k i am starting to see how sharigan is a lil bit stronger then rinnegan jus a lil

[Izuna Uchiha]

1. Who said Pain obey to Madara?
Madara is Mastermind in Akatsuki,hes the founder! Is it so hard to understand ? Pain thinks hes most powerful,A God,why would he resist to go capture 9-tails,its fun for him,hes not afraid of anything.
2. Did we saw what real Pain/Nagato can do with Rinnegan? All we saw is 6 dummys with copied eyes-which can only do is-share field of vision.


Wait till Kishi shows "original" Pain and then say Sharingan is weaker/stronger.

let's answer ur question:

1: Let's put u in the situation... I'm madara and ur Pein. I come at ur ''house'' and tell u that I want u to go on a mission that is certainly dangerous and that u have to success ur mission. To me, just to me that sound like a boss speaking to his worker... If Pein was the leader he shouldn't have needed the order of madara to go after the 9 tails!

2: Well if like u say the Real Pein is so mighty powerful, why don't he comes out? I'm going to tell u, because he know that even with his real body he can't win, so he won't risk his life in an attempt to kill madara! Seriously, Pein think of himself has a god! How could a god accept to receive order! He know he's no match that's all.

 

[meercy]

let's answer ur question:

1: Let's put u in the situation... I'm madara and ur Pein. I come at ur ''house'' and tell u that I want u to go on a mission that is certainly dangerous and that u have to success ur mission. To me, just to me that sound like a boss speaking to his worker... If Pein was the leader he shouldn't have needed the order of madara to go after the 9 tails!

2: Well if like u say the Real Pein is so mighty powerful, why don't he comes out? I'm going to tell u, because he know that even with his real body he can't win, so he won't risk his life in an attempt to kill madara! Seriously, Pein think of himself has a god! How could a god accept to receive order! He know he's no match that's all.

im gonna have to agree....

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

im gonna have to agree....

thk!

 

[9tailsSage]

we will have to wait to see nagato first. we really have not seen the true power of the rinnegan yet until nagato is reviled. pain is just one of his jutsus, the possessor of the rinnegan is suppose to be able to learn every jutsu in the world and every element as well. the sharingan is a genjutsu eye tech and the rinnegan is a ninjutsu eye tech. we still have not see its full capabilities. riduko senin who posse the eyes first created the entire ninja world and ninjutsu thus it created the sharingan and byakugan.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

we will have to wait to see nagato first. we really have not seen the true power of the rinnegan yet until nagato is reviled. pain is just one of his jutsus, the possessor of the rinnegan is suppose to be able to learn every jutsu in the world and every element as well. the sharingan is a genjutsu eye tech and the rinnegan is a ninjutsu eye tech. we still have not see its full capabilities. riduko senin who posse the eyes first created the entire ninja world and ninjutsu thus it created the sharingan and byakugan.

even if the rinnegan did make derivation like the sharingan and the Byakugan, doesn't mean that it necessarily make is user superior to a sharingan user!

My proof,just look at my previous tread where I explain why madara is stronger than pein.

 

[9tailsSage]

even if the rinnegan did make derivation like the sharingan and the Byakugan, doesn't mean that it necessarily make is user superior to a sharingan user!

My proof,just look at my previous tread where I explain why madara is stronger than pein.

i really can not for sure say madara is stronger then pain because madara has only been seen talking to pain not nagato. we still have to see how powerful nagato is. for all we know he is just using madara to get the bijuus and then he takes him out. he is just waiting for his opportunity. i think madara has no true idea of nagato's motives. both have their own agenda's.

madara probably wants to restore his full power by capturing the kyuubi. my theory is that the kyuubi and the sharingan are connected they can exist without the other. well i believe that when the kyuubi warned sasuke that is he killed naruto it would come to regret it. and the data book 3 says that the kyuubi knows the secrete of naruto's own power and madara's power and agenda and his secretes. here goes i believe that when minato sealed away the yin portion of the kyuubi he also sealed away part of madara's power who had a strong connection with the kyuubi. that is why he only shows one of his eyes because he got his other eye messed up by minato using the shiki fuujin to seal away the yin chakra. many people believe that the sharingan is a combination of yin in yang combined together. like most KKG are a combination of two elements. so madara wants the other bijuus to try and restore the yin chakra to the kyuubi and thus regain his true power. that is why i think he is using pain to seal the bijuu's in the statue. the data book states that the sealing jutsu was created by pain. madara is probably the person who made nagato turn out to create pains as a god entity. madara just knows how to manipulate weak minded people like he did with sasuke. he must have found nagato and konan after yahiko was killed and they were desperate and he offered them a way to bring yahiko's wishes to reality to bring peace. i still believe nagato is stronger then madara as the rinnegan is the power to create and destroy.

