MY Top 10 Ninja (List Your Top 10)

[~Sovereign~]

The thing is, Nagato wouldn't use Preta Path on Sage Mode Naruto because of prior experience from fighting him using Pain, he would know that if he tried, he would turn into a petrified frog & he wouldn't have to try and catch Naruto in order to absorb his chakra, his Taijutsu is clad in chakra while using KM & BM. If he does manage to catch Naruto like he did when he faced Naruto & Bee, he could remove his soul. Naruto may be able to use Sage Mode Genjutsu & win if he's able to stall long enough for Ma & Pa to be ready, which I highly doubt and his summons make up for his Taijutsu giving him extra eyes.

For Obito, he only has to touch Naruto once to drag him into his alt dimension and then it would be his win, he can simply counter attack after one of Naruto's CQC attacks and grab him. He's gotten close numerous times already so I'm pretty sure he can.

Now for Hashirama, he possessed the unique ability to control tailed beasts without the necklace, the necklace only enhanced this ability, which responded to his chakra.

Quoted from Hashirama's abilities section on Naruto Wiki; "Along with his kekkei genkai, Orochimaru also coveted Hashirama's unique ability to control tailed beasts. Of all his considerable talents, it was this ability in particular that made Hashirama unparalleled in the shinobi world, so much so that he is regarded as one of the few people capable of completely controlling a tailed beast. At one time, he had many of the beasts in his possession. This ability was greatly amplified by his crystal necklace."

nagato- if he isnt gonna use preta then naruto will just spam sage mode clones and nagato will be vulnerable because then he wouldnt chance trying to absorb bm mode and accidently absorb a sage clone and die

obito- u didnt answer reply about naruto letting tobi absorb him/or his clones...if that happens tobi wouldnt be able to use his s/t jutsu anymore (like how kakashi did)

hashi- he can not use wood on a jinchuuriki without the necklace, look at your link you posted...hashi can control tailed beast but not when they are inside of people

 

[Datguyjr]

nagato- if he isnt gonna use preta then naruto will just spam sage mode clones and nagato will be vulnerable because then he wouldnt chance trying to absorb bm mode and accidently absorb a sage clone and die

obito- u didnt answer reply about naruto letting tobi absorb him/or his clones...if that happens tobi wouldnt be able to use his s/t jutsu anymore (like how kakashi did)

hashi- he can not use wood on a jinchuuriki without the necklace, look at your link you posted...hashi can control tailed beast but not when they are inside of people

My point being, Rinnegan Nagato > Sage Mode Naruto, we've already seen that Naruto in Sage Mode can't defeat Pain,

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. So without BM & KM, how could he possible stand a chance against Nagato that uses the same Paths all in one body on a far different scale then he did with Pain?

For Obito, yes Naruto can do that to try to counter his S/T Jutsu if Obito falls for it but Obito can then simply defeat the clone in the other dimension 1st and then deal with the original. With Obito being able to use the Paths as well, defeating one of Naruto's clone shouldn't be extremely hard to him, since he only has to hit the clone once but that's my opinion, maybe I'm wrong.

Now Hashirama, Here's the link to the

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under abilities section, 1st two sentence it says; "A power unique to Hashirama was the ability to control jinchūriki and the tailed beasts. This ability was enhanced by the necklace, which responded to his chakra, allowing him to control the chakra of the tailed beasts."

He doesn't need the necklace to control Jinchuriki and Tailed Beasts, it only helps.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

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so hashirama can beat kabuto with edo army? sure and maybe hinata will go punch out rikudo sennin!

he beat EMS madara AND kyuubi

no he didnt. never did he physically overpower and seal kurama.

Hashirama beat EMS Madara + Kurama, not Madara alone and why do people always put Kabuto on this pedestal only because of Edo Tensei, beating Kabuto isn't that hard for Shinobi of his level, simply make Edo Tensei usless with; Contract Seal. Their isn't a single Edo Summon that would fight for Kabuto willingly aside from Kimimaro, probably.

only one shinobi in history has contract seal and minato is unable to kill kabuto anyway due to having suigetsus ability. he can wipe edo tensei minds with the fuda in their heads so fighting for him isnt a problem.
hashirama NEVER beat kurama.

everyone knows hashi fought madara and kyuubi...what are you talking about

no one knows what actually happened. for all we know it was circumstancial and hashirama was never actually superior. remember how zetsu plain and simple said sauske > itachi? but we know that to not exactly be true.

im not counting edo tensai (i have my reasons) so DSM is kabuto's power

then your list is worthless and not a true measurement of all a shinobis power

 

[~Sovereign~]

My point being, Rinnegan Nagato > Sage Mode Naruto, we've already seen that Naruto in Sage Mode can't defeat Pain,

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. So without BM & KM, how could he possible stand a chance against Nagato that uses the same Paths all in one body on a far different scale then he did with Pain?

