Who is the better Taijutsu User? Sasuke or Rock Lee?

[The Work]

Lol Lee.....whoever says Sasuke is obviously a fanboy....Lee pwns in taitjutsu

 

[Frikid]

You say yourself Sasuke was training for a month souly in taijutsu to bring up his skills in taijutsu, yet if you do an ultimate comparison between Lee and Sasuke from any angle, even that one month training didn't compare to the years of training that Lee has had. The reason is when Lee trains in in the one and only area he ever tains in, he gets much more out of it than Sasuke does. Sasuke worked souly on speed during that one month. His speed increased but we didn't see an finaminal increase in any power, stamina, or skill for that matter.

In that one month, Sasuke demonstrated a level of taijutsu profficiency that wasn't anything above what we've seen him do in say his fight against Orochimaru in the Forest of Death. We saw one aspect of his overall physical character increase. Lee continues to gets stronger in his physicla chararacter and skill. In that raw comparison you did, you saw Sasuke able to match speed in a month's worth of training when (1) based on his stats and in fights prior to Lee, he has been naturally swift and (2) Based on what we saw from the point of Gaara's fight and beyond until maybe his final fights with Naruto, he only trained to up his speed.

Basically what I'm saying is, you're comparison Sasukes training>Lee's training is flawed. Sasuke dedicated to one aspect for an entire month to increase one aspect, while Lee works in a more worldly fasion with his training to gradually obtain greater results overall instead of in one specific area. Not to mention the raw physical discipline for Lee to unlock the gates is something that wasn't coppied by Sasuke so easily. Counting the Inner Gates for use in a Taijutsu fight, releasing the gates is only an extension one's ability to push beyond physically set bounderies and unlock inner power. It's tapping into inner power and is in no way restricted as a kekkei genkai would be and it doesn't constitute as Non-taijutsu technique.

Its shown clearly in manga, sasuke is a fast learner.
Sasuke, learned chidori + gained high speed + did same taijutus as lee, in time span of one month.
and Base sasuke did the same damage to gaara as base lee did.


Lee with gates would not be a fair taijutsu fight.
and if you think lee would need help of gates to win from sasuke, i already won the argument.

While sasuke did it in farless time, It take alot of stamina for him to keep that Level of speed up, because it isn't natural to him unlike it is to Lee.

So if Part one sasuke (without curse) went up Against part one Lee sasuke would tire out quicker than lee would.

Also while Lee Trains for 3years purely in Taijutsu, Sasuke has had to Train in Tai/Gen/Nin/Kenjutsu and mastering his sharingan.

Also the Databooks give Lee a 5 in Taijutsu, while sasuke only has a 3.5.

Sasuke hasn't seem to of done much training since he has left Oro or Gotten EMS.
I see no reason to up sasuke's Taijutsu to "5" from a current 3.5, and yes i'm aware that they're out of date. Still it's a big gap.

sasuke don't got much of training??
Well, the battles he gets involved are more than enough.

Couldn't you see his continuous progress in battles ?


Just because lee specialize in taijutsu doesn't mean he have to be the best at it.
If they both had a pure taijutsu fight ,Sasuke's sharingan gives him a big advantage.

 

[Retsu]

Its shown clearly in manga, sasuke is a fast learner.
Sasuke, learned chidori + gained high speed + did same taijutus as lee, in time span of one month.
and Base sasuke did the same damage to gaara as base lee did.


Lee with gates would not be a fair taijutsu fight.
and if you think lee would need help of gates to win from sasuke, i already won the argument.





sasuke don't got much of training??
Well, the battles he gets involved are more than enough.

Couldn't you see his continuous progress in battles ?


Just because lee specialize in taijutsu doesn't mean he have to be the best at it.
If they both had a pure taijutsu fight ,Sasuke's sharingan gives him a big advantage.

Honestly the only thing that helped Sasuke over Gaara was his ninjutsu, and Sasuke couldn't maintain his speed nearly as long as lee could. Furthermore, even though Sasuke has sharingan, there's no guarantee he could keep up with Lee's drunken style movements as it's very unpredictable just like Bee's 7 sword style.