the rinnegan is the power of the gods according to jiriaya and it was sent to the world when times are bad either to save it or destroy it. we should not underestimate what jiriaya said it being the strongest of all the three. just cause you listen to some one does not mean he is stronger then you but that you agree with their views or you are just using them for your own gain. which could be peace or something else.

sorry for the long post.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

i really can not for sure say madara is stronger then pain because madara has only been seen talking to pain not nagato. we still have to see how powerful nagato is. for all we know he is just using madara to get the bijuus and then he takes him out. he is just waiting for his opportunity. i think madara has no true idea of nagato's motives. both have their own agenda's.

madara probably wants to restore his full power by capturing the kyuubi. my theory is that the kyuubi and the sharingan are connected they can exist without the other. well i believe that when the kyuubi warned sasuke that is he killed naruto it would come to regret it. and the data book 3 says that the kyuubi knows the secrete of naruto's own power and madara's power and agenda and his secretes. here goes i believe that when minato sealed away the yin portion of the kyuubi he also sealed away part of madara's power who had a strong connection with the kyuubi. that is why he only shows one of his eyes because he got his other eye messed up by minato using the shiki fuujin to seal away the yin chakra. many people believe that the sharingan is a combination of yin in yang combined together. like most KKG are a combination of two elements. so madara wants the other bijuus to try and restore the yin chakra to the kyuubi and thus regain his true power. that is why i think he is using pain to seal the bijuu's in the statue. the data book states that the sealing jutsu was created by pain. madara is probably the person who made nagato turn out to create pains as a god entity. madara just knows how to manipulate weak minded people like he did with sasuke. he must have found nagato and konan after yahiko was killed and they were desperate and he offered them a way to bring yahiko's wishes to reality to bring peace. i still believe nagato is stronger then madara as the rinnegan is the power to create and destroy.

the rinnegan is the power of the gods according to jiriaya and it was sent to the world when times are bad either to save it or destroy it. we should not underestimate what jiriaya said it being the strongest of all the three. just cause you listen to some one does not mean he is stronger then you but that you agree with their views or you are just using them for your own gain. which could be peace or something else.

sorry for the long post.

Great theory, I find ur idea especially interesting in the 2nd and 3rd paragraph, but I have some problem with the 1st,look:

How can nagato be using madara? I mean madara hasn't done anything so far, and I mean anything excecpt giving orders and sealing Bijuu. So if nagato was the real leader ( and though he was strong enough to kick madara out of the picture) he would have kill madara long ago for his uselessness and his lack of respect to him. More, if konoha has come to discover (or almost) the secret of nagato, don't tell me that Madara don't! He even have zetsu at his service, that check every member 24/24. Considering that pein is not stupid, he know that madara know his true power, meaning that he's not hidding is true power to him to make a surprise attack, it would be useless. If those 2 know each others power and they still act has boss and worker, it's for a reason!

Madara is stronger than Pein.

 

[ravalstoney]

i really can not for sure say madara is stronger then pain because madara has only been seen talking to pain not nagato. we still have to see how powerful nagato is. for all we know he is just using madara to get the bijuus and then he takes him out. he is just waiting for his opportunity. i think madara has no true idea of nagato's motives. both have their own agenda's.

madara probably wants to restore his full power by capturing the kyuubi. my theory is that the kyuubi and the sharingan are connected they can exist without the other. well i believe that when the kyuubi warned sasuke that is he killed naruto it would come to regret it. and the data book 3 says that the kyuubi knows the secrete of naruto's own power and madara's power and agenda and his secretes. here goes i believe that when minato sealed away the yin portion of the kyuubi he also sealed away part of madara's power who had a strong connection with the kyuubi. that is why he only shows one of his eyes because he got his other eye messed up by minato using the shiki fuujin to seal away the yin chakra. many people believe that the sharingan is a combination of yin in yang combined together. like most KKG are a combination of two elements. so madara wants the other bijuus to try and restore the yin chakra to the kyuubi and thus regain his true power. that is why i think he is using pain to seal the bijuu's in the statue. the data book states that the sealing jutsu was created by pain. madara is probably the person who made nagato turn out to create pains as a god entity. madara just knows how to manipulate weak minded people like he did with sasuke. he must have found nagato and konan after yahiko was killed and they were desperate and he offered them a way to bring yahiko's wishes to reality to bring peace. i still believe nagato is stronger then madara as the rinnegan is the power to create and destroy.