For Obito, yes Naruto can do that to try to counter his S/T Jutsu if Obito falls for it but Obito can then simply defeat the clone in the other dimension 1st and then deal with the original. With Obito being able to use the Paths as well, defeating one of Naruto's clone shouldn't be extremely hard to him, since he only has to hit the clone once but that's my opinion, maybe I'm wrong.

Now Hashirama, Here's the link to the

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under abilities section, 1st two sentence it says; "A power unique to Hashirama was the ability to control jinchūriki and the tailed beasts. This ability was enhanced by the necklace, which responded to his chakra, allowing him to control the chakra of the tailed beasts."

He doesn't need the necklace to control Jinchuriki and Tailed Beasts, it only helps.

1. your not getting what im saying....nagato wouldnt use preta path alot if naruto was spamming sage mode clones, meaning this is bm/km naruto + sage mode clones vs nagato without preta path...bm naruto will win (sage mode plays a huge part in beating rinnegan)

2. what is stopping naruto for constantly letting tobi absorb him??????????? tobi has no other moves really.....tobi is screwed simply because he cant use s/t jutsu if naruto keeps putting clones inside tobi...tobi wouldnt last 2 seconds without his s/t jutsu, gg tobi

3. OK, im wrong ill admit it......BUT it said enhance meaning hashi can only control naruto/kyuubi/jinchuuriki to a certain degree without the necklace.....we'll never know until kishi proves it

no he didnt. never did he physically overpower and seal kurama.

only one shinobi in history has contract seal and minato is unable to kill kabuto anyway due to having suigetsus ability. he can wipe edo tensei minds with the fuda in their heads so fighting for him isnt a problem.
hashirama NEVER beat kurama.

no one knows what actually happened. for all we know it was circumstancial and hashirama was never actually superior. remember how zetsu plain and simple said sauske > itachi? but we know that to not exactly be true.

then your list is worthless and not a true measurement of all a shinobis power

1. we dont know exactly what happen between madara + kyuubi vs hashi..so dont say hashi didnt overpower kyuubi

2. how do you know hashi didnt beat kyuubi??? link? btw minato can kill anyone with death reaper

3. are you a hashi hater or something?? madara fanboy?? manga state hashi beat ems madara while he was using kyuubi......the manga only shows that madara survived (obviously) but that doesnt change the fact that he lost to hashi while using kyuubi....deal with it

4. edo tensai is not kabuto's power...why? when kabuto dies he has NO control of edo tensai, meaning edo tensai can a jutsu that can roam freely and its not like kabuto himself is an edo, he can still die

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

so dont say hashi didnt overpower kyuubi

we know he didnt because he naturally supresses kyuubi chakra. ergo it wasnt a fair toe to toe fight like third rai vs hachibi

manga state hashi beat ems madara while he was using kyuubi

manga stated sasuke beat itachi but what really happened? only the readers know. for all we know hashirama had extensive prep and led madara into some trap or maybe madara was about to finish him when mito intervened or maybe hashirama caught him off guard with a cheap shot.

the manga only shows that madara survived (obviously) but that doesnt change the fact that he lost to hashi while using kyuubi....deal with it

so im well within my rights to say hebi sasuke > itachi. deal with it. or how about the fact that sasuke > killer bee via amaterasu. or how about sakura and chiyo >>sasori. i understand now. just disregard circumstance and prep and knowledge in battle. if you win you win. right?

edo tensai is not kabuto's power...why? when kabuto dies he has NO control of edo tensai

that stil means its a summoning jutsu. summons have been treated as little more than weapons like a shuriken since part 1. he can manipulate puppets. doesnt mean he has no control. sasoris puppet lived on after he died and is now controlled by kankuro.

meaning edo tensai can a jutsu that can roam freely and its not like kabuto himself is an edo, he can still die

its still a jutsu and its still classified as a kuchiyose.

how do you know hashi didnt beat kyuubi??? link

chapter 500. "during the battle, mito sama sealed the kyubi into herself to lend strenght to hashirama"

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

tobi has no other moves really

wrong. he can use gedo mazo or chains/stakes or genjutsu or human path or flame barrier

 

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Madara
Hashirama
Itachi
Minato
Nagato
Jiraya
Obito
Sasuke/Naruto
Kabuto
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[Datguyjr]

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so hashirama can beat kabuto with edo army? sure and maybe hinata will go punch out rikudo sennin!

no he didnt. never did he physically overpower and seal kurama.

only one shinobi in history has contract seal and minato is unable to kill kabuto anyway due to having suigetsus ability. he can wipe edo tensei minds with the fuda in their heads so fighting for him isnt a problem.
hashirama NEVER beat kurama.

no one knows what actually happened. for all we know it was circumstancial and hashirama was never actually superior. remember how zetsu plain and simple said sauske > itachi? but we know that to not exactly be true.

