Hashirama and Tobirama were at full power

[youralltrolls]

Kabuto is the one who perfected the edo.The first and second still retained their consciousness.Their powers were all there but Hiruzen used the repaer death seal so how strong they were was moot at that point.
Hiruzen was powerful he was trained by both of the senju brothers.
But he was not stronger.Kabuto said he was the strongest of his generation
That does not include either previous kage.Just pointing that out
before all the Hiruzen trolls come out of hiding

Kabuto says orochimaru perfected it.

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[OnPoint]

When you have an emotional tie, the edo tensei can be released. As seen with Sai and his brother. Reading must not be your thing..

Lawl, you can't even troll properly. If their emotions are not suppressed, the Edo Tensei can choose not to fight :/ Dispersing happens when the soul is set free because something which was binding them to the world was overcome you tool. Hashirama and Tobirama did not want to fight, so Orochimaru removed their free will and took control over them. Fail response is a fail.

 

[Roofy128]

oro was playing with the 3rd therefore the 1st and 2nd didnt use their full power, oro controlled them so they didnt use their full power in the fight just some of their sh*t, oro was too big headed

 

[Exaar]

Yes they were, but they never got a chance to use their full powers.

Oro was just Toying with hiruzen, So were his edo's, Oro would of won easily if he had gone at it with full power.
He underestimated Old hiruzen and he payed the price by losing his arms and his Edo kages.

I doubt even prime hiruzen can take on both senju brothers at once.

 

[SatchiZurake]

Where's proof he was dragging the fight out? The only time the kages toyed with hiruzen was when he was caught in the genjutsu. Every other time hiruzen countered them like a boss.

How bout that when he was in the genjutsu Orochimaru could have stabbed him through like he did the Kazekage, but instead decided to have his former senseis kick him around a little bit longer?

 

[Drakengard]

Based on Orochimaru's words and actions.. he seemed to be toying with Hiruzen more than anything. With 2 Edo Hokages on his side, he could afford to be cocky. This ended up being a mistake however, since Hiruzen had a forbidden jutsu that quote on quote even he didn't know about. This, plus the obvious display of the Will of Fire in action, was the reason that Hiruzen won the fight. Doesn't have to be any harder than that >_>

 

[youralltrolls]

Lawl, you can't even troll properly. If their emotions are not suppressed, the Edo Tensei can choose not to fight :/ Dispersing happens when the soul is set free because something which was binding them to the world was overcome you tool. Hashirama and Tobirama did not want to fight, so Orochimaru removed their free will and took control over them. Fail response is a fail.

Itachi and Nagato fought with their emotions not suppressed along with asuma and dan.

 

[Bijuu Kage]

well duh

 

[OnPoint]

Itachi and Nagato fought with their emotions not suppressed along with asuma and dan.

Itachi escaped Kabuto's control with Kotoamatsukami :/

Nagato did have his emotions suppressed:

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Kabuto can control people's bodies without suppressing their personalities. Problem is, some people's will is strong enough to overcome that - full control is needed.

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[Unorthodox]

agree but hashi fans will deny

 

[MystNin13]

Yeah i was wondering and i always look back on that fight with two options:

1. Hashirama was fighting it so that he wasnt completely controlled and fighting at his full petential

2. Kishi didnt know that Hashirama was going to be such great and legendary shinobi that early in the series

 

[youralltrolls]

Itachi escaped Kabuto's control with Kotoamatsukami :/

Nagato did have his emotions suppressed:

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Explain Asuma and Dan.

As a matter of fact, Hashirama says before the tag is even put in that they have to fight against him.

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[youralltrolls]

Yeah i was wondering and i always look back on that fight with two options:

1. Hashirama was fighting it so that he wasnt completely controlled and fighting at his full petential

2. Kishi didnt know that Hashirama was going to be such great and legendary shinobi that early in the series

I think kishi decided to make hashirama seem godly but he is always going to be remember as getting beaten by a 69 year old man while having full access to his powers according to Kabuto.

 

[OnPoint]

Explain Asuma and Dan.

As a matter of fact, Hashirama says before the tag is even put in that they have to fight against him.

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Kabuto can control people's bodies without suppressing their personalities. Problem is, some people's will is strong enough to overcome that - full control is needed.

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Lol, you'd like to ignore the tag (to control them) which Orochimaru put into the Hokage's heads, wouldn't you? Honestly, have you been reading at all?

 

[youralltrolls]

Kabuto can control people's bodies without suppressing their personalities. Problem is, some people's will is strong enough to overcome that - full control is needed.

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Lol, you'd like to ignore the tag (to control them) which Orochimaru put into the Hokage's heads, wouldn't you? Honestly, have you been reading at all?

The tag isn't put in their head until after he says they are forced to fight against him.

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Anything Kabuto can do with Edo Tensei, orochimaru is able too as well in terms of control. The manga says Orochimaru perfected it and that they can use all their abilities. Keep on ignoring the manga.

 

[OnPoint]

The tag isn't put in their head until after he says they are forced to fight against him.

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Because they knew Orochimaru was about to take control of them - Tobirama was the one who invented the jutsu for crying out loud. Your reading comprehension fails.

Anything Kabuto can do with Edo Tensei, orochimaru is able too as well in terms of control. The manga says Orochimaru perfected it and that they can use all their abilities. Keep on ignoring the manga.

LMAO. What is this? Of course they retain all their abilities. But while Orochimaru has full control over them, he cannot possibly use them so that they're fighting at the same level of their autonomous forms. You think Orochimaru controlling Hashirama = The one which fought Madara + Kyuubi? I think you've even failed in comprehending what people in this thread have actually said. The mere fact that Flower tree world, S/T ninjutsu and Mokuton Kage Bunshin were not used should allow for even the pre-school readers to understand that Orochimaru did not use them to their MAX capabilities.

 

[youralltrolls]

Because they knew Orochimaru was about to take control of them - Tobirama was the one who invented the jutsu for crying out loud. Your reading comprehension fails.

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Orochimaru took control of them next chapter.

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Also Tobirama could of released the jutsu but didn't. Just pointing that out here.


LMAO. What is this? Of course they retain all their abilities. But while Orochimaru has full control over them, he cannot possibly use them so that they're fighting at the same level of their autonomous forms. You think Orochimaru controlling Hashirama = The one which fought Madara + Kyuubi? I think you've even failed in comprehending what people in this thread have actually said.

The manga states they retained all their abilities and orochimaru had full control. Your now just making assumptions. Keep trying but your argument has no facts to stand on.

 

[OnPoint]

lol done with your trolling here. Nice to know that was the "same" Hashirama which fought EMS Madara + Kyuubi. There are pre-school readers who can understand this.

 

[youralltrolls]

lol done with your trolling here. Nice to know that was the "same" Hashirama which fought EMS Madara + Kyuubi. There are pre-school readers who can understand this.

You just have no real argument. Its not like you provided any facts that disproved me. You simply made yourself look stupid.

 

[Prince Charles]

Nice troll