the rinnegan is the power of the gods according to jiriaya and it was sent to the world when times are bad either to save it or destroy it. we should not underestimate what jiriaya said it being the strongest of all the three. just cause you listen to some one does not mean he is stronger then you but that you agree with their views or you are just using them for your own gain. which could be peace or something else.

sorry for the long post.

once again, im new here, but i would think that madara has to b stronger. if u consider his age alone, hes the longest living uchiha, which to me says hes had a long time to perfect the MS. if pein hasnt mastered his tech, hed fall 2 the most experienced fighter in the manga. I am biased since i do think uchiha is the greatest, but who the user is is more important than the weapon being used

 

[tristan]

Sorry it insn't >.< Rinnegan is the most powerful one of the 3 eye-techniques.

Narutoverse eye techniques:

Rinnegan: can use all ninjutsus, has an amountful of views; a total of 6. rinnegan is weak against one on one battle...
Byakugan: sees chakra points and enemies from distance, and sight covers "almost" all angles: can be efficiently used together with taijutsus or techniques to seal chakra...weakness is somewhere near the back vertebrae...
Sharingan: mainly used for genjutsus; and copying techniques; is weak against a team battle because genjutsu will be rendered useless when someone forces chakra to the genjutsu caught nin...

according to the narutoverse, rinnegan is the most powerful considering its usage BUT why does pain accepts order from tobi / madara? well its really simple, maybe he knows pain's weaknesses; considering of his vast knowledge in battling enemies by living that long, madara can put an advantage to himself against pain...

i agree as to what the top comment says: its the user not the weapon
like in initial d: its the driver that makes the big difference...

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Narutoverse eye techniques:

Rinnegan: can use all ninjutsus, has an amountful of views; a total of 6. rinnegan is weak against one on one battle...
Byakugan: sees chakra points and enemies from distance, and sight covers "almost" all angles: can be efficiently used together with taijutsus or techniques to seal chakra...
Sharingan: mainly used for genjutsus; and copying techniques; is weak against a team battle because genjutsu will be rendered useless when someone forces chakra to the genjutsu caught nin...

according to the narutoverse, rinnegan is the most powerful considering its usage BUT why does pain accepts order from tobi / madara? well its really simple, maybe he knows pain's weaknesses; considering of his vast knowledge in battling enemies by living that long, madara can put an advantage to himself against pain...

i agree as to what the top comment says: its the user not the weapon
like in initial d: its the driver that makes the big difference...

2 things:

1: Do u remember the chunin exam, when we first saw neji fight? kakashi said that the Byakugan was considered better than the sharingan... So even if the sharingan isn't considered the most powerful, the shinobi who use it have successfully unlock all of his known potential has been revealed to be more powerful than the 2 other one (see my previous tread).
2: u've said it, pein's WEAKNESS. The strongest point in a system is only has good has it's weakest! Meaning that an all around good ninja is better than an godly powerful ninja with a deadly flaw...

 

[Kazamori]

Wish I was home to discuss here more...I just tryed to reply,made whole text,and it got deleted somehow =/
Well I wanted to say :
Pain rules! =D bahahahaha
Be afraid!

 

[meercy]

2 things:

1: Do u remember the chunin exam, when we first saw neji fight? kakashi said that the Byakugan was considered better than the sharingan... So even if the sharingan isn't considered the most powerful, the shinobi who use it have successfully unlock all of his known potential has been revealed to be more powerful than the 2 other one (see my previous tread).
2: u've said it, pein's WEAKNESS. The strongest point in a system is only has good has it's weakest! Meaning that an all around good ninja is better than an godly powerful ninja with a deadly flaw...

Once again i agree....
Its like this i believe.... Sum ppl refuse to believe pein is weak cause he has the stronger technique....But they have said it time and time b4....

It doesnt matter how strong u are....
Wat matters is how effective the user, uses hes ability....

Madara has been here for 100 yrs atleast...he knows everybodies clan and moves....
Do ppl not believe he has the advantage over everyone....?

One move madara has is space time jutsu...How will pein even touch madara ?

 

[squiremarcus]

Once again i agree....
Its like this i believe.... Sum ppl refuse to believe pein is weak cause he has the stronger technique....But they have said it time and time b4....