Sasuke's Sharingan is a KG, so in a pure taijutsu fight, he'd get raped, because as we all know, sharingan can be turned on or off, if Lee has no gates, Sasuke has no sharingan, and honestly at that point, Naruto could beat him in taijutsu, with a few clones of course, but the main point is that Sasukes taijutsu isn't anywhere near as good as Lee's

 

[Exaar]

Its shown clearly in manga, sasuke is a fast learner.
Sasuke, learned chidori + gained high speed + did same taijutus as lee, in time span of one month.
and Base sasuke did the same damage to gaara as base lee did.


Lee with gates would not be a fair taijutsu fight.
and if you think lee would need help of gates to win from sasuke, i already won the argument.





sasuke don't got much of training??
Well, the battles he gets involved are more than enough.

Couldn't you see his continuous progress in battles ?


Just because lee specialize in taijutsu doesn't mean he have to be the best at it.
If they both had a pure taijutsu fight ,Sasuke's sharingan gives him a big advantage.

As i Posted the databook stats, Lee has a solid 5 in Taijutsu, Sasuke has 3.5.
That alone shows the Gap between their Taijutsu skills, Yes it's outdated meaning they have both gotten better, but i havn't seen much to think sasuke has closed this Gap.

Sasukes "continuous Progress" is just Spamming Amaterasu and susanoo. He hasn't really been involved in many Taijutsu fights since he prefers to use Ninjutsu/Kenjutsu.

Also i like how you exclude Gates but Do not exclude the sharingan, Both arn't Taijutsu based, Lee's Gates are to Lee what the sharingan is to sasuke, Nothing but a tool.
Even so, just by having the sharingan doesn't automatically give him the advantage, I could say Lee's superiority in Taijutsu could cancel out the advantage given by sasuke's sharingan.

People tend to Really overrate sasuke's taijutsu just because he has the sharingan.

 

[Reborn]

sasuke have fought more battle then lee, battles make him stronger in all three, taijutsu,ninjutsu and genjutsu.

the databook is too old to rely on,

sasuke is a genius , if you are trying to say lee is better in taijutsu, i disagree with you.

Battles don't always make you stronger, it's what you learn from them as well as what you focus on more when you use your abilities in action. When you focus on one aspect in a battle over others, the one aspect is going to prove greater of an increase than the other. Since we havn't seen Sasuke teir off against somebody using nothing but taijutsu, and while we've seen Lee use only taijutsu in his entire existance as a shinobi, your hole "battles make him stronger in all three" arugument isn't very valid to prove Sasuke's Taijutsu is superior to Lee's. It's actually dampening your argument.

While sasuke did it in farless time, It take alot of stamina for him to keep that Level of speed up, because it isn't natural to him unlike it is to Lee.

So if Part one sasuke (without curse) went up Against part one Lee, sasuke would tire out quicker than lee would.

Also while Lee Trains for 3years purely in Taijutsu, Sasuke has had to Train in Tai/Gen/Nin/Kenjutsu and mastering his sharingan.

Also the Databooks give Lee a 5 in Taijutsu, while sasuke only has a 3.5.

Sasuke hasn't seem to of done much training since he has left Oro or Gotten Ms/EMS.
I see no reason to up sasuke's Taijutsu to "5" from a current 3.5, and yes i'm aware that they're out of date. Still it's a big gap.

Yes, we've also seen Lee in that same pannle Frikid, posted saying that to use that amount of speed takes up a lot of stamina. We've seen Lee use the same exact level of speed against Gaara without Lee falling victim to exhaustion as easily as Sasuke did. Sasuke's speed after his training was said to be equal to lee's without his weights and Lee could handle movement at that pace without any problems. It wasn't really until he broke the barriers of the Gates that we saw him become exhausted.

Its shown clearly in manga, sasuke is a fast learner.
Sasuke, learned chidori + gained high speed + did same taijutus as lee, in time span of one month.
and Base sasuke did the same damage to gaara as base lee did.


Lee with gates would not be a fair taijutsu fight.
and if you think lee would need help of gates to win from sasuke, i already won the argument.





sasuke don't got much of training??
Well, the battles he gets involved are more than enough.