then your list is worthless and not a true measurement of all a shinobis power

Both Hashirama & Minato can use Contract Seal, two people not one and Suigetsu's ability only protects from physical attacks, Minato does know Ninjutsu and Sealing abilities and could most likely have a counter to that. Also, in order for him to wipe their minds, he has to implant his seal again into them, but as if their going to just sit their and take it and be under his control again without resisting is dumb. Manga & Kishimoto says Hashirama defeated Madara & Kurama, so what are you saying.. Fact over your opinion

1. your not getting what im saying....nagato wouldnt use preta path alot if naruto was spamming sage mode clones, meaning this is bm/km naruto + sage mode clones vs nagato without preta path...bm naruto will win (sage mode plays a huge part in beating rinnegan)

2. what is stopping naruto for constantly letting tobi absorb him??????????? tobi has no other moves really.....tobi is screwed simply because he cant use s/t jutsu if naruto keeps putting clones inside tobi...tobi wouldnt last 2 seconds without his s/t jutsu, gg tobi

3. OK, im wrong ill admit it......BUT it said enhance meaning hashi can only control naruto/kyuubi/jinchuuriki to a certain degree without the necklace.....we'll never know until kishi proves it

I understand that but Nagato is intelligent, he would use Preta Path on BM & KM but not on Sage Mode, he knows the risks and what will happen. Also, Preta Path aside, he still has 6 other Paths, Shinra Tensei would wipe out most if not all of the clones if Naruto doesn't keep creating them as they're dying. Then Animal Path, giving him a lot of extra eyes and plan out his attack and counter attack perfectly, it's your opinion, I just feel that Nagato would beat Naruto, KM & BM wouldn't pose a problem and Sage Mode loses without much difficulty.

We'll just have to see what Obito can really do aside from S/T then, he's already shown powerful jutsu so far and I doubt that's all he has, so I'm predicting he still has much more to offer.

 

[~Sovereign~]

I understand that but Nagato is intelligent, he would use Preta Path on BM & KM but not on Sage Mode, he knows the risks and what will happen. Also, Preta Path aside, he still has 6 other Paths, Shinra Tensei would wipe out most if not all of the clones if Naruto doesn't keep creating them as they're dying. Then Animal Path, giving him a lot of extra eyes and plan out his attack and counter attack perfectly, it's your opinion, I just feel that Nagato would beat Naruto, KM & BM wouldn't pose a problem and Sage Mode loses without much difficulty.

We'll just have to see what Obito can really do aside from S/T then, he's already shown powerful jutsu so far and I doubt that's all he has, so I'm predicting he still has much more to offer.

sage mode clones arent gonna just stare, they are gonna be in nagato's way of absorbing km/bm mode

shinra tensai takes up alot of chakra (nagato will die of exhaustion spamming shinra tensai/preta on EVERY clone when naruto can just make more clones) naruto>nagato....naruto can even use frog song too

obito has no offense bro so until he shows more he'll lose (in my opinion and i explained why)

wrong. he can use gedo mazo or chains/stakes or genjutsu or human path or flame barrier

gedo mazo is not tobi's power it has the 7 tailed beast inside of it (tobi isnt a jinchurriki) im talking about JUST tobi vs naruto

chains/stakes have only been used on bee (i think) and that was because he is big when he's in 8 tails mode

genjustu wont work on naruto

tobi hasn't used any rinnegan abilities yet

flame barrier is used for blocking, i said tobi has not OFFENSE

we know he didnt because he naturally supresses kyuubi chakra. ergo it wasnt a fair toe to toe fight like third rai vs hachibi

manga stated sasuke beat itachi but what really happened? only the readers know. for all we know hashirama had extensive prep and led madara into some trap or maybe madara was about to finish him when mito intervened or maybe hashirama caught him off guard with a cheap shot.

so im well within my rights to say hebi sasuke > itachi. deal with it. or how about the fact that sasuke > killer bee via amaterasu. or how about sakura and chiyo >>sasori. i understand now. just disregard circumstance and prep and knowledge in battle. if you win you win. right?

that stil means its a summoning jutsu. summons have been treated as little more than weapons like a shuriken since part 1. he can manipulate puppets. doesnt mean he has no control. sasoris puppet lived on after he died and is now controlled by kankuro.

its still a jutsu and its still classified as a kuchiyose.

chapter 500. "during the battle, mito sama sealed the kyubi into herself to lend strenght to hashirama"

so supressing kyuubi isnt called beating it????????????? beat does have to be using your fist....


itachi let sasuke win.....madara never said mito intervene in the fight she just sealed the kyuubi inside herself and that could've been AFTER the fight for all we know


.............when kabuto dies his edo are roaming free (hell even when he's alive) edo madara is having a good ol time(what can kabuto do about it????????????????????????????????????????????)