It doesnt matter how strong u are....
Wat matters is how effective the user, uses hes ability....

Madara has been here for 100 yrs atleast...he knows everybodies clan and moves....
Do ppl not believe he has the advantage over everyone....?

One move madara has is space time jutsu...How will pein even touch madara ?

NOw just hold on for 1 minute, the name of this thread is what is stronger the rinnegan or the sharingan
not who is better pein or madara,
and I think that you said it urself
pein haas " the stronger techneque"
so why are you argueing againtst what you said?

 

[TC9tails]

interesting theory....maybe ur right but its said that rinnegan is the most powerful eye technique so i doubt sharingan is stronger..

 

[meercy]

NOw just hold on for 1 minute, the name of this thread is what is stronger the rinnegan or the sharingan
not who is better pein or madara,
and I think that you said it urself
pein haas " the stronger techneque"
so why are you argueing againtst what you said?

cause i was responding of someone else and not the title of the thread to an extent...
And the title of this is.. i am starting to see how the sharringan is a lil bit stronger...
So i was explaining in sum sort of how it can be...

 

[SAKumono26]

umm
u guyz r missing the pic ture
like i am saying
saskue is able to enter subconchis like narutos to surpress the kyubi right
well
how pain works is throught 6th paths 7 once that is gone he comes out but i think there is a reaosn pain divdes hisp ower in 6th paths
cause he fears that his tru self may destroy the world

 

[Zeranion]

I think it's abit too early to say wich one is more powerfull, i think we have not seen the full power of rinnegan yet. So far ive got the impression that sharingan is more for genjutsu, and predicting. Rinnegan seems to be more of a ninjutsu thing, wich supposedly gives the user the ability to use all elements and probably almost all jutsus, not to mention what kind of effect is has on the users chacka levels, since a few mangas back i don't remember what part it was but some shinobis really wondered if pain really was a god. It could easily be as powerfull or more powerfull than the kyyubi chackra. It might seem that the fox chakra is insanely powerfull, but thats probably because there is so much of it, and usually it's always abit out of control destroying the surroundings around naruto, once naruto gets it under control it doesn't do it anymore. Pain however seems to have full control.

 

[Devlin]

This is just my opinion but i don't think you can't really judge which is stronger yet as we are yet to see the full potential of both of the eye techniques,we don't know what happens if nagato can use the rinnegan in one body,his own. In regards to wot someone else said about madara using pein like he did sasuke (if i remember right sasuke is using him and is just playing along....) Pein could be doing the exact same thing... interesting theory about madara approaching nagato when yahiko died,possible,very possible...this could lead to nagato regretting everything as he did it out of spite and was being manipulated because his friend died.Konan is sticking with him no matter wot he's done and just wants to look out him.(not really wanting to be bad inentionally) There were rumours about naruto gaining the rinnegan why would this happen?seriously?you think he hasn't got enough as it is?I mean he's just getting to grips with sage techniques and will be learning the 4th's jutsu's...there just isn't enough time for them to fit it in.. it would be possible if there were time skip,but they just wouldn't do it,it would defeat the object of naruto being the under dog and beating the better opponent on sheer guts and determination :naruto: but i mean to get back on point i mean all we've seen from byakugan isn't much and the sharingan was meant to derive from it,yet the sharingan has so much more potential i mean you can't really do much with byakugan when you think about it.....who's to say that sharingan isn't part of evolution and is the better of the 3 techniques....just something to ponder on...

 

[tristan]

NOw just hold on for 1 minute, the name of this thread is what is stronger the rinnegan or the sharingan
not who is better pein or madara,
and I think that you said it urself
pein haas " the stronger techneque"
so why are you argueing againtst what you said?

meercy knows nuthin dude...he always go out of topic and believes in only his ideas alone...anyway you can check all his thread posts and you'll see... pointless to comment on this guy

 

[tristan]

2 things:

1: Do u remember the chunin exam, when we first saw neji fight? kakashi said that the Byakugan was considered better than the sharingan... So even if the sharingan isn't considered the most powerful, the shinobi who use it have successfully unlock all of his known potential has been revealed to be more powerful than the 2 other one (see my previous tread).
2: u've said it, pein's WEAKNESS. The strongest point in a system is only has good has it's weakest! Meaning that an all around good ninja is better than an godly powerful ninja with a deadly flaw...

so what's your point? are you agreeing or disagreeing with what i wrote?
hmmm, i think we both have the same view...try re-reading my comments dude...