[Predictions] Naruto Manga 436 Predictions / 435 Discussion
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dredblack7
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Awww, dredblack7 went away. Damn, we were having a really good, thought provoking, discussion too.
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We should, as a community, argue over important points more often rather than just input our opinions on each and every post. Dang bro, pages 7-11 are excellent!
Sasuke Uzumaki
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The only character he may not kill is Sasuke, speaking about young non-konohans or people from outside. Favourite charater, you know.don't say that kakashi will die, kishi would not let him dead - there was no confirmation, like shizune's, jiraiya's - its just hang ups...ill bet 150 USD for this hehehe
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Now, if he kills Sasuke or Sakura or any young one, I will begin panicking that he got tired of his characters as the writer in Missery and that he will kill the manga.
Me too, but this will actually take not more than 2 chapters in an anime. Kishi is an expert at making long manga to fit just a few chapters.:teampein: and Nagato RULES !
I hope this Konoha invasion will end soon , its enough of this fight , time to end this invasion once and for all
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Juan Carlos
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1. I believe they spoke about stealing the biju.
3. I disagree with that. I recal Hachibi complaining to Killerbee for having called him into battle in a situation that was under his control (He said that, why did you call me if you had the upper hand here), and Killerbee told him that he got carried away, and besides, it was the perfect scenario to put up a fake situation so that he could escape from his brother the Raikage.
About the summond statue, it sure wasn?t Madara. Don?t you remember the chapter when Gaara was kidnapped by Deidara and Sasori? Pain was the one to summon the statue to the cave in which Sasori fought Chiyo and Sakura afterwards..., and he wasn?t there. So, I bet the same happended in this case you?re talking about.
I agree!
It couldve been better with more voices, and I can't take all the credit. Everyone who has been debating in pages 7-11 deserve a free Sluurpee!I do feel bad for the fellow who is debating me about the Sharingan VS Clones issuees though. I really hope he comes back at me with something. I am really enjoying this debate.
Back to driving. Ill respond when I can.
Sasuke Uzumaki
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Peace, of course, my post being long does not mean I was angry at you.
Well, at least in the manga Sasuke said sth about being able to read, wonder if it was a wrong translation. He said sth like "I can anticipate your movements", and not "I can read you seals", which was a surprise to me when I read it.
In order to know what he really meant I should be able to read the original Japanese version.
Ah, Pain's invasion is longer that the Sasuke arch, really. People dreamt of seeing Sasuke and then they said it was boring to see him, they dreamt to see Pain and now the same happens. Not your fault, though: Kishi takes too long to show action with 17-pages manga and so many flashbacks.
Excelent pages, but this time I liked the whole of them!
About arguing over important points, problem is how to define important. When I was new to the forum I had a lot of things to ask which were obvious to the rest but important to learn for me, for instance.
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1. Where does Team Hawk talking about stealing the Bijuu?
3. This same argument hs been made, discussed, and countered. Please, go bck a page or two and read what has been said regarding this. If you come back with something new I'd be more tha happy to debate you (I would probarbly do it anyway, and I don't mean to be rude but I have to get gloing and don't have time to review those posts. )
4. Pein was not present at the sealing ritual of Killer Bee so he did not summon the statue at that time. Some people argue that they are all at Akatsukis hide-out where the statue is kept. Although Im not sure I agree with thi its plausable enough to shut me up about it until I find some other evidance supporting a different theory.
Thank you for posting, and Im sorry if any of that seemed rude. I am rushing to respond to you before I can leave, and I REA6LY don't mean for it to be.
Narut0h0lic
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could it be that sasuke have the same disease that itachi had, that made him cough blood ?!?
Afternoon guys, and yes; Sasuke did clain that he was able to see the true Naruto during the fight at the valley of the end at the start of the battle when Naruto shot his clones out of the water and they ambushed Sasuke. When defeating them Sasuke told Naruto he could see the real one the whole time and was playing around for old times sake.