HE HAS NO CONTROL AND JUST BECAUSE HE HAS EDO TENSAI DOES MAKE HIMSELF IMMORTAL



killer bee when on vacation lol
itachi let sasuke win
sasori lost LMAO (i think he just let his grandma win) btw sakura did most the work
THE MANGA SHOWS/STATES ALL 3 OF THESE
NOW SHOW ME A PANEL WHERE HASHI LOST TO MADARA W/KYUUBI SINCE THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOUR CLAIMING

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Both Hashirama & Minato can use Contract Seal

hashirama has literally never shown such a thing. its never even been IMPLIED.

Minato does know Ninjutsu and Sealing abilities and could most likely have a counter to that

and kabuto has a counter to THAT ie sm's perception and speed. minato needs to hold someone down to seal them

Also, in order for him to wipe their minds, he has to implant his seal again into them, but as if their going to just sit their and take it and be under his control again without resisting is dumb

they will if paralysed in genjutsu/white rage

Manga & Kishimoto says Hashirama defeated Madara & Kurama, so what are you saying.. Fact over your opinion

manga stated mito defeated kurama and that madara pretty much intended on losing to fake his death/steal power for rinnegan and ensure his immortality via rinne tensei.

gedo mazo is not tobi's power

in that case madara cant use ems or mokuton and jiraiya cant use toads.

chains/stakes have only been used on bee (i think

he used them to tie up minato, and get the 5 tails back under his control

flame barrier is used for blocking,

it can seal up people like dan

so supressing kyuubi isnt called beating it?????????????

no because would you say yamato defeated naruto in a fair fight or would you say he calmed him down? yamato even said he cant beat oro who did not beat 4 tailed naruto.

itachi let sasuke win

itachi almost killed sasuke and left him to die of chakra exhaustion. obito saved his life. and he didnt let him win because he ddint win. he died of natural causes meaning his supposed rules for MS didnt apply and sasuek could never have gotten it as a result of that. only as a result of obitos story/memory.

madara never said mito intervene in the fight

why would he need to? he was trying to break down the kages will. why would he be like "oh yeah and that mito chick sealed the kyuubi that i was controlling" and kages would be like "wait kuubi was there? so you needed kyuubi jsut to fight my grandpa? DAMN your not so tough! and neither was he if he needed his wife!" saying only hashirama could ever stop him is much more intimdiating than saying he faked his death, stole hashiramas power to get rinnegan and thus someone to revive him if he died, and fought mito as well.

sasori lost LMAO (i think he just let his grandma win) btw sakura did most the work

sasori hesitated due to the fact he felt his parents embrace and couldnt completely become a puppet. chiyo controlled sakura for most of the fight

NOW SHOW ME A PANEL WHERE HASHI LOST TO MADARA W/KYUUBI SINCE THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOUR CLAIMING

show me him winning. no one could show a panel of that fight because it hasnt been shown yet

itachi let sasuke win

that would contradict his whole plan. if he killed himself then sasuke cant get MS as he had nothing to do with itachis death. sasuke was completely helpless and defeated and knew it.

.............when kabuto dies his edo are roaming free (hell even when he's alive) edo madara is having a good ol time(what can kabuto do about it????????????????????????????????????????????)

exactly. making it a normal summoning jutsu rather than something like sasoris puppets. kabuto could have wiped madaras mind but wanted to see him fight without aid.

 

[Hyuuga Neji 188]

1)Kabuto(edo tensei)
2)Madara(rinengan \EMS)
3)Tobi
4)Minato
5)Hashirama
6)Naruto
7)Sasuke
8)Itachi
9)Nagato
10)Orochimaru
11)J man

 

[~Sovereign~]

in that case madara cant use ems or mokuton and jiraiya cant use toads.

he used them to tie up minato, and get the 5 tails back under his control

it can seal up people like dan

no because would you say yamato defeated naruto in a fair fight or would you say he calmed him down? yamato even said he cant beat oro who did not beat 4 tailed naruto.

itachi almost killed sasuke and left him to die of chakra exhaustion. obito saved his life. and he didnt let him win because he ddint win. he died of natural causes meaning his supposed rules for MS didnt apply and sasuek could never have gotten it as a result of that. only as a result of obitos story/memory.

why would he need to? he was trying to break down the kages will. why would he be like "oh yeah and that mito chick sealed the kyuubi that i was controlling" and kages would be like "wait kuubi was there? so you needed kyuubi jsut to fight my grandpa? DAMN your not so tough! and neither was he if he needed his wife!" saying only hashirama could ever stop him is much more intimdiating than saying he faked his death, stole hashiramas power to get rinnegan and thus someone to revive him if he died, and fought mito as well.
sasori hesitated due to the fact he felt his parents embrace and couldnt completely become a puppet. chiyo controlled sakura for most of the fight

show me him winning. no one could show a panel of that fight because it hasnt been shown yet

that would contradict his whole plan. if he killed himself then sasuke cant get MS as he had nothing to do with itachis death. sasuke was completely helpless and defeated and knew it.


