How does Hashirama beat Muu?

[OnPoint]

A very Old Oonoki was able to go toe to toe jinton spam with Edo Muu who has unlimited chakra and stamina. Imagine a prime Oonoki using his dust tech.

Muu being one of the best Sensors next to Naruto could tell the difference between Wood clones and the real hashi

The same Edo Muu who was incapable of using Jinton after he'd used his splitting technique once? What's prime Onoki's purpose here? He possesses greater Jinton feats than Muu - it's only the extras the latter possesses (like invisibility) which make him more of a threat.

Mokuton Kage Bunshins are not the same as normal shadow clones; there's nothing which suggests Muu can actually distinguish between the two with his sensing abilities, since Madara already stated he was the

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who could tell the difference (in those days) with the ocular powers the Sharingan grants.

 

[Strict]

A very Old Oonoki was able to go toe to toe jinton spam with Edo Muu who has unlimited chakra and stamina. Imagine a prime Oonoki using his dust tech.

Muu being one of the best Sensors next to Naruto could tell the difference between Wood clones and the real hashi

Not to mention that Tsunade has restored his Chakra from time to time. Oonokis Jinton was at least on pair with Muus. Being older doesn't make your Ninjutsu weaker, the opposite is the case since you are perfecting your technique for a longer period. Since Madara beat both, Muu and "prime" Oonoki without using his perfect Susanoo and also Hashirama was according to Madara far above the level of the 5 Kage together, it should be clear that Muu is a piece of trash compared to Hashirama. At least for those who are reading the Manga from right to left as it should be.

 

[MickNerks]

Hashirama cant beat Muu.. Muu has a better asenal. Hashirama has no counter for any of Muu's techniques.

 

[blackbird31468]

Being older doesn't make your Ninjutsu weaker, the opposite is the case since you are perfecting your technique for a longer period.

what about Hiruzen?

 

[Retsu]

dude, you're a hater I swear, going by your threadz Hashirama is fodder to all except Madara, which makes no sense, but how can you give a real analysis of this fight when you know absolutely nothing on how he would even proceed in a fight.

 

[Strict]

what about Hiruzen?

What do you think why Hiruzen was called Professor and was supposed to mastered a high quantity of techniques? Because he kept collecting them until his old age. I doubt that a "prime" Hiruzen in his young age had such an arsenal of techniques like in his last days.

 

[Meowazziel]

Muu could beat Hashi, if the battle was about who looks most stylish .

 

[Yo pappy]

This is a severe underrating of Hashirama and a obvious attempt at hottest threads. What's the point anyway if your thread is pointless ?

OT: Heard he could make a forest in an instant with paralzying pollen which puts Muu out of the battle. How does Jinton counter that eh ?

This ^ Not to mention Hashirama can make wooden clones of himself to help him weed out Mus position. As for Dantees statement on how Onoki was able to counter it, it's simple, Madara wasn't trying, and Hashiramas Mokuton >>>>>> Madaras Mokuton. You also have to take into account that Onoki was still temporarily knocked out by that technique, and in a fight with intent to kill someone like Hashirama would have most definitely ended it then and there.

 

[Prime Rib]

2 words

wood release

 

[JakeLife510]

Not to mention that Tsunade has restored his Chakra from time to time. Oonokis Jinton was at least on pair with Muus. Being older doesn't make your Ninjutsu weaker, the opposite is the case since you are perfecting your technique for a longer period. Since Madara beat both, Muu and "prime" Oonoki without using his perfect Susanoo and also Hashirama was according to Madara far above the level of the 5 Kage together, it should be clear that Muu is a piece of trash compared to Hashirama. At least for those who are reading the Manga from right to left as it should be.

That for sure wasn't Prime Oonoki and that couldn't have been Tsuchikage Muu. For example it look like a mini spar like Minato vs A n Bee
Did Madara face them while Hashi was alive? Which had to be during the first War where there was already a Tsuchikage.

Being older for Hiruzen proved difficult for his chakra reserve the same goes for Oonoki? In the fight Muu Tsunade didn't give chakra

 

[Yo pappy]

Ey yo Dantee, bro. Madara owned both Onoki and Mu at the same time without Perfect Susanoo, Hashirama owned Madara with Perfect Susanoo AND the Kyuubi at his side. What's the matter bro?

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[blackbird31468]

What do you think why Hiruzen was called Professor and was supposed to mastered a high quantity of techniques? Because he kept collecting them until his old age. I doubt that a "prime" Hiruzen in his young age had such an arsenal of techniques like in his last days.

