you! @.@ <--- Sharingan. I can count on you to counter my arguments, right? I need something to think about. I accidently overloaded my brain with those last posts and need to kick-start it again!
I need something to think about. I accidently overloaded my brain with those last posts and need to kick-start it again! 
dredblack7
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Hey Bro, whats good?Okay...*looks around weary eyed* ...I have solidified both theories I wanted to solidify tonight. Sauske is stronger than KB (and I also noted that Sauske mightve been stronger than Itachi) and that Sharingan can see through clones.
If anyone wants to debate either of these points, feel free. I honestly had a great time last night and this morning debating those of you I debated, although I am slightly saddened that one post of contradictions by Ssanimo and he deserves a medal, I counter his posts tit-for-tat style, and counter some others, and I don't even get spit on.
anyways I just wanted to say that im not sure we've seen all that KillerBee can do yet, he may have just wanted to get rid of Team Hawk as quickly as he could without prolonging things to a dangerous level....probably because Raikage would've sent out reinforcements? or because he wanted more freedom to use his Bijuu to his fullest extent with no limitations by the Raikage...
but I'm beginning to agree with the points you've made regarding Sasuke's inferior state due to his powerhouse "Orochimaru-Chakra Reserve/Skills" being removed by Itachi and his crippled Mental State thanks to Madara.
Hmmm, I don't think so. Two things:
1. Regarding KB just wanting to escape - I think this was a side-effect of the fight, a happy coincidence of circumstance as far as KB is concerned. Habachi, however, says that he lost several tails in the fight with Sauske in order to protect KB.
2. Im pretty sure if you see your resident Jinkuuri going full fledged "beast mode" (It makes me sad that Kishi would so blatantly steal the Bleach Cero like that.
) then you definatley don't want any of your other shinobis messing around in the fght. Either KB wouldve killed them as collateral damage, or Amaterasu would have done them in.Either way, when you think about it, Sauske was a worthy enough opponent for the Eight Tails Jinkuuri to feel tha his best odds of winning were to go beast mode. That's saying something.
Also, how come Sauske couldn't pop into KBs mind and *poof* Habachi like he did Kyuubi?
The only theoy I can come up with, based on what we see in the manga, is that the technique he used to do that is considered a Genjutsu, which won't work on KB.
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I think the Sharingan only has control over the Kyuubi...might be the Kyuubi's only weakness...(the product of the god Tengu's offspring Uchiha must've given him some sort of control over the greatest Demonic chakra there is...)
(yes i did read it XD, it was awesome)
Now I wouldn't go as far as to say the Sharingan has control over all the Tailed Beasts, just the Kyuubi. This may be the reason for Sasuke's inability to disable the Hachibi within KillerBee.
(yes i did read it XD, it was awesome)
Now I wouldn't go as far as to say the Sharingan has control over all the Tailed Beasts, just the Kyuubi. This may be the reason for Sasuke's inability to disable the Hachibi within KillerBee.
I've got this thing about using a thedory to back up a theory, so I will have to hold off on that until the Tengu Theory is confirmed.
As for Sharingan being able to contrl only Kyuubi, I don't buy it. My theory sounds more plausable.
When you think about it the ONLY link we have between Kyuubi and th Sharingan is Madara Uchiha.And with that, Im off to bed.
J-Man, when you get on I expect to see you read all my posts! Oar Elease! @.@ <---- Sharingan! Besides, I need more input. As much as I enjoy Dredblack7 and Roclee, they are uncannily quite on my posts. -.-;
Goodnight all! Hope you enjoyed my analysis, or at least got something out of it. I know I did.
So far, I haven't seen much predictions for 436. Would anyone like to start? We all know it has to do with Pain's 'secret'. Some people say Pain will talk about his past but it has to be more than that.
I think the real Pain is close by because Konan went to his Aid after he used that explosion jutsu. And we know the chakra receivers changes it's frequencies so no one will be able to find the source.
Couldn't they use the chakra receivers they have to locate the source like when you use a compass to find the North Pole.
I think the real Pain is close by because Konan went to his Aid after he used that explosion jutsu. And we know the chakra receivers changes it's frequencies so no one will be able to find the source.
Couldn't they use the chakra receivers they have to locate the source like when you use a compass to find the North Pole.
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First of all - HI everybody!!! I missed you all and now I am back to NB.
I think that this one will be tuff for naruto. He only has 5 seconds to kick his ass!xD
I dont even imagine what will naruto do.
I dont get one thing - whose were those eyes?
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However naruto and pain will do some talking about life and naruto will get pissed of, thats for sure!
At that time the older generation will searching for nagato. It seems they figured out something very important about pain. Lets just hope that it isnt like Lee's and Gai's gueses
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I don't think they know about Madara. Itachi went there to warn them not to harm Sasuke.