exactly. making it a normal summoning jutsu rather than something like sasoris puppets. kabuto could have wiped madaras mind but wanted to see him fight without aid.

look im done after this post if your gonna just speculate. Your completely calling the manga wrong and then have the nerve to try to correct me/prove me wrong by using speculation....all this stuff you post, yet i see NO link but i do see your speculation

1. so your saying chiyo did more than sakura?????????? btw sakuraa wasnt being control most of the fight

2. gedo mazo is not tobi's power because he is using the gedo mazo and he is not a jinchuuriki meaning NOT his power.....that different of have ems because ems is in your blood/body, gedo mazo is not connected to tobi

3. mito COULD'VE sealed kyuubi AFTER the fight unless you got proof that mito helped DURING the fight

4. we never seen flame barrier use to seal people (like how dan was)

5. YES yamato can beat 4 tails naruto because he has an advantage over him......just because 4t naruto>oro and oro>yamato doesnt mean 4t naruto>yamato

6. im not about to get into this, sasuke won because itachi wanted sasuke to kill him/see him die

7. i said chain can work on big things like killer bee but it'll be a hard time hit naruto with it........when did minato get hit with the chains

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....... looks like the end of the fight and madara is probably dead/faked his death already (hashi is talking to the kyuubi and madara seems to be nowhere in sight).....sooo that would mean mito didnt seal the kyuubi yet meaning mito didnt get evolved in the fight

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

so your saying chiyo did more than sakura?????????? btw sakuraa wasnt being control most of the fight

yes she was. only at the end did she not need chiyos help

YES yamato can beat 4 tails naruto because he has an advantage over him

so why do you now claim hashirama was simply superior to kurama if all he was was kuramas kryptonite? that same mokuton wouldnt supress a boss summon like manda II.

unless you got proof that mito helped DURING the fight

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gedo mazo is not tobi's power because he is using the gedo mazo

if he uses it, then its his summon. he can control it, he can summon it and force it to fight for him. that makes it his power. he got the contract from nagato like naruto got gama from jiraiya.

we never seen flame barrier use to seal people (like how dan was)

its obvious it can be used for that purpose for a stationary fighting style shinobi like a puppeteer

just because 4t naruto>oro and oro>yamato doesnt mean 4t naruto>yamato

thats exactly why yamato being > 4 tailed naruto doesnt mean hes stronger than naruto. he is just a bijuu kryptonite

6. im not about to get into this, sasuke won because itachi wanted sasuke to kill him/see him die

sasuke didnt win. he was going to die too if not for medical aid.

when did minato get hit with the chains

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hashi is talking to the kyuubi and madara seems to be nowhere in sight

OF COURSE NOT. THE PANEL IS TOO SMALL TO SHOW WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON

sooo that would mean mito didnt seal the kyuubi yet meaning mito didnt get evolved in the fight

no it doesnt. it means that she simply hadnt completed the sealing jutsu

 

[Datguyjr]

hashirama has literally never shown such a thing. its never even been IMPLIED.

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and kabuto has a counter to THAT ie sm's perception and speed. minato needs to hold someone down to seal them

Minato is faster then Kabuto, has amazing reflexes and has great Taijutsu, so I believe he could place his FTG seal on Kabuto and possibly seal him away with his sealing abilities.

they will if paralysed in genjutsu/white rage

So what your saying is, now Kabuto can defeat all his ET army (which you claim to be so impossible) + take on Minato at the same time and implant each one with his sealing tag? alright

manga stated mito defeated kurama and that madara pretty much intended on losing to fake his death/steal power for rinnegan and ensure his immortality via rinne tensei.

Hashirama defeated Kurama, after he defeated it she then sealed it within herself to better aid him. Madara lost, he didnt intend to do so but he survived and gained a some of Hashirama's abilities. Manga = Fact

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Contract Seal, under users.

if wikia is your only source, your in trouble

Minato is faster then Kabuto,

kabutos faster in terms of perception, reflexes and detecting danger/heat signatures. minatos "faster" because he can FTG.

so I believe he could place his FTG seal on Kabuto and possibly seal him away with his sealing abilities.

for sealing youd need to hold the target down or theyd just kill you before its complete. FTG seal would be removed as soon as kabuto sheds his skin

So what your saying is, now Kabuto can defeat all his ET army (which you claim to be so impossible) + take on Minato at the same time and implant each one with his sealing tag? alright

i never said that

Hashirama defeated Kurama

no he didnt. he supressed and calmed it down. did sakura haruno defeat curse sealed sasuke? no. she calmed him down and surperssed the seal though. then with madara having lost control over it, mito sealed it. it was already free from madara when hashirama applied the supression seal.

