Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi

[iSpeak]

For the people that are saying that Sasuke's other MS technique is Enton or any Jutsu derived from it, that that isn't true. Itachi has been shown to use Enton aswell. So obviously it wouldn't count as an MS technique.

 

[xjimbox]

I'm starting to think some of this people can't muster up a valid argument.

I agree it's clear that they are NOT reading this is just a bunch of fan boys who are extremely upset that someone posted something like this. We give our argument to prove them wrong and they come up with the same statement assuming that we don't know the answer that we just solved.

 

[|Apathy|]

For the people that are saying that Sasuke's other MS technique is Enton or any Jutsu derived from it, that that isn't true. Itachi has been shown to use Enton aswell. So obviously it wouldn't count as an MS technique.

Utter nonsense. Where is your proof to support this claim? These type of claims are fruitless, and hold no weight to the argument at all.

I agree it's clear that they are NOT reading this is just a bunch of fan boys who are extremely upset that someone posted something like this. We give our argument to prove them wrong and they come up with the same statement assuming that we don't know the answer that we just solved.

I would call this is a win, but I'm waiting for someone who has actually read the posts regarding the argument, to make a rational thought-out post. If "said" person doesn't show, then that is virtually a win for the "pro Blaze Release" side.

 

[Leoj of the Teinken]

Ok first off, i would like to say this is my first thread. I'm more of a lurker than a poster, but i decided to go ahead and make a thread.
I've seen a lot of threads and posts saying Sasuke would beat certain people with Tsukuyomi. Well i'd like to try to show you my theory on why he doesn't have it. I would also like you to note, i'm not a Sasuke fanboy. In fact i hate him more than anyone on the series.

1. The way Sasuke obtained his Mangekyou was from itachi's blood...right?

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The blood only goes in his left eye, which is the amaterasu, which itachi purposely put there in case he ever saw Madara's sharingan. It was a defense mechanism that itachi had and gave to sasuke.

2. Let me show you something cool.

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Look at his eye tense up when he uses Enton. His other ability is to control the flames.

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As Shi states it right here

3. And if he had tsukuyomi, why didnt he use it here?

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By the way, Danzo never said he "has" it. Now idk if Danzo meant his genjutsu is nothing compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, or Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is nothing compared to Itachi's.

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Why did both of his eyes activate? Tsukuyomi is only 1 eye.

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I have one more thing to say. If he has amaterasu in his left, and the power to control it in his right, that would leave no room for Tsukuyomi... Soooooo yea... Post what you guys think.

In order to activate Susano'o you need Mangenkyo in both eyes. It doesn't say that you NEED tsukyomi in one, and amaterasu in the other. If what some of you is true, then shouldn't Kakashi have Amaterasu or tsukyomi in his Mangenkyo eye? You all are a bunch of idiots. And I agree with the creator of the thread 100 percent. Good work man +rep.

 

[|Apathy|]

In order to activate Susano'o you need Mangenkyo in both eyes. It doesn't say that you NEED tsukyomi in one, and amaterasu in the other. If what some of you is true, then shouldn't Kakashi have Amaterasu or tsukyomi in his Mangenkyo eye? You all are a bunch of idiots. And I agree with the creator of the thread 100 percent. Good work man +rep.

It seems as if you are supporting the Blaze Release argument, no?

 

[Leoj of the Teinken]

It seems as if you are supporting the Blaze Release argument, no?

If manipulating amaterasu counts as blaze release, then yes. Haha

 

[|Apathy|]

If manipulating amaterasu counts as blaze release, then yes. Haha

Yes sir it does, and it seems pretty evident that the argument that supports Blaze Release stance is much stronger then the Tsukuyomi stance. U_U

 

[xjimbox]

Utter nonsense. Where is your proof to support this claim? These type of claims are fruitless, and hold no weight to the argument at all.




I would call this is a win, but I'm waiting for someone who has actually read the posts regarding the argument, to make a rational thought-out post. If "said" person doesn't show, then that is virtually a win for the "pro Blaze Release" side.