Not sure of the manga but I believe it was episode 133
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We discussed that earlier. This 'disease' that Itachi suffered from could be from the use of the Mangekyou Sharingan. As you well should know, Itachi leaves his Sharingan on at all times and his Mangekyou has been used various times while Sasuke has used it twice. This could be that the overuse of the Mangekyou begins the disease process but as for why he is going blind after only two uses could be that Sasuke does not use the Sharingan as much as Itachi so his eyes are not as developed as Itachi's and used to the Mangekyou
of 1st- sharingan cannot see the difference between a clone and read deal....reasons :
a)ino he somewhat said he could......but he's also very arrogant
b)note sasukes impression when he hits naruto and his string of clones with 'dragon fire jutsu?' i believe....(right after naruto slams him into mountain) at VotE fight.....he is surprised/scared that the real naruto was the one holding onto his legs......its as tho sasuke didnt really mean to hit naruto himself with that jutsu.......naruto is surprised as well....sasuke then says "IT'S TOO LATE NA-RU-TO" and fight gets serious from there
c) he states that he's sees chakra as a different color during fight with dedeira ( when clay man uses his "millions of miniscule, invisible c4 bombs jutsu") sasuke describes it and/or they show a panel of it looking like a cloud or fog
d) the hardest evidence is saved for last........itachi vs team kakashi!!!! has everyone forgot?!?!? itachi tries to perform tsukuyomi(or regular genjutsu that is supposed to look like tsukuyomi....as his mangekyo wasn't activated) on kakashi's clone!!!!!! he doesn't realise it's a clone till its too late!!!!!!! and he's lookin right at him for like 5 min!!!!
with all that said kakashi himself states that "byakugan is the strongest for sheer power of insight" exactly what we are talking about........byakugan couldn't tell cuz naruto distibuted chakra evenly amongst the clones.........with that said.....sharingan has NO chance at seeing through clones
prove me wrong if u can.....but this one is pretty solid folks
quik edit~ also with all those facts i believe sharingan can see chakra(as a blurr kinda) and can somewhat gauge the amount of chakra........
a)ino he somewhat said he could......but he's also very arrogant
b)note sasukes impression when he hits naruto and his string of clones with 'dragon fire jutsu?' i believe....(right after naruto slams him into mountain) at VotE fight.....he is surprised/scared that the real naruto was the one holding onto his legs......its as tho sasuke didnt really mean to hit naruto himself with that jutsu.......naruto is surprised as well....sasuke then says "IT'S TOO LATE NA-RU-TO" and fight gets serious from there
c) he states that he's sees chakra as a different color during fight with dedeira ( when clay man uses his "millions of miniscule, invisible c4 bombs jutsu") sasuke describes it and/or they show a panel of it looking like a cloud or fog
d) the hardest evidence is saved for last........itachi vs team kakashi!!!! has everyone forgot?!?!? itachi tries to perform tsukuyomi(or regular genjutsu that is supposed to look like tsukuyomi....as his mangekyo wasn't activated) on kakashi's clone!!!!!! he doesn't realise it's a clone till its too late!!!!!!! and he's lookin right at him for like 5 min!!!!
with all that said kakashi himself states that "byakugan is the strongest for sheer power of insight" exactly what we are talking about........byakugan couldn't tell cuz naruto distibuted chakra evenly amongst the clones.........with that said.....sharingan has NO chance at seeing through clones
prove me wrong if u can.....but this one is pretty solid folks
quik edit~ also with all those facts i believe sharingan can see chakra(as a blurr kinda) and can somewhat gauge the amount of chakra........
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Hmm you are right I recall that now. Sasuke was baffled at the clone and Itachi really didn't know that that Kakashi was a clone. Very good observation ssanimo. It is true that the byakugan of course cannot see the difference between the two for the chakra is distributed evenly. By the way has anyone questioned the styles of the Mangekyou Sharingan? Kakashi's Itachi's and Sasuke's Mankgekyou all have a different style any evidence as to why? I was thinking that it could be from the way they were activated but this is a theoryof 1st- sharingan cannot see the difference between a clone and read deal....reasons :
a)ino he somewhat said he could......but he's also very arrogant
b)note sasukes impression when he hits naruto and his string of clones with 'dragon fire jutsu?' i believe....(right after naruto slams him into mountain) at VotE fight.....he is surprised/scared that the real naruto was the one holding onto his legs......its as tho sasuke didnt really mean to hit naruto himself with that jutsu.......naruto is surprised as well....sasuke then says "IT'S TOO LATE NA-RU-TO" and fight gets serious from there
c) he states that he's sees chakra as a different color during fight with dedeira ( when clay man uses his "millions of miniscule, invisible c4 bombs jutsu") sasuke describes it and/or they show a panel of it looking like a cloud or fog
d) the hardest evidence is saved for last........itachi vs team kakashi!!!! has everyone forgot?!?!? itachi tries to perform tsukuyomi(or regular genjutsu that is supposed to look like tsukuyomi....as his mangekyo wasn't activated) on kakashi's clone!!!!!! he doesn't realise it's a clone till its too late!!!!!!! and he's lookin right at him for like 5 min!!!!