Madara lost, he didnt intend to do so

then how else is he supposed to get the bijuus if everyone is after his head? he HAD to fake his death and give his rinnegan to a random out of the way uzumaki.

 

[Datguyjr]

if wikia is your only source, your in trouble

It's a reliable source

kabutos faster in terms of perception, reflexes and detecting danger/heat signatures. minatos "faster" because he can FTG.

thats arguable because Minato has immense speed and instantaneous reflexes, not only because of FTG but his base in general.

for sealing youd need to hold the target down or theyd just kill you before its complete. FTG seal would be removed as soon as kabuto sheds his skin

but how would Kabuto know theirs a FTG seal on him? before he would even realize, Minato can catch him off guard & summons & clones can aid in holding the target.

i never said that

So how will Kabuto be able to paralyses all his ET in genjutsu/white rage while also fighting Minato?

no he didnt. he supressed and calmed it down. did sakura haruno defeat curse sealed sasuke? no. she calmed him down and surperssed the seal though. then with madara having lost control over it, mito sealed it. it was already free from madara when hashirama applied the supression seal.

Hashirama gained control over Kurama, meaning defeating it and did Sakura fight CS Sasuke? No, that connection has nothing to do with Hashirama's situation. Mito sealing Kurama within herself AFTER Hashirama defeated it to better aid him:

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then how else is he supposed to get the bijuus if everyone is after his head? he HAD to fake his death and give his rinnegan to a random out of the way uzumaki.

Link to proof of your theory? because Manga says other wise and Manga = Fact!

 

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Template for my top 10:

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This top 10 judges each ninja at their theoretical peak of power when they were alive, not counting plot related handicaps. This would mean that, for instance, Kabuto has all of his edos and still has Orochimaru's chakra. And when I say "not counting plot related handicaps" I mean that we would include a healthy Itachi (this really only gives him a boost in stamina) and a Nagato that can walk and has all of his paths in 1 body.

However, this top 10 is based ENTIRELY OFF OF FEATS. As a result, Hiruzen will certainly not make it, because from what we've seen from him, he would be defeated by tons of ninja. I know that his prime was far more powerful than what we've seen, but since we haven't seen it yet, it is impossible to argue for him in a hypothetical situation. For instance "Hiruzen beats CT because people say he's the strongest ninja" is ridiculous reasoning. There is no PROOF that he can beat CT, so as far as we know, he can't.

Also, each character's knowledge on another character is the peak of knowledge they would have in the manga.

Lastly, I put some explanations to some of the more debateable choices that I have made.

1. Kabuto with edos. No one can stop that army. Not even Tobi. Tobi's fighting style is to let the other character make the first move. Against Kabuto, that is a fatal mistake.

2. Rinnegan Tobi with Bijuus.

3. Rinnegan Madara (NO MOKUTON). He has no way of touching Tobi, and he cannot stand up to Kabuto's edo Army.

4. Nagato (legs are good, all the paths are in 1 body)

Why Nagato > Naruto​

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Naruto vs Nagato. This is honestly a tough one to decide, and I have been on the fence on it for a while. The truth is, Preta path is a killer here. Even a TBB can be tanked using that path. Naruto's speed is certainly something, but Nagato has his sensory abilities which would allow him to predict attacks, and with his ability to fly, he can put himself altogether out of reach. He also has the advantage of Gedo Mazo (in this case, not with the beasts within). That summon is something else as we all know. On top of that, there's the other summons, especially the dog summon, which cannot be killed. These summons can be used to distract Naruto's other summons, and eventually they will be overcome. BM is useless, as all of it's attacks, and it's overall make-up, is all chakra (Preta Path). BM is also not fast enough to hit Nagato (contrary to what I've seen, BM does not translate into an increase in speed over KM, it's actually a decrease in speed, but a massive increase in power). SM can be overcome as well. If SM Naruto gets close enough so that Nagato can suck his chakra, Nagato would have already killed him. Preta takes care of Rasenshuriken. So Naruto's only hope remains in KM and it's speed. However, this also has it's problems. KM also has a chakra cloak, so getting too close not at full speed would result in Nagato sucking away the chakra there. Similarly, Deva path is perfect for KM. Bansho Tenin can create a perfect combination attack with Nagato's other paths. Shinra Tensei can be used to repel Naruto's speed blitzes, and destroy clones. Asura Path can also be used with it's tracking missles to destroy clones and push Naruto into a trap. Not to mention clones can be dealt with Gedo Mazo, and also Nagato's mastery of all chakra types would be perfect to destroy clones and create traps.

