599 Has no meaning if it were Databook accurate

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I completely understand people's problems with chapter 599, but I honestly feel that if the chapter were made Databook accurate, that it would have no meaning to the story. Not to mention, if it wasn't for NB, I would have had no idea this chapter was Databook inaccurate, but that's beside the point xd.

Now I know that Minato's face among the Kage monument is a mistake, but the focus of my argument revolves around Kakashi and his team. We know for a fact that Kakashi was partnered with Obito and Rin back in Kakashi Gaiden. However, technically that plot was inaccurate based on the Databooks as well because if Kakashi had graduated at age 5, he would not have been the same team as Obito and Rin to begin with. Rather, he would have been permanently teamed up with two completely different people, people 4 years older than Obito and Rin. So if you went by the databooks alone, Kishi's idea of the Kakashi/ Obito/ Rin team is completely impossible and destroys the consistency that we know in regard to his 3-man team concept.

Always remember that the 3-man team is a huge focus in Kishi's work. Basically, once your 3-man team is established, you continue to work with those people through your entire life as a shinobi. In the manga, its clear that only 3 person teams can enter the chuunin exam together, but it's also very common for only a few shinobi to become chuunin at any given exam. So how is it even theoretically possible for people like Ino and Chouji to have become Chuunin in the first place considering they couldn't retake the exam without Shikimaru? I mean we can assume that they team up with other genin from the village, but I'm just saying that this could be considered a manga inaccuracy as well.

The whole point I'm trying to make here is that the Kakashi/ Obito/ Rin 3-man squad means a lot to the story. It essentially shaped the man that Kakashi is today. If Kishi had suddenly broken up this team that we've known about for 350 chapters, I think that would have been far worse than suffering a Databook inconsistency. In addition, I think we can all agree that Manga > Databooks so in a way, Kishi is telling us that what he just told us in 599 trumps the Databook information he gave us on Kakashi. I mean we all know that Kakashi was better than both Rin and Obito to begin with, so that is all the Databook really tells us, that Kakashi had much greater potential than either of them to begin with.

Please be fair and consider Kishi's side of this. Does he really expect all fans to know the databooks inside and out? Again, if it wasn't for discussion sites, 95% of us would never had been any the wiser. Anyway, let me know if this made you re-think things a bit. I honestly feel that this is more a case of Kishi trying to put more meaning behind the 3-man team and less about staying consistent with the Databook. Post up if you want to discuss.
 
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Yeah, databooks don't really count for anything in my opinion. The manga is the only solid proof we have. It must come directly from Kishimoto to be true. Warning: I swear if I see another troll talk about how Kishi made a mistake so everything in the manga must be wrong.... Well, let's keep good thoughts. :D
 
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What you are saying is that the Manga > Databook which I understand. I don't know about the Minato thing. Kakashi's 3-man cell timeline during the exams could have confused a lot because Obito's failure to become Chuunin. I don't really know. It just to complicated to understand until Kishi gives more detail of Obito or Tobi back-story.
 

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i have no care for the data book. ive only ever seen people quoting stats out of it. the manga is the meat of this whole operation so why really care about a little naruto book to add on to naruto merchandise. its not like the data book is sewed into the manga. it cant be since theirs inconsistency
 

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Always remember that the 3-man team is a huge focus in Kishi's work. Basically, once your 3-man team is established, you continue to work with those people through your entire life as a shinobi. In the manga, its clear that only 3 person teams can enter the chuunin exam together, but it's also very common for only a few shinobi to become chuunin at any given exam. So how is it even theoretically possible for people like Ino and Chouji to have become Chuunin in the first place considering they couldn't retake the exam without Shikimaru? I mean we can assume that they team up with other genin from the village, but I'm just saying that this could be considered a manga inaccuracy as well.
Well a kage can always just upgrade a shinobi to a higher rank if they wanted to.
 

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I agree, I think it was, as a whole, better to put them all around the same age to sort of parallel with the beginning of the manga (with Naruto and co) so readers, esp the younger readers, can easily imagine what the previous generation was like.
Just bums me out cuz it is an inconsistency, of course Kishi owns Naruto so we can't really complain, but heck, I'd like to imagine a 6 year old Kakashi already kicking ass :p

But, what then can we take from the databooks? Did Itachi really become ANBU captain at age 11? and other facts...especially the ages since people have been calculating them to try to support how Tobito vs Minato would have worked...I just don't see him being around 17 in Gaiden...

Also, after re-reading the chapter, I don't really have a problem with Minato's face anymore, because...if people think about it, how there's no dialogue, and Obito is explaining how he wants to become Hokage...
Maybe it was already known (at least by Obito and co) that Minato was the next Hokage but didn't officially get the title until after the war...
So it wouldn't make sense to have Obito standing right next to Sandaime's head or an empty space in the mountain where Minato's head is SUPPOSED to be, but rather just fill it in with Yondaime and show how he wants to be next in line AFTER Minato..(someone prob already mentioned this but yeah...)
 
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tbh i only read the bold and i dont like this thread
Maybe you should take a little more time :confused:

What you are saying is that the Manga > Databook which I understand. I don't know about the Minato thing. Kakashi's 3-man cell timeline during the exams could have confused a lot because Obito's failure to become Chuunin. I don't really know. It just to complicated to understand until Kishi gives more detail of Obito or Tobi back-story.
But Kishi's idea of a 3-man team is that they are all piers that graduated the same year. If this was to stay consistent, Kakashi, Obito and Rin would have all had to graduate from the academy the same year, but that didn't happen.

In 599, Kishi made it seem as if they all graduated at the same time and Kakashi simply graduated earlier than them.
 

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Maybe you should take a little more time :confused:



But Kishi's idea of a 3-man team is that they are all piers that graduated the same year. If this was to stay consistent, Kakashi, Obito and Rin would have all had to graduate from the academy the same year, but that didn't happen.

In 599, Kishi made it seem as if they all graduated at the same time and Kakashi simply graduated earlier than them.
The Chuunin Exams are held twice in the same year which means Kakashi indeed graduate before Rin and/or more likely, Obito. Obito and/or Rin just graduate the Second term of the Chuunin Exams. What the data-book and Manga has in-common with each other could be accurate or whatever, but the Manga is still progressing. You also have translation errors which could cause misunderstandings in the Manga.
 
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Yeah, databooks don't really count for anything in my opinion. The manga is the only solid proof we have. It must come directly from Kishimoto to be true. Warning: I swear if I see another troll talk about how Kishi made a mistake so everything in the manga must be wrong.... Well, let's keep good thoughts. :D
The Databooks are Kishi's words though. Kishi made the Databooks as well to go along with Naruto.
 
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