with all that said kakashi himself states that "byakugan is the strongest for sheer power of insight" exactly what we are talking about........byakugan couldn't tell cuz naruto distibuted chakra evenly amongst the clones.........with that said.....sharingan has NO chance at seeing through clones
prove me wrong if u can.....but this one is pretty solid folks
Sasuke Uzumaki
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Good points! You deserve a medal.of 1st- sharingan cannot see the difference between a clone and read deal....reasons :
a)ino he somewhat said he could......but he's also very arrogant
d) the hardest evidence is saved for last........itachi vs team kakashi!!!! has everyone forgot?!?!? itachi tries to perform tsukuyomi(or regular genjutsu that is supposed to look like tsukuyomi....as his mangekyo wasn't activated) on kakashi's clone!!!!!! he doesn't realise it's a clone till its too late!!!!!!! and he's lookin right at him for like 5 min!!!!
with all that said kakashi himself states that "byakugan is the strongest for sheer power of insight" exactly what we are talking about........byakugan couldn't tell cuz naruto distibuted chakra evenly amongst the clones.........with that said.....sharingan has NO chance at seeing through clones
prove me wrong if u can.....but this one is pretty solid folks
quik edit~ also with all those facts i believe sharingan can see chakra(as a blurr kinda) and can somewhat gauge the amount of chakra........
Now, Itachi was already going blind by that time, so there is a chance he was a shelf of his former self as well as Madara. I believe Sasuke is not ill, just going blind.
True, Sasuke is arrogant, but I don't recall him lying on these matters, he could have said "I'm better than you" or whatever. I cannot recall him saying he has powers he lacks.
Maybe Kishi did not realise about it and gave contradictory ideas?
I believe Sasuke can gauge the amount of chakra, not see it as byakugan (word I had to copy paste as I will never remember how to write it!).
He could see Naruto's chakra was massive and that it had a life of its own ant the Valley of the End.
But he also has the power to suppress massive chakra, at least the 9-tails'.
Juan Carlos
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Arisonius, don?t worry about it.
About the previous post, with the thing related with team Hawk talking about getting Hachibi?s power, I meant that they probably wanted to steal it from Akatsuki, instead of thinking that each member of Akatsuki would get a share of the biju?s power once the extaction comes to an end.
And the thing about summoning the statue is that Pain doesn?t have to be in the place of the ceremony to summon it. With Gaara we saw that!!. Pain summoned the statue to that cave in which Deidara and Sasori where with Gaara?s body..., and he was..., let?s say, in Rain country. So, maby he summoned the statue for Hachibi?s extraction, and then he didn?t participate in the ceremony because he required his entire chakra cause he was about to anahilate KONOHA by himself.
And man, Pain doesn?t stop..., Nagato is freaking AMAZING. I liked this chapter a lot. We?re now in a position to corroborate why Nagato claims to be a God...., we can see the desperation in Naruto when he starts yelling with his hands pierced and nailed to the floor (WHO THE **** ARE YOU? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU??????). Gamabunta and the other big frogs completely waisted, Ma and Pa?s gengutsu repeled by Pain and a few seconds later, Pa pierced by God?s hand. Konoha in ruins...., the Hokage exhausted and Konoha?s ninjas defenseles......... shit, it?s amazing. He?s the ultimate villain.
And each one of these characters is extremely powerful. Let?s say,.... Gamabunta is one of the bosses back in Miokubon (whathever the spelling is)..., ?????for God sake, he?s the one that Yondaime used to fight the Kyubi, Naruto to fight Shokaku!!!!!!!!!!!..., and Pain defeated him with the other two with one single shinra tensei, up to the point in which he can?t stand up by himself because all of his bones are borken. .... Pa and Ma are the Sage masters..., and they are crying right now because they fell under Nagato?s power...., Naruto is yelling desperately...., and Nagato isn?t even present in the field.