Why Nagato > Minato​

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To begin with, Nagato based on what we know about Minato's attacks cannot be injured by anything Minato has. All chakra based attacks (Gama's water canon, rasengan) will certainly be absorbed by preta path. All physical attacks such as kunai will not do enough damage to kill Nagato due to Asura path, which is seemingly indestructible and allows him to repair himself. We also do not know if Nagato himself has a shorter time interval between using shinra tensei, seeing as how all of the paths in 1 body were far more powerful. One can assume that the interval between using Deva path is shorter. So shinra tensei would be more efficient and more powerful. Still, Minato is fast and smart enough to shoot the gap, but that brings us back to the first point I made, namely, what does Minato have that can actually hurt Nagato? The only thing I can think of is the Frog Song, and Nagato knows all about that. All he has to do is disrupt it with by blowing away the vibrations of the song, which can easily be done by Shinra Tensei. So the Frog song isn't a problem either.

But on the other hand, Nagato himself also has very few ways to defeat Minato. Asura path can be avoided easily, and the missiles could be shot back at Nagato, only to be shinra tensei'd away. Animal path won't do much more than to keep Minato's summons occupied. Bansho Tenin and Shinra tensei wouldn't work in the form of an attack, because Minato could teleport elsewhere without harm. However, they COULD be useful in a counter (particularly shinra tensei). If Nagato allows one of Minato's kunai to get close, he can wait for Minato to teleport to it and then use Shinra tensei when Minato isn't expecting a counter. It's a possible strategy. Nagato also CAN fly, or at least levitate. He did this right before he used Chou Shinra Tensei, and if you look at the picture, there are no movement lines meaning he isn't falling. This will certianly give him an advantage, as the only way Minato could reach Nagato is through FTG lvl 2, which Nagato could Shinra Tensei away.

Now, what I think seals the deal for Nagato is his 2 major attacks. Chou Shinra tensei cannot be avoided by Minato. It's a massive gravitational push coming from all sides of Nagato, which means there's no way to get behind it. All of Minato's kunai would be blown to impossibly far distances, and so Minato himself would have nowhere to go (without forfeiting the battle). And then there's CT, which would in my opinion win it for Nagato. The argument against this is Minato using his S/T barrier to send it far away, but this would not work because the S/T barrier is in effect a shield. As far as we know, the barrier can only be summoned in front of himself, and it is stationary, so it only stops moving projectiles. This means that when Nagato throws CT's core UP, Minato's only chance to stop it is to place the barrier in front of it before it becomes stationary. And since we cannot assume that he can create a barrier anywhere, Minato wouldn't be able to send CT away unless it's thrown AT him. Also, Minato does not know about CT, so he would in fact watch to see what happens, and by the time he understands its properties, it would be stationary. He has no way of destroying the core, and he and ALL of his Kunai would be sucked into it, including himself, so he has no way to escape either. CT in effect should be the deciding factor here.

So all in all, I must side with Nagato on this one, although it would a very close battle considering Minato's genius. I say Nagato wins 55-60/100 times.

Why Nagato > Itachi.
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We should all know why this is the case. People who disagree with that are beyond help at this point.

5. Naruto

Why Naruto > Minato​

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Speed. Naruto seems as though his speed is beyond Minato's ability to react. However, an attack like a TBB would be disatrous because Minato could send it right back at Naruto. This one is tough, but Naruto would most likely stay in KM to keep up with Minato's speed, and there I believe he can at least outlast Minato.

6. Minato

Why Minato > Itachi​

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also my additional comment:

"another possible strategy.

Minato has the space time barrier, allowing him to transport any projectile wherever he wants. This is frankly a secret OP jutsu. Just think. He could have Gama shoot a water cannonball and then warp it INTO Itachi's Susanoo. That should be entirely within the realm of possibility. Similarly, Minato could also warp one of his kunai into Susanoo, allowing him to teleport into it.

I just wanted to add another possible strategy to Minato's arsenal.

Edit: Also a possible argument to those of you saying that he would look into Itachi's eyes because he did against Tobi, a possible explanation is that Minato, knowing that Tobi was already using a genjutsu to control the fox, would be unable to use it on Minato at the same time. So Minato, understanding that he was not threatened by genjutsu, freely looked into Tobi's eyes."

7. Muu

Why Muu > Sasuke and Itachi​

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Read through this thread. Any opposition has been countered throughout it. Even though this only describes Muu > Itachi, the same arguments can be used for Muu vs Sasuke pretty much. Sasuke has no game-changing abilities.

8. Sasuke

Why Sasuke > Sasori​

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The difference between Sasuke and Itachi here is that Sasuke has more chakra (so he can keep up Susanoo longer), and his Susanoo's attack is a ranged technique. Unlike Itachi's sword, which Sasori can stay out of range of, Sasuke's arrows can shoot cover any range that Sasori attempts to use to defend himself. This and the possibility of successful genjutsu puts Sasuke slightly ahead for me.

9. Sasori

Why Sasori > Itachi​

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The result of this battle depends very much on one detail: whether Sasori can be affected by genjutsu or not.

