How does Hashirama beat Muu?

[Chatte]

Well, the Jiinton scale it's not that big. We saw a big Jinton scale now because Tsunade gave som to Tsuchikage.
But how does he do it? Well, with his Mokuton.
He was said to chance a whole terrain like Madara vs. Kages out of nothing. And that Terrain contains flowers that are poisonable.
So I don't know how Muu can Jinton a whole forest as Tsuchikage barely took out 25 Susanoo clones.
In the end, I think it will be endurance. And given Hashirama being a Senju has a lot of chakra, at a moment Muu will ran out of it while Hashirama can still go.

But it's not sure until the whole Hashirama thing is clearly explained.

 

[Scryed]

With what's been shown, Muu would take it at high difficulty if Hashirama is restricted from using Flower Tree World. Inhaling the pollen would atleast affect his performance if he becomes drowzy. If not, cause him to go to sleep. Though a way he can avoid the pollen would be if he's already high up in the air.

Hashirama is also capable of using Mokuton clones to have over a wide area. This way, if Muu decides to use Jinton, it'll reveal his location and the ones who weren't caught in it would then attack.

Hashirama most likely knows how to merge with his Mokuton (Yamato through Hashirama's DNA) or walk straight through earth (Zetsu created from Hashirama's DNA or tissue or something). So he could practically create a forest engulfing the battlefield and then merge with it while he sends out Mokuton clones. He can also expand his Mokuton towards the sky just incase they locate Muu annd attack him if he's within reach. I'm only assuming he can do this since I believe a portion of his abilities where shown through other people who use them.

This is my opinion from what i've seen so far. Not including Flower Tree World. Where Muu would have a chance to defeat Hashirama with high difficulty though I still see the odds mostly being in favor of Hashirama.

 

[Balkimus]

It has nothing to do with a > B and all that nonsense, its just ridiculous how people try to compare hashi with other ninjas without knowing more about his skill set and jutsus, all i keep hearing is flower tree world. Seriously do yall think that was all it took to defeat the likes of madara, plus i am sure he fought with other gr8 kages of his time, AND WON, its obvious he has tons of powerful jutsus at his disposal, when can even assume that he even took on the perfect sosano during his fight with madara, AND WON, that's insane defense, insane chakra levels, insane skills and insane intelligence combined with alot of awesome jutsus, i mean come on man, yall know about 60% of what muu can do and know about 25% of what hashi can do and trying to compare and say that muu will win the fight, be logical. I still say hashi hands down, you people are crazy to think that all senju is going to have at his arsenal as his most powerful tech is tree world, stop being foolish now. Tree world?? Lmao, its a gr8 jutsus, but seriously, is that all you think hashi is bringing to this fight, and even that alo0ne is enough to give muu a serious run for his money, did any of you think that after using tree world and hashi merging with the forest that he would still be using other insane techs while he is in there?? Forget the poison, its death from all around, he can merge with one tree and come out anywhere in the forest, just catching muu once is enough and its over with a powerful tech. But again, i dont even care to count on tree world here because i am sure hashi has insanely powerful other techs, not to mention an impenetrable defense which he used to counter the kyuubi bomb, with lightening speed. Even edo madara in the face of 5 kages was wishing he could bring back hashi for a real fight, lmao,..... muu??? Hashi can instant heal without hand signs dude, roflmao. Matter of fact i'm done making this thread hot, just gonna pop in from now on and hear what people say, because again, this is ridiculous. Tree world, wow, all hashi can do is tree world suiton and katons right, thats 3 elements right there. Do we even know if hashi has a kekkai??? All we know is that he is praised as the most powerful inija ever, even by the one yall are claiming can beat him.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

he doesnt. by feats he gets demolished. he cant see him, cant hit him, and has no defence against the inotn power. this monster is faster than third raikage

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and stronger than onoki, able to make the same massive nuke attacks

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. we know just about nothing about hashiramas capabilities.

Hashirama>Naruto>Edo Muu

false. edo mu would have kept healing and coming back without onoki and gaara. hashiramas got nothign to even scratch mu

Heard he could make a forest in an instant with paralzying pollen which puts Muu out of the battle

show me him perfoming this. wait you cant

Flower Tree World. That is all.

how do you put in pollen someon far above the battlefield raiing down jinton? from gaara we learnt flight > pollen

Ems Madara stomped him and onooki at the same time without even breaking a sweat

we dont know anything about what happened, and madara referred to both as children. mu probs wasnt even tsuchikage yet. its probable mu hadnt developed the techs he later would.

the second mizukage killed him, he isnt invincible

how? did kishi tell you? how do you know it wasnt some clever plan/trap with reinforcements from mist village?