Couldn't you see his continuous progress in battles ?


Just because lee specialize in taijutsu doesn't mean he have to be the best at it.
If they both had a pure taijutsu fight ,Sasuke's sharingan gives him a big advantage.

What you neglected to knotice or acknowledge on my post was the overall better foundation Lee has with Taijutsu than Sasuke. Sasuke only advanced in one aspect and you can't honestly believe that Sasuke did just as much damage as Lee did with his taijutsu.

And don't speak all high and mighty as if you'd win if Lee was allowed to use gates. You neglected to comment on what I even said about the Gates and notice what I was talking about. However you allow Sasuke's Sharingan advantage to add to his taijutsu game yet Lee can't unlock the gates, which Sasuke has all measures of doing with the excpetion of the discipline to open the gates himself? Please try to bring up a better argument than that.

The Gates, purely the ability to unlock them is a merit of taijutsu mastery that eludes Sasuke because of his inferiorirty as a taijutsu fighter to people like Gai and Lee. Kakashi can unlock the gates, at least one of them. I haven't even gotten into Lee actually using the gates, I've only talked about how his training for years still exceeds Sasuke's insifnificant one month in only developing one aspect of his physical character. While you make the suggestion that the Sharingan gives him the advantage but Lee isn't allowed to use gates because you believe it's unfair while in acutality is not. So if Lee using Gates isn't allowed, when you say Sasuke's Sharingan gives him an advantaged in taijutsu then I guess "i already won the argument"

 

[jetstream019]

ok first lee second lee third sauske doesnt use taijustu he uses weapons sword that doesnt count fourth the only taijustu he used is to puch with the sussano and i dont think dat counts and five rocklee six rock lee seven rock lee eight rocklee and i forgot I LIKE ICECREAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[Frikid]

If you allow lee to use gate, then it isn't actually a pure taijutsu fight i had in my mind.

Gates give you too much power, and i don't get why you both are comparing physical strength with eyes.

3t sharingan gives you an advantage in a fight , and gates will give an unfair advantage in the fight.

It's not actually fair to compare lee in gates with sasuke with 3t.

Everyone including agree lee with gates > base sauske only with taijutsu.

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Lee without gates cannot win a taijutsu fight against sasuke with 3t, thanks to sharingan.

 

[Trollasaur]

Are you retarded? Lee all the way.

 

[Frikid]

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[Exaar]

If you allow lee to use gate, then it isn't actually a pure taijutsu fight i had in my mind.

Gates give you too much power, and i don't get why you both are comparing physical strength with eyes.

3t sharingan gives you an advantage in a fight , and gates will give an unfair advantage in the fight.

It's not actually fair to compare lee in gates with sasuke with 3t.

Everyone including agree lee with gates > base sauske only with taijutsu.

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Lee without gates cannot win a taijutsu fight against sasuke with 3t, thanks to sharingan.

Again with the "becuase he has the sharingan" crap.

Kakashi also had the sharingan and has a "4" in Taijutsu, While Gai has a "5", Does this also mean without Gates Kakashi > Gai just because he has the sharingan?.

 

[Frikid]

Again with the "becuase he has the sharingan" crap.

Kakashi also had the sharingan and has a "4" in Taijutsu, While Gai has a "5", Does this also mean without Gates Kakashi > Gai just because he has the sharingan?.

you do know, gai have to train himself really hard to fight against sharingan users ?

and we are talking about lee and sasuke, not about guy and kakashi.

sasuke > kakashi, (overall)
guy > lee, (overall)

so you can see the difference in comparison .

 

[leeko]

Sasuke. Rock lee is fodder, don't even compare him to Sasuke. Sasuke would destroy him with 3 tomoe and both hands tied behind hes back.

I'd -rep for this bullshit if i could.

you should be -rep for even considering sasuke is better ... 8 gates or no gates :flaw:

 

[Retsu]

If you allow lee to use gate, then it isn't actually a pure taijutsu fight i had in my mind.

Gates give you too much power, and i don't get why you both are comparing physical strength with eyes.

3t sharingan gives you an advantage in a fight , and gates will give an unfair advantage in the fight.