Sasori knows his weak spot, and against a powerful opponent like Itachi, he would defend it. He openly showed it against Chiyo and Sakura because he believed them to be entirely inferior to him. He's smart enough not to make that mistake against Itachi. All he needs really is some clothing placed in front of it anyways. That is defense enough. And Itachi would never spam Amaterasu on Sasori's puppets, there are too many and Itachi would die very quickly if he does so.

Susanoo is pretty much a death trap for Itachi. Due to it's very limited mobility, Itachi would be unable to avoid poison gas. And he has to breath eventually, his ability to hold his breath would very likely not outlast the gas. So the only way to avoid the gas is to not use Susanoo, but then he faces the even bigger problem of Sasori's puppets, which Itachi would not be able to avoid. A scratch does it for him. At the worst, Sasori's puppets would certainly outlast Itachi if Itachi is forced to keep up Susanoo. While Itachi has Susanoo up as well, Sasori can stay out of range of Itachi's sword.

So after considering those two scenario's, Sasori can clearly be seen to have the upper hand. The problem now is genjutsu.

Genjutsu disrupts the chakra flow of a character. So theoretically, it SHOULD affect Sasori. But there's also the case that Genjutsu affects the chakra flow of a character's BRAIN, which Sasori DOESN'T have. However, the arguement can be made that those chakra functions now take place in Sasori's heart, so genjutsu would still affect it. But then there's the fact that Sasori has no real EYES, they're just there for show really. So would ocular genjutsu really work on him? It's a similar question to whether genjutsu would work on a Hyuuga who's eyes are closed and is using the Byakugan through his/her eyelids. There is a barrier between direct eye contact, and in the case of Sasori, there technically IS no eye contact, because one party doesn't have real eyes.

Basically, if Sasori is immune to genjutsu, he wins this. If he ISN'T, the battle gets a lot more interesting. I would still lean towards Sasori, but it's a lot closer.

10. Itachi (healthy).

 

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yes she was. only at the end did she not need chiyos help

so why do you now claim hashirama was simply superior to kurama if all he was was kuramas kryptonite? that same mokuton wouldnt supress a boss summon like manda II.

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if he uses it, then its his summon. he can control it, he can summon it and force it to fight for him. that makes it his power. he got the contract from nagato like naruto got gama from jiraiya.

its obvious it can be used for that purpose for a stationary fighting style shinobi like a puppeteer

thats exactly why yamato being > 4 tailed naruto doesnt mean hes stronger than naruto. he is just a bijuu kryptonite

sasuke didnt win. he was going to die too if not for medical aid.

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OF COURSE NOT. THE PANEL IS TOO SMALL TO SHOW WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON


no it doesnt. it means that she simply hadnt completed the sealing jutsu

1. im not talking about those chains that tobi used on minato (2 different chains)

2. mito clearly didnt interfere in hashi and madara fight .... you cant argue with manga, manga > anything you say/think

3. chiyo probably couldnt even get pass sasori's first pupet if not for sakura's brutal strength, sakura did about 60-70% of the fight...ALL chiyo mostly brung to the table was knowledge (which is alot) but chiyo wasnt strong enough to do the things sakura could...

4. the panel shows hashi clearly talking to kyuubi not madara.....i guess your gonna argue with manga...again

5. yamato can beat 4t because naruto wasnt in control of kyuubi at the time......i doubt wood can fully tame PERFECT HOST like naruto and killer bee currently

 

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any idiot can edit it. for reliable info check the source at the bottom of the page

@ FizzyDrink
why dont you think oro w/ edo hokages is top 10? and danzo w/ KA?
IMO oro with hokages destroys sasori.

but how would Kabuto know theirs a FTG seal on him? before he would even realize, Minato can catch him off guard & summons & clones can aid in holding the target.

kabuto is more likely to know a clone tech as he has oros abilities. im sure he will realise minato did somethihng when he touched him

because Manga says other wise

no it doesnt. we dont know what happened. you cant prove wrong my views no matter what you do

Hashirama gained control over Kurama, meaning defeating it a

no meaning supressnig it. theres absoltely no proof he physically fought it 1 vs 1 like third vs hachibi. he calmed it down then mito sealed it

No, that connection has nothing to do with Hashirama's situation

it has EVERYTHING to do with it. hashirama NEVER physically overpowered kyubui. did yamato? no. did madara? no. control/calm doesnt mean defeat and it never has.

So how will Kabuto be able to paralyses all his ET

he wont. its aimed at hashirama only

 

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mito clearly didnt interfere in hashi and madara fight .... you cant argue with manga

im not. she stepped in and sealed kurama after hashirama supressed it.

the panel shows hashi clearly talking to kyuubi not madara

i dont care and this has nothing to do wti anything.

yamato can beat 4t because naruto wasnt in control of kyuubi at the time......i doubt wood can fully tame PERFECT HOST like naruto and killer bee currently

and yet you think hashirama defeated kurama when all he did was tame it with bijuu kryptonite