Imagine what he could do if he was standing there. He has all of Pain?s techniques, and besides he controls all the elements at the highest levels. So, if everyone gets surprised by Sasuke?s Chidori, or his thunder manipulation thing (the one he used against Itachi), imagine what Nagato can do by mixing elements. He doesn?t have a weaknes in the elemental field, because he can counter every single elemental attack, and besides, mix the right ones to create amazing blows like Kakuso?s masks.
In this chapter we also learned that Nagato not only controls the six bodies by possesing them at the same time, but that simultaneosly he controls his chakra emitions so that they become untraceble. Another thing that surprises me is that Nagato has knowledge about the nature of the Jinchurikis, which means that he is aware of the fact that the Kiuby may come out...., and he sure contemplated the posibility of having to fight kiuby itself. (When he looks at Naruto he reffers to hem as Kyiubi). So he must have made plans to destroy Konoha, fight Naruto, fight the Kiuby, fight the frogs,..., and maby counquer the world afterwards.
Pain.., the ultimate ninja.
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About the previous post, with the thing related with team Hawk talking about getting Hachibi?s power, I meant that they probably wanted to steal it from Akatsuki, instead of thinking that each member of Akatsuki would get a share of the biju?s power once the extaction comes to an end.
And the thing about summoning the statue is that Pain doesn?t have to be in the place of the ceremony to summon it. With Gaara we saw that!!. Pain summoned the statue to that cave in which Deidara and Sasori where with Gaara?s body..., and he was..., let?s say, in Rain country. So, maby he summoned the statue for Hachibi?s extraction, and then he didn?t participate in the ceremony because he required his entire chakra cause he was about to anahilate KONOHA by himself.
And man, Pain doesn?t stop..., Nagato is freaking AMAZING. I liked this chapter a lot. We?re now in a position to corroborate why Nagato claims to be a God...., we can see the desperation in Naruto when he starts yelling with his hands pierced and nailed to the floor (WHO THE **** ARE YOU? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU??????). Gamabunta and the other big frogs completely waisted, Ma and Pa?s gengutsu repeled by Pain and a few seconds later, Pa pierced by God?s hand. Konoha in ruins...., the Hokage exhausted and Konoha?s ninjas defenseles......... shit, it?s amazing. He?s the ultimate villain.
And each one of these characters is extremely powerful. Let?s say,.... Gamabunta is one of the bosses back in Miokubon (whathever the spelling is)..., ?????for God sake, he?s the one that Yondaime used to fight the Kyubi, Naruto to fight Shokaku!!!!!!!!!!!..., and Pain defeated him with the other two with one single shinra tensei, up to the point in which he can?t stand up by himself because all of his bones are borken. .... Pa and Ma are the Sage masters..., and they are crying right now because they fell under Nagato?s power...., Naruto is yelling desperately...., and Nagato isn?t even present in the field.
Imagine what he could do if he was standing there. He has all of Pain?s techniques, and besides he controls all the elements at the highest levels. So, if everyone gets surprised by Sasuke?s Chidori, or his thunder manipulation thing (the one he used against Itachi), imagine what Nagato can do by mixing elements. He doesn?t have a weaknes in the elemental field, because he can counter every single elemental attack, and besides, mix the right ones to create amazing blows like Kakuso?s masks.
In this chapter we also learned that Nagato not only controls the six bodies by possesing them at the same time, but that simultaneosly he controls his chakra emitions so that they become untraceble. Another thing that surprises me is that Nagato has knowledge about the nature of the Jinchurikis, which means that he is aware of the fact that the Kiuby may come out...., and he sure contemplated the posibility of having to fight kiuby itself. (When he looks at Naruto he reffers to hem as Kyiubi). So he must have made plans to destroy Konoha, fight Naruto, fight the Kiuby, fight the frogs,..., and maby counquer the world afterwards.
Pain.., the ultimate ninja.
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rivalintraining
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ok ok i just read the naruto manga 435 and i have to say i never saw that comeing i mean naruto was winning right. and how chessey of pain to to take granpa frog hostage and kill him i think i might have underestimated pain but i was getting so happy for naruto and then he take a blade to the hand pain is one bad mother fucka god damn him
on the itachi's eyes thing..........i believe madara wishes for sasuke to take itachi's eyes and implant them.......only for him to be able to take them from him to further his own.....