It's not actually fair to compare lee in gates with sasuke with 3t.

Everyone including agree lee with gates > base sauske only with taijutsu.

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Lee without gates cannot win a taijutsu fight against sasuke with 3t, thanks to sharingan.

So you take away the gates, which is purely a taijutsu users ability, and you allow Sasuke to have the sharingan, which is a KG, seriously, in a fair fight, Sasuke has no sharingan, which means he has no way of winning

 

[fastrthnwind]

If you allow lee to use gate, then it isn't actually a pure taijutsu fight i had in my mind.

Gates give you too much power, and i don't get why you both are comparing physical strength with eyes.

3t sharingan gives you an advantage in a fight , and gates will give an unfair advantage in the fight.

It's not actually fair to compare lee in gates with sasuke with 3t.

Everyone including agree lee with gates > base sauske only with taijutsu.

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Lee without gates cannot win a taijutsu fight against sasuke with 3t, thanks to sharingan.

An advantage is an advantage no matter how big or small.

Sasuke has an advantage over anyone without a kkg just because he has the sharingan. He was born with it and is a tool for him to use.

Lee doesn't have any advantage over anyone simply because he can only use taijutsu. He makes up for that by training harder than everyone else to have superior speed, power, and overall taijutsu skills. Because of that hard work, Lee can now open several gates, which are also tools that he can use at his disposal.

Unlike Sasuke, Lee earned his abilities through pure hard work while Sasuke was born with the sharingan. So saying that lee shouldn't have the gates is discrediting sasukes abilities because that only proves his taijutsu ability is lacking without it, while Lee still has incredible taijutsu ability without the use of his gates. As reborn said above, the ability to open the gates is a merit of taijutsu ability that is on a class above everyone else's. It's even more impressive when someone can do so at a young age.

Even though the databook is outdated, Lees taijutsu has been a 5 ever since the start of part 2 and Lee has still been training ever since. Sasuke on the other hand has to train in other areas and still uses Lees taijutsu whenever he is uses the sharingan to move quickly. It shows that he must rely on other peoples abilities to make up for his lack of ability with his sharingan.

 

[Exaar]

you do know, gai have to train himself really hard to fight against sharingan users ?

and we are talking about lee and sasuke, not about guy and kakashi.

sasuke > kakashi, (overall)
guy > lee, (overall)

so you can see the difference in comparison .

Doesn't matter if he Trains himself to fight against sharingan users, He cannot stop it Following/predicting his Movements.
He means he has trained to avoid the sharingan's Genjutsu by Training himself to fight by looking at the users feat.

Going by your comments you seem to be rather biased, You deem it ok to give sasuke a advantage via the sharingan, but Deem it an "unfair" advantage if Lee uses gates.

As i've shown, Lee's Taijutsu is superior to sasuke's.

The Thread title is who is Better, Not who would win.

Lee Getting a 5 in the databooks prove Lee is better /Thread.

 

[Prime Rib]

sausuke of the uchiha clan

 

[Frikid]

So you take away the gates, which is purely a taijutsu users ability, and you allow Sasuke to have the sharingan, which is a KG, seriously, in a fair fight, Sasuke has no sharingan, which means he has no way of winning

An advantage is an advantage no matter how big or small.

Sasuke has an advantage over anyone without a kkg just because he has the sharingan. He was born with it and is a tool for him to use.

Lee doesn't have any advantage over anyone simply because he can only use taijutsu. He makes up for that by training harder than everyone else to have superior speed, power, and overall taijutsu skills. Because of that hard work, Lee can now open several gates, which are also tools that he can use at his disposal.

Unlike Sasuke, Lee earned his abilities through pure hard work while Sasuke was born with the sharingan. So saying that lee shouldn't have the gates is discrediting sasukes abilities because that only proves his taijutsu ability is lacking without it, while Lee still has incredible taijutsu ability without the use of his gates. As reborn said above, the ability to open the gates is a merit of taijutsu ability that is on a class above everyone else's. It's even more impressive when someone can do so at a young age.