Jinton doesnt work anymore after you have lost a certain amount of chakra

you only need it once if your opponent is slow, plus its area of effect is massive. akatsuchi said it could destroy an island

As seen with onoki and when muu had split.
Hashirama could outlast muu.

we dont know hashiramas chakra levels. maybe mokuton is very taxing

The tree world and flower tree world, have a huge range.

mus an island buster

Hashirama can use bunshins to avoid jintons.

when has he shown multiple bunshins and when did he show he has the speed to make them in time.

I have no doubt that hashirama is a sensor

no. you just made that up ouit of butt**** nowhere. nothing even implies this is the case

Seeing figures like tobirama and minato touching the ground and sensing enemies, i am sure hashi could do so as well

neither can see mu

I would say wood>jinton tbh

jinton > anything. it disassembles at the atomic level

he shoves several weapons through muu

mu can fly. how does hashi get clsoe enough

Hashirama out lasts him.

how?

Oonoki himself said that Dust Release uses up quite some chakra. Sure Muu can destroy wood. But hashirama can create forest after forest

no he cant. when has he ever demonstrated this? and if mu can hit him once its over. jinton penetrates through wood as it did 25 susano armour/

Also in an instant.

wrong. never has this ever been done by hashirmaa in an instant. ever. \

If muu is firing the dust delease it will in front of him whats stopping hashirama's wood from attcking him from the back.

him being dead for one

Madara beat Oonoki and Muu. Sure they might not have been at there best but he beat them without breaking a sweat. Hashirama beat him AND the Nine-tails

and how do you know mu was at the level we know him to be vs 2nd mizukage? alot probably changed in those years after VOTE. he knew tobirama as second hokage so he was wlel after hashiramas time. do you think theres not the slightest chance mu and onoki imoproved? and madara =/= hashirama. sharingan may ahve allowed him to see mu and maybe he hadnt developed/completed dust release. and wrong. mito beat nine tials,. hashirmaa just controlled it after madara lost it

If the tree's take any damage he can just grow new ones.

they dont take damage. they get literally atomised as does he

Oonokis strongest technique he backed up with Tsunades help,

tsunade was only needed because onoki was exhausted and fighitng an edo

Hashirama will simply outnumber him with a bunch of Mokuton Bunshins

when did he show mulitple bunshins tech? madara doing it doesnt mean hashirama can

Muu is, comparing to Hashirama, nothing. All 5 Kages together were standing in no comparison to Hashirama.

yes they were actually. all 5 would at least put up a fight if not demolish him. hype is worthless. from what we know for sure shodai cant possibly be a match for 4th raikage or onoki. mu would annhilate him

so pollen should be able to as well.

pollen doesnt detect chakra. it poisons people. gaaras sand is special

Bunshins are possible for defence.
Fusing with plant and earth material.

mu knows doton and fuuton. so i dont think thats an olption. he can lighten himself, he should be able to make hashirama weigh 100 tons

(whereas Mokuton is spammable)

how do you know? whnen did someone whos not an edo spam it?

he can't tell the difference between the real Hashirama and a Mokuton Kage Bunshin.

thats kind of the point of all clones

Since Madara beat both, Muu and "prime" Oonoki

he beat on two kids according to madara himself.

also Hashirama was according to Madara far above the level of the 5 Kage together

and according to mu onokis the only person who can beat him. madara said hashirama > 5 kage before seeing said kages full powers. if he had no preta path madara would ahve been defeated by kages.

Hashirama can make wooden clones of himself

scans? how do you know he cna make mroe than one

As for Dantees statement on how Onoki was able to counter it, it's simple, Madara wasn't trying, and Hashiramas Mokuton >>>>>> Madaras Mokuton

madara was deadsly serious and the fight would have been over if onoki didnt trhow off pollen. you cant say madara planned for that. wheres your proof madara < hashirama in mokuiton? when has hashi made a giant forest in an instant? wait he neevr did. and not once has he ever done anything remotely liek it.

Madara owned both Onoki and Mu at the same time without Perfect Susanoo

both were young, and hadnt developed even near the same prowess we now know they have. mu lived to nidame hokages era and knew him as such.