He may be referring to his "warehouse" of corpses, several chapters back we were shown that Pain keeps corpses, and that's when the new "lady" was chosen to replace one of his lost bodies.
How do we know his bijuu abilities have been taken? All we can say is he took his sage abilities and his normal ones.
If things go on like this, the clone will have to summon himself: Pa seems to be dead, Naruto's hands cannot move.
Some manga ago Ino said Pain was using a technique similar the her clan's. So that's not new.
Maybe he found out how to check for his real location. And I still wonder if he was referring to God realm.
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Sasuke Uzumaki
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Check this thread and you'll find out he should have already created about 4-5 threads!
Sharingan has control over the Kyuubi. But, according to mythology, the 9 tails rules over the rest, and I'm not trying to say "he's stronger than the rest" but that he can order them.
What I cannt remember is if the manga has ever mentioned the 9 tails can be their boss.
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Well in the name of debate I think I disagree.So, what have we learned, and whould would win an all out fight?
In the beginning of this battle Sauske had an incomplete Magekenyo Sharingan, if the one he used against Madara was even his to begin with. And to top it off, Sauske was still recovering from his fight with Itachi.
I have to say, either way you look at it, Sauske would have won this battle. I think there is only one reason, and one reason alone that he didn't: He was trying to capture KB, not kill him, and regardless of the mindless input from Suigetsu, this makes a world of difference. KB didn't have to worry about catching Sauske, he just had to kill him. This is a much more simple and straight forward task.
I will even go so far as to say that Sauske could have beaten KB even without Magekenyo Sharingan, if he had just been out to kill him.
I will take it one step further, and piss off a lot of people, and say that he more-than-likely could have killed Itachi if Itachi hadn't had his legendary armor.
Sauske was being held back by his need to capture KB, there were no such strings involved with the aitachi fight. Sauske was out for blood. That new Ninjutsu of his utilize lightning itself. Sauske knew he needed something faster than Itachi in order to beat him (I would say Itachi is the third fastest ninja in the series if you count Minato and Madaras space/time jutsu as raw speed), and no ninja can out run lightning. Period.
So if KB and Sauske ever met up again, all he would have to do is use that technique and it would be a one shot KO.
You might say that this, especially combined with his Magekenyo Sharingan, which I think is more perfect than Itachi's, as Madara predicted it would be, makes Sauske to powerful. I would say you're right, and you're wrong.
The question is: too powerful for who?
I think that with these two fights, Sauske VS KB and Sauske VS Itachi, we are starting to see Sauske become more of an even match for Naruto so that he may once agin, some day, reclaim his rightful place as antagonist. I actually think Sauske has a little bit to go before catching up with Naruto, especially when you consider that wind nature is strong against lightning natured ninjitsu. Sauske has been favoring lightning-nature ever since he learned chidori, and we haven't seen a whole lot of fire from him.
Now on to a few other points:
I think Sauske chose his team carefully, and he was well aware of each persons unique abilities. It is unclear to me weither or not he set them up soley for the purpose of tracking and taking down Itachi, but it seems to me that there is more too it.
Karin: Chakra sensor-type. Ale t sense chakra at long distances, track it, and predict its next movement. She also has the ability to heal a person by allowing them to 'suck' her chakra.
Suigetsu: Ninjitsu water-element type. Possibly able to use the 'Water Release' skill that the second Hokage was famous for. Skilled swordsman, fairly strong.
Jugo: Originator of the 'Cursed Seal' Kekkai Genkai. It appears he is unable to reproduce the seal on others himself. Posses shape-shifting like abilities. Exceptionally strong. Able to give his flesh and chakra to those who can handle the cursed seal in order to heal them, but it appears that doing so puts him in an extremely vaulnerable 'child-like' state.
Add in Sauske's skills and you hve one heck of a team lineup.
I know I promised to make a Madara/Itachi theory, but I am pretty tired. This analysis took longer than I thought because there was such a treasure-trove of information in the fight with KB. I will get to it tommorow, if I have the time. Sorry.
You overlooked a couple points
1-After the fight killerbee walked out totally unharmed. Even after getting drilled with Amatsamaru. Also Killerbee can use lightning. We've seen Sasuke use his body to ground lightning, it's possible KB can do the same.
2-After the fight the eight-tails said himself that KB had the advantage the entire fight.
Yes it's true Sasuke was at a few disadvantages, however, for KB to come out unharmed after fighting 3 people with a healer? One on One against KB sasuke wouldn't have a chance.
And also Sasuke was no where near as strong as Itachi. The only reason Itachi died was becuase he wanted to die. If Itachi didn't have this, or if he didn't have that dosen't matter. He did and Sasuke would have lost rather quickly if Itachi really wanted to kill Sasuke.
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