Even though the databook is outdated, Lees taijutsu has been a 5 ever since the start of part 2 and Lee has still been training ever since. Sasuke on the other hand has to train in other areas and still uses Lees taijutsu whenever he is uses the sharingan to move quickly. It shows that he must rely on other peoples abilities to make up for his lack of ability with his sharingan.

In a fair fight, nobody would get an unfair advantage.
Lee with gates is too much,
it is not a lee vs sasuke thread,


And why are you all bringing in lee gates again and again,
So this means, you think lee cannot win against 3t sasuke in taijutsu without gates , right ?

 

[Reborn]

If you allow lee to use gate, then it isn't actually a pure taijutsu fight i had in my mind.

Gates give you too much power, and i don't get why you both are comparing physical strength with eyes.

3t sharingan gives you an advantage in a fight , and gates will give an unfair advantage in the fight.

It's not actually fair to compare lee in gates with sasuke with 3t.

Everyone including agree lee with gates > base sauske only with taijutsu.

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Lee without gates cannot win a taijutsu fight against sasuke with 3t, thanks to sharingan.

So you're power limiting Lee because it's an unfair fight? That's the whole point, to show the superiority of Lee over Sasuke in taijutsu. But for the sake of argument, I still believe that Lee doesn't need to unlock the gates to defeat Sasuke in a taijutsu fight. Hell if you want you can give Sasuke EMS, in the fight, but he's not going to defeat Lee. Lee without the gates has skills as a taijutsu fighter>Sasuke's since Sasuke's training and developement of his taijutsu isn't on par with Lee's who's only method of fighting is taijutsu. Lee as a physical warrior>Sasuke's. Speed, power, stamina in a collaborative Lee has those advantages over Sasuke as well.

However what you say in your post just proves how weak the argument you have for Sasuke on truely any plane. Sharingan give an advantage, while Gates give an unfair advantage? What's this whole thing about being fair, the gates are simply chakra barriers that can be broken to give people power. Sasuke can do it...or at least he has no genetic/physical reason as to why he can't achieve it somehow if he trains.

We're comparing eyes to gates because the eyes give him perception that nobody else has. You want to talk about an unfair advantage, I'd like to see Sasuke match Lee without his Sharingan. Lets see how well Sasuke can cheat then. Honestly to see your opponents moves just as it comes to their mind, you don't see that as unfair? It doesn't even matter Sasuke with or without sharingan is not besting Rock Lee in his base let alone his gates.

Sasuke can predict his opponents movements. Lets say he does that and he can see Lee's attack and he's fast enough to avoid it. How long can he keep avoiding before he tires? Lee is just as fast as him so he can land a few blows, he can avoid Sasuke as well with his reflexes. Lets say Sasuke decides to not worry about avoiding and decideds to block. Lee is stronger than Sasuke so Sasuke's blocks will also prove to damage Sasuke as he'll still take damage.

Lee's attributes physically and skillfully outweigh Sasuke's.

So you take away the gates, which is purely a taijutsu users ability, and you allow Sasuke to have the sharingan, which is a KG, seriously, in a fair fight, Sasuke has no sharingan, which means he has no way of winning

Tis true, he can only see Sasuke winning with the Sharingan which he doesn't see as an unfair advantage even though it allows the clarity to see an opponents' movements before they do them.

 

[SasukesSixPack]

You're still fighting over this? I thought Sasuke already beat the crap outta Lee.

 

[Reborn]

In a fair fight, nobody would get an unfair advantage.
Lee with gates is too much,
it is not a lee vs sasuke thread,


And why are you all bringing in lee gates again and again,
So this means, you think lee cannot win against 3t sasuke in taijutsu without gates , right ?

Nobody would get an unfair advantage you say, well take away Sasuke's Sharingan, it's a cheat sheet telling you what you're opponents are going to do next. It's Dojutsu not taijutsu so it's not in this fight so stop advocating for Sasuke with Sharingan and let him fight without it.

Lee doesn't need gates, we bring up gates because you refute them as unfair while you still allow for the cheating eyes. I've also made points as to why Sasuke is stilll inferior even with his eyes against Lee without the gates. Take a gander.

You're still fighting over this? I thought Sasuke already beat the crap outta Lee.

You thought wrong, but it's alright