if madara does have EMS then he's at his limit... the only way he could further his sharingan now,is to implant another EMS......thus the reason behind everythin involving himself,itachi,and sasuke
itachi wasn't going to take sasukes eyes.......and madara didn't really wanna have to mess with itachi (doesn't matter if he has EMS and itachi didn't.....remember sharingan is just a tool for the shinobi and itachi could uses MS to its fullest potential) he really wouldn't if he had EMS as well
this is why madara sent hawk to retrieve the 8-tails...........he knew he would get pwned..........akatsuki did say 8-tails would prob be the hardest(kisame?? i think) neways.....he knew sasuke would make it back......but he was banking on the fact that sasuke would have to rely on MS, would realise the eyesight probs....maybe even want more power after facing such a powerful shinobi....... he did it so sasuke would want itachi's eyes
EMS+MS= -1
EMS+EMS= +10
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P.S. many thanks to kushina for appreciating my script........it takes time to come up with and that was my only response
if madara does have EMS then he's at his limit... the only way he could further his sharingan now,is to implant another EMS......thus the reason behind everythin involving himself,itachi,and sasuke
itachi wasn't going to take sasukes eyes.......and madara didn't really wanna have to mess with itachi (doesn't matter if he has EMS and itachi didn't.....remember sharingan is just a tool for the shinobi and itachi could uses MS to its fullest potential) he really wouldn't if he had EMS as well
this is why madara sent hawk to retrieve the 8-tails...........he knew he would get pwned..........akatsuki did say 8-tails would prob be the hardest(kisame?? i think
) neways.....he knew sasuke would make it back......but he was banking on the fact that sasuke would have to rely on MS, would realise the eyesight probs....maybe even want more power after facing such a powerful shinobi....... he did it so sasuke would want itachi's eyesEMS+MS= -1
EMS+EMS= +10
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ for those that dont understand my blabbering
P.S. many thanks to kushina for appreciating my script........it takes time to come up with and that was my only response
Sasuke Uzumaki
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I don't think Sasuke wanted the Hachibi, no support to my theory, though. I guess he's after the demon fox, whether for bad or good purposes. He knows there is no need to kill Naruto in order to unleash it. And that the fox rules over the other bijuu.
I cannot get why people keep saying the statue is summoned. I just assumed Gaara was taken to the Akatsuki's hideout, where the statue rests.
And that there is ANOTHER statue in the rain village, it does not look the same.
I agree with you and disagree with most: Pain is powerful, he's not lame.
But Naruto does not yell at him from believing he's more powerful, but from not understanding why he destroyed the village. Naruto believes he can win and that they can have equal strenght.
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Itachi calls Naruto without having even seen him.
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i think sasuke.....as much as i hate so say it will have an awesome sharingan in the end....for the reason u just stated
when kakashi got his......that gave me the impression that every sharingan and its jutsu were unique to its owner......but then sasuke got amaterasu......even still when he first used it on madara.....i was like ok that was what itachi gave him......but what will he be able to do with his own......then madara said itachi gave all his techs and he didn't do anything new vs 8-tails......but that doesn't change my stance on it just because of kakashi and his kamui
so that being said.....i believe what we have seen from sasuke was what itachi gave him.....he has not figured out how to use his own power granted with the MS......could be wrong though.....im 60/40 on this right now
P.S arisonous i believe you once said that the one eye and mask is the leg that most ppl stand on in reference to the obito/tobi/madara theory
well this subject is the other leg that i myself stand on
the other link: if this theory of mine holds water and every sharingan's abilities were unique to its user this would fall in line with the obito/tobi thing......as kakshi used kamui (a space time nin jutsu) and madara/tobi uses whatever its called (his space time teleportaion jutsu) however its very unclear if this ability is due to the sharingan
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That is true which may explain why Sasuke has become so weak from using the Mangekyou and is already feeling its effects. Perhaps because his current power of the Mangekyou was because of a transfer from Itachi's eyes to him, perhaps Sasuke is not ready to weild tha type of power and his eyes maybe rejecting its abilities. Remember although Itachi's death may have triggered the ability to use the Mangekyou Sharingan, that doesn't mean that Sasuke was strong enough for its abilities. The only evidence for this would be Kakashi's use of the Mangekyou Sharingan and how fatigue he is after its use, but then again, Kakashi is not an Uchiha and therefore the same theory may not apply
cant remember chapter on episode but god relm does a summoning jutsu.........yes summoning jutsu and the statue rises up from the ground (this is also the same time we are told the name of the tech. "phantom 9 dragons sumthin or other) cant remember anyways thats why
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