But he wasn't able to use his arsenal due to old age stamina.

 

[Frikid]

well

now i think about this match up, hashi don't really have a way to win,
It would definitely be a interesting match.

From what we know ,
Hashi can make perfect wood clones which only madara could recognize .
He can create a forest out of nothing.
Can suppress chakra.
Have a auto-heal function.
Can do anything with wood.

...

By Hype : Hashirama.
People used to think hashirama was just a story just like so6p.

By feats : ???

I think muu can beat hashirama, but ...

Manga clearly said madara and hasirama were on different levels... So, you HAVE TO TAKE that into consideration.

Manga says Hashi > Madara > muu/onoki.

 

[JakeLife510]

Ey yo Dantee, bro. Madara owned both Onoki and Mu at the same time without Perfect Susanoo, Hashirama owned Madara with Perfect Susanoo AND the Kyuubi at his side. What's the matter bro?

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A>B>C logic don't work

I'm still up in the air about it but how can Hashi counter his flight+invisibility+jinton? Thats only thing stopping me from thinking Hashi can win till then Muu can take Hashi out

 

[Dantee]

dude, you're a hater I swear, going by your threadz Hashirama is fodder to all except Madara, which makes no sense, but how can you give a real analysis of this fight when you know absolutely nothing on how he would even proceed in a fight.

:rofl: Ima hater. Read the OP again and read between the lines why I made this thread.

Sand can detect muu, so pollen should be able to as well. They dont even need to be inhaled.
You just need to spread them through the area, so that the opponent is in the mist of pollen.
Once wood material is applied, like zetsu spores, pollen, seeds etc, it becomes even more easier to keep track of the target.

Outlasting muu is possible. Jinton takes quite a lot of chakra. Without it, muu isnt much.
Bunshins are possible for defence.
Fusing with plant and earth material.

Flying on tree's is possible, even though it doesnt give as much manouvrability as real flight.

The answers exist on how hashi (even with how little we know of him) can defeat muu.

Most of what you wrote is high speculation. Nothing to really back up how Hashirama gets the better of Muu. From how I see Muu has the clear advantage.

Oonokis strongest technique he backed up with Tsunades help, affected a small part of the tree world Madara created, a technique Hashirama is according to Tsunade also able to use.

Dantee is always praised for the quality of his posts. Laughable. Hashirama will simply outnumber him with a bunch of Mokuton Bunshins which can use his powers, too. Muu is, comparing to Hashirama, nothing. All 5 Kages together were standing in no comparison to Hashirama.

Hashirama wil simply outnumber him? Was it not Muu who said numbers don't mean anything when in the face of Dust Release. How many times do you think Muu a high ranking sensor will fall for a mokoton clone? :rofl:

 

[Strict]

Hashirama wil simply outnumber him? Was it not Muu who said numbers don't mean anything when in the face of Dust Release. How many times do you think Muu a high ranking sensor will fall for a mokoton clone? :rofl:

Wasn't it Muu who lay next to Oonoki on the ground before Madara? Wasn't it Madara who confirmed that Hashirama was stronger than all the 5 Kages, including a Jinton user, together?

Obviously a troll.

 

[Dantee]

Wasn't it Muu who lay next to Oonoki on the ground before Madara? Wasn't it Madara who confirmed that Hashirama was stronger than all the 5 Kages, including a Jinton user, together?

Obviously a troll.

You're the troll because ABC logic is only a bad excuse to avoid an argument.

 

[Meowazziel]

Interview with muu:
Journalist: Muu, would hashirama kick your @ss?
Muu: no doubt about that.

Problem solved gais and gals!

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[Dantee]

Interview with muu:
Journalist: Muu, would hashirama kick your @ss?
Muu: no doubt about that.

Problem solved gais and gals!

.

If only life were that simple

 

[TrollingSage]

The same way Onnoki countered it and Muu would be infected slowly because of his mask. He should also be able to sense the pollen in the air. No one is underrating Hashirama but tell me why people think Itachi, Sasuke, Minato etc would lose however Hashirama can walk with a win.

You're not considering one thing. Knowledge. Muu isnt going to do anything about the pollen if he doesnt know it'll put him to sleep especially with giant mokuton branches trying to kill him. Thats the advantage of flower world. Flowers aren't something that epitomise danger. Even ordinary shinobi can simply hold their breath and run out of the range of the pollen. It works because with all the mokuton attacking the victim directly, the flowers will be the last thing on their list.