Hashirama owned Madara with Perfect Susanoo AND the Kyuubi at his side

no he didnt. hashirma and mito combined sealed kyuubi, barely got away with their lives and failed to kill madara.

Can do anything with wood.

wrong

Wasn't it Muu who lay next to Oonoki on the ground before Madara?

without any physical damage

Wasn't it Madara who confirmed that Hashirama was stronger than all the 5 Kages, including a Jinton user, together?

hype only, and doesnt mean hashirama can defeat the lkages only that hashirama would do a better job vs him than they were. which is his own biased opinion

Knowledge. Muu isnt going to do anything about the pollen

with flgiht he wont notice it. and same goes for jinton to the face

People think he will go invisible then jinton the **** out of his opponent. First of all jinton gives away his position.

no it doesnt. hes never used it and then forced to go visible. its the other way around. if you force him to be visible then he can still use it regardless.

Secondly muu's inviisbility actually has its limits. Sure you cannot sense him, however any shinobi with a good sense of smell would be able to locate him because his invisibility doesnt conceal this

a lesser rock ninja used a form of invisiblity that did exactly this vs obito who only countered it with sharingan.

Madara solo'd Muu & Oonoki

we dont know what happened. mu wasnt tsuchikage yet. onoki was like 13.

Hashirama > EMS Madara

we dont know what happened maybe hashirama set a trap or mito was more help than we thought

Hashirama has no equal except for the SO6P.

wrong. hes barely top 20. he has pathetic feats

hashirama fodderizes mu worse than madara did.

how do you know what hapepned in mu vs madara? kishi cut away from it

Uchiha Madara EMS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edo Muu

beating mu when he was a kid and probably didnt have jinton doesnt mean he can beat edo mu. ESPECIALLY since edo mus imnomortal and ems madaras not

Hashirama >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edo Muu

wrong. in fact its the direct opposite. hashiramas not nothign to evne touch him with

Ems madara wiped the floor with Muu and oonoki so why would edo muu be much different were talking of a legendary shinobi here Madara

how do you know what happened? all we know is onoki got roughed up and mu ended up on the ground next ot him,. maybe he didnt fight at all and jsut let onoki get his ass beat. moreover a > b > C. logic fails. obitos sharingan saw past a lesser form of invisibility. why wouldnt it be so for madara against a younger mu? hashirama has no sharingan. so he cant see him and gets a sword in the face before he realises whats hapened.

and whatever goes for EMS madara goes even more of hashirama

wrong. your forgetting sharingan. some abilities are jsut better suited against others.

muu<<naruto(yep he pretty much squashed him like a bug

not really. onoki gaara and naruto combined werent enough as mu played naurot for a fool and split before he could finish him off.

muu<<minato(only one second is needed for the fight to be over,minato is a boss biaatch)if you don't have super speed or a good defence minato will foddorise you like what he did to A

yes fodderise....by doing absolutely no dmaage whatsoever...

hashi shits on muu(wood comes from underground and your muu is fcked)

jinton nuke ot the face

The question is , how can Muu beat Hashirama?

quite easily

Besides, if we talk about both in their primes, then Hashi has the Bijuus...

controlling is not the same as being able to use them in battle.

well if hashi can beat madara, and madara beat Mu, im sure he could win

no you arent. your speculating based off shitty logic. naruto doesnt work that way. we dont know what happend in either of those fights anyway

Hashirama>Madara>Muu&Oonoki

if its EMS madara then hashirama > madara > mu > hashirama.

 

[Roy]

Is it so hard to realize that it's a fact that Hashirama was the strongest shinobi in history since that was stated in the manga by Kishi? All people do is argue about things that are clearly obvious and were stated in the manga, argue about something productive for once >_>

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

And he was defeated by the 2nd Mizukage at the cost of his own life. Your "invincible" Muu died, so obviously he was beaten

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we dont know how. and for all we konw 2nd mizu had an army behind him and full intel on mu. mu told onoki how to fight 2nd mizukage so they must have fought enough for that.

he'll be able to sense muu any where around his wood

the entire alliance sensor division couldnt

and please dont wound what you cant kill because hashi with he is able to fix any wound he has, and even stated by madara that he has the best healing technique of all time so basically muu isnt able to kill him and hashi would win.

so madara has met every healer ever and can glean this info accuratey? also wrong. all he said was hashi was better than tsunade at helaing himself. both would die instantly to a jinton because it destroys matter at the atomic level. theres no healing from that

