Whitebeard Pirates' Strength

[Olorin]

I have seen many opinions on strength of individual characters that people have. While everyone agrees that the WB pirates were very strong I think many underestimate them.

Before the war started many Marines high up might have been very confident (the Admirals) but Sengoku was well aware that they might lose.

Now take the great powers of the Navy:
Garp and Sengoku
The 3 Admirals
7 Sichibukai (well not all 7)
An army of Vice-Admirals

So for the WB Pirates to have a fighting chance they somehow would have needed to counter that:
they ofc had WB himself
but they needed 3 people comparable to the Admirals, I suppose the first 3 commanders could fit the description
they needed 7 (give or take) pirates that could counter the Sichibukai, I suppost other commanders had a chance to do that
and the WBs allies had a good chance against the vice-admirals

if those criteria wouldnt have been more or less met Sengoku would be more confident

My point: many people say that that the WB commanders cant match the admirals, but I think that if that were the case WB alone against Sengoku, Garp and the Admirals the outcome wouldnt have been so uncertain, I think Marco, Ace and Jozu had power to fight the admirals, Marco took on Kizaru and Aokiji for a time, Jozu was doing good against Aokiji until he was distracted

Also: Ace was the 2nd commander so I think he should be able to handle (to some extent) Aokiji and Kizaru. Akainu was one of the worst matchups for him, think of his magma doing relatively well in normal air, it took a long time to cool down etc, now if ace used his attack Akainus attack would only become more powerful because instead of having to go through air they could stay hot going through flames, and fire cant hurt magma it can only help it (no other fighter in that war had that advantage over Ace)

what do you think?

 

[killer mookai]

i did and i agree

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes. The WB Pirates are immensely strong IMO. Reckless as pirates are, WB pirates don't just rush in. They knew what they were doing.

 

[WhistleBlower]

i agree with you, the white beard pirates currently have no captain BUT nevertheless i bet any other crew that saw the war broadcasted would never even try to touch the whitebeard pirates seeing how bloody strong they are!!

like u said Jozu and Marco did alot n held their ground for a bit with ADMIRALS!!!!
i dont think that the other commanders are weak also, after all they are part of White Beards Crew, a Yonkou Crew!!!

they all together fought against akainu n lost but were it kizaru or aokiji i believe that they could've pinned down them.

yeah, in essence the White Beard Pirates are hell strong!! so dont mess with them!!!

 

[~Yubel~]

Whitebeard pirates had no chance against the marines and would've lost alot more men had it not been for luffy's help of bringing other strong people from impel down.

 

['Kurapika]

Whitebeard pirates had no chance against the marines and would've lost alot more men had it not been for luffy's help of bringing other strong people from impel down.

The Whitebeards weren't there to annihilate the marines, that they knew was impossible. Their goal was to snatch Ace and make a run for it. Considering that, Luffy actually might of been the cause for their failure. Sure he was the one to climb up that path, but he was stopped many times and only was he able to advance with the Whitebeards' help, and in the end, Ace died protecting Luffy.

 

[Hyperion]

I have seen many opinions on strength of individual characters that people have. While everyone agrees that the WB pirates were very strong I think many underestimate them.

Before the war started many Marines high up might have been very confident (the Admirals) but Sengoku was well aware that they might lose.

Now take the great powers of the Navy:
Garp and Sengoku
The 3 Admirals
7 Sichibukai (well not all 7)
An army of Vice-Admirals

So for the WB Pirates to have a fighting chance they somehow would have needed to counter that:
they ofc had WB himself
but they needed 3 people comparable to the Admirals, I suppose the first 3 commanders could fit the description
they needed 7 (give or take) pirates that could counter the Sichibukai, I suppost other commanders had a chance to do that
and the WBs allies had a good chance against the vice-admirals

if those criteria wouldnt have been more or less met Sengoku would be more confident

My point: many people say that that the WB commanders cant match the admirals, but I think that if that were the case WB alone against Sengoku, Garp and the Admirals the outcome wouldnt have been so uncertain, I think Marco, Ace and Jozu had power to fight the admirals, Marco took on Kizaru and Aokiji for a time, Jozu was doing good against Aokiji until he was distracted

Also: Ace was the 2nd commander so I think he should be able to handle (to some extent) Aokiji and Kizaru. Akainu was one of the worst matchups for him, think of his magma doing relatively well in normal air, it took a long time to cool down etc, now if ace used his attack Akainus attack would only become more powerful because instead of having to go through air they could stay hot going through flames, and fire cant hurt magma it can only help it (no other fighter in that war had that advantage over Ace)

what do you think?

What people don't understand is that the Ace Retrieval was a success.
Ace was just a dickhead.

Take emotions out of the way, and I believe Marco would eat Borsalino alive.
Same with Jozu and Kuzan.

2nd Division Commander or whatever, besides COtC, Ace should've been capable of using the other 2 but not to the extent of Rayleigh or WB.
(I say Ace could do all 3, but sucked at CoA & CoO compared to Luffy but would still whoop TS Luffy's ass)

A Pirate Crew from the Old Era - during the Flashback with Shiki, most of the Commanders were there as well as a Younger Rayleigh on the Oro with Lil Shanks and Buggy. Marco, BB etc. are older than Shanks IMO.
NW Pirates for many years with Haki besides BB.

What else??

Basing the Full Strength of anyone during the war, only applies to Luffy.
No one else fought Full Strength IMO.

 

['Kurapika]

What people don't understand is that the Ace Retrieval was a success.
Ace was just a dickhead.

Take emotions out of the way, and I believe Marco would eat Borsalino alive.
Same with Jozu and Kuzan.

2nd Division Commander or whatever, besides COtC, Ace should've been capable of using the other 2 but not to the extent of Rayleigh or WB.
(I say Ace could do all 3, but sucked at CoA & CoO compared to Luffy but would still whoop TS Luffy's ass)

A Pirate Crew from the Old Era - during the Flashback with Shiki, most of the Commanders were there as well as a Younger Rayleigh on the Oro with Lil Shanks and Buggy. Marco, BB etc. are older than Shanks IMO.
NW Pirates for many years with Haki besides BB.

What else??

Basing the Full Strength of anyone during the war, only applies to Luffy.
No one else fought Full Strength IMO.

Ace indeed wasn't executed, but that was kind of a symbolic thing more than a success sign. Dying to save Luffy sure was better for the plot.
But as far as the Whitebeards are concerned, they failed since getting rid of his handcuffs wasn't the sole purpose of their attack, and they did try all they could to escape with him.
I blame Luffy for it. >.>

 

[Hyperion]

Ace indeed wasn't executed, but that was kind of a symbolic thing more than a success sign. Dying to save Luffy sure was better for the plot.
But as far as the Whitebeards are concerned, they failed since getting rid of his handcuffs wasn't the sole purpose of their attack, and they did try all they could to escape with him.
I blame Luffy for it. >.>

They saved him, that was a success.
That was the point of the war, saving Ace.

However, he's a dumbass(part of which was inherited) and Luffy does deserve all of the blame for his brothers death.

 

[Olorin]

The Whitebeards weren't there to annihilate the marines, that they knew was impossible

actually WB didnt use his DF power because Ace was vulnerable or he would just go berserk on the island from the start before he was stabbed by so many marines and Squardo, considering that and the fact how easy it was for him to beat the crap out of Akainu (again, while wounded) and the quaking of the sea around the island at the beginning the Marines should have had a lot of trouble with WB alone, he obviously wouldnt be able to do it all alone, but he could deal an enormous amount of damage even without his crew