Fact is and it is written in all of the naruto world and agreed on by all countries and kages still cannot deny it, hashi was the gr8est kage ever, only stronger was sage, stop doing this crap.

no. actually no one said that. the best besides the sage is kabuto. unless your teling me hashirama > entire immortal zombie army

Yall cant just go around saying muu is invisible so people cant beat him

they cant. how do you counter somethign you arent aware is there?

makes flower tree world in an instant

how does he do that when hes never demonstrated this?

makes 1000 mokuton bunshins

impossible. peope not named naruto woudl die from exhaustion. moreover it isnt even cofnirmed he could make 2 clones let alone 1000

muu will not beat sasuke minato itachi or hashi

yes he can and will

why do you think an uchiha was the trump card

madara was the trump card because of rinnegan and ems

muu and ononiki could not do a thing to ems madara in his prime

what makes you think THEY were in their prime? madeara confirmed in VIZ that he considered them kids. and onoki actually was a kid.

I mean come on man wtf more do you need than that?

tangible feats. we dont know how he beat madara or how he did anything period.

To do that you have to be a ninja that is resistant to POWERFUL Genjutsu, have jutsu that can breakthourgh susanoo's epic defence

mu can do all of this

hashirama is the strongest rite under so6p

and jsut how does he plan on beating obito or kabuto? or naruto or any high level ninja? he couldnt even take hiruzen in his old age. all he really has is rumours word of mouth and legends

Mokuton, logically muu should win?? logically?? superior advantages?? lemme get this str8, when muu and old man tsuchi met madara, he put both of them in place

he stated he was facing kids. onoki was actually child liek in appearance. so he was maybe 13. do you really think onoki at 13 is equal to onoki at 70? and do you relaly think mu didnt improve between that fight and tobiramas reign as hokage? we dont evne konw what happened that day and why onokis beatne up and mus not.

and they were already master and student, now keeping this in mind, that they both together had NO CHANCE against madara, even with all their logic of superior advantages, and hashi defeated madara

actually we dont know what happened. maybe they didnt have a chance but then spent the next decade training to do just that. hashirama died soon after facing madara and we know mu died somtime after hashiramas brothers reign. we also know mito intervened in VOTE battle, so who realy knows how much was actually hashiramas doing.
we know mu wasnt tsuchkage. and only after that did he become famous and feared. the entire alliance was so scared of mu that they said only another jinton user can stop him. as for how madara won, did you ever think that maybe madaras abilities were better suited for fighting them than hashiramas were?

how is muu alone going to defeat the man that defeated the opponent that muu along with his student could not defeat together at the same time??

bliowng him to hell. or stabbing him. hashirama has no sharingan. how does he become aware mu is there? and who knows how good mu became in the years after his supposed defeat at madaras hands
just because a > b and b > c doesnt mean A > c

So I don't know how Muu can Jinton a whole forest as Tsuchikage barely took out 25 Susanoo clones.

after onoki also jinton'd a forest and threatned to jinton a whole island.

Well, the Jiinton scale it's not that big

ITS..AN.. ISLAND..BUSTER!

Hashirama is also capable of using Mokuton clones to have over a wide area

no he isnt

Zetsu created from Hashirama's DNA

no he was created from geod mazo and the earth thing seems to be unique ot him

its obvious he has tons of powerful jutsus at his disposal

name them then

he even took on the perfect sosano during his fight with madara, AND WON

how did he do that? you dont know do you...

that's insane defense, insane chakra levels, insane skills and insane intelligence

we know nothing about any of those. how can you say he has high intelligence based on nothing? and how do you know he had insane defence when we havent seen him use mokuton defenisvely? hell no one has.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Is it so hard to realize that it's a fact that Hashirama was the strongest shinobi in history since that was stated in the manga by Kishi?

no because it goes directly against what we have been told and shown about others. like nagato who was called an unbeatable god, and kabuto who said hes currently stronger than obito and naruto. kishi has an unfortunate habit to tell but not show when it comes to shodai and that means we dont know waht he can do. we were told only legends and rumours. and all we got out of him with tangible feats was a piss poor showing from both ems amdara and edo hashirama. when showings contradict hype you have a problem with the hype.
eg. hanzo was suppsoed to be unbeatable in jiriayas opinion but hell hes never won an onscreen fight. madara was supposed to be terrifying but was stomped in one chapter and forced to go to rinnegan. whoops.