Exactly im also waiting for this

 

[|Apathy|]

ok for the retards in this thread sasukes own MS ability is enton the manipulation of the black froms but sasuke has EMS as in he transpanted itachis eyes with his own so he now has his brothers techniques and his own techniques sasukes regular genjutsu is more powerful until he masters tsukiyomi /thread O and tobi STATED itachi gave sasuke all his eye techniques which includes tsukiyomi so i have evidence from the manga you just keep saying sasuke doesnt have tsukiyomi which is clearly false from the proof provided by others and this post good day

We have clearly been talking about Sasuke before the eye transplant, and I am sure all of the people would agree with me when I say that Sasuke after the eye transplant gained the ability to use Itachi's ocular powers.

 

[jd9393]

Since Itachi had it, and Sasuke took his eyes shouldn't Sasuke have it too?

 

[iSpeak]

Utter nonsense. Where is your proof to support this claim? These type of claims are fruitless, and hold no weight to the argument at all.

All of my claims hold weight because I actually do my research before I make a statement. So don't go saying it is nonsense... especially before you have even asked for evidence.
Anyway, Itachi was shown putting out the Amaterasu flames to protect Sasuke here:

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And it is confirmed that you use Blaze Release to put out Amaterasu here (since he used his right eye, which has Blaze Release in it, to put it out):

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On top of this, it has been stated many times that MS unlocks techniques (Jutsu's). Enton isn't a jutsu, it is a Nature type. So that alone should tell you that isn't his other MS technique.

 

[Leoj of the Teinken]

We have clearly been talking about Sasuke before the eye transplant, and I am sure all of the people would agree with me when I say that Sasuke after the eye transplant gained the ability to use Itachi's ocular powers.

^I second this statement.

 

[UchiHaHaHa]

Didn't bother reading other replies but he does have it, he manipulated time and altered Danzo's Izanagi. He doesn't have to scream out "Tsukuyomi!!!!" to prove he has it, it's common sense. Tsukuyomi is renowned for it's power to alter time and in that case Sasuke used it.

 

[xjimbox]

Didn't bother reading other replies but he does have it, he manipulated time and altered Danzo's Izanagi. He doesn't have to scream out "Tsukuyomi!!!!" to prove he has it, it's common sense. Tsukuyomi is renowned for it's power to alter time and in that case Sasuke used it.

If you didn't even bother reading the comments then you shouldn't have even bother posting.. We have already talked about this ^ so return with a real argument

 

[|Apathy|]

All of my claims hold weight because I actually do my research before I make a statement. So don't go saying it is nonsense... especially before you have even asked for evidence.
Anyway, Itachi was shown here putting out the Amaterasu flames:

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And it is confirmed that you use Blaze Release to put out Amaterasu to protect Sasuke here (since he used his right eye, which has Blaze Release in it, to put it out):

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On top of this, it has been stated many times that MS unlocks techniques (Jutsu's). Enton isn't a jutsu, it is a Nature type, not a Jutsu. So that alone should tell you that isn't his other MS technique.

You have a misunderstanding of Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi or rather Enton entirely.

We all know Amaterasu is the ability to cast the inextinguishable black flames of the Mangekyo, and putting out the flames is a basic notion or trait of it. ( Left Eye )

Both Itachi and Sasuke can do this.

Enton: Is the advanced chakra nature of the Mangekyo. ( Left Eye)

It is an advance chakra nature of the Mangekyo; therefore both Sasuke and Itachi can use it

Kagutsuchi: Is the Mangekyo ability to apply Keitai Henka ( Shape Transformation) to his Enton ( Left Eye)

As before Sasuke is the only one shown to have done this in the manga; thus he is the only one capable at the moment who can use the technique.

 

[iSpeak]

You have a misunderstanding of Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi or rather Enton entirely.

We all know Amaterasu is the ability to cast the inextinguishable black flames of the Mangekyo, and putting out the flames is a basic notion or trait of it. ( Left Eye )

Both Itachi and Sasuke can do this.

Enton: Is the advanced charka nature of the Mangekyo. ( Left Eye)

Only Sasuke is shown to have done this; thus he is the only one capable at the moment who can use the technique.

Kagutsuchi: Is the Mangekyo ability to apply Keitai Henka ( Shape Transformation) to his Enton ( Left Eye)

As before Sasuke is the only one shown to have done this in the manga; thus he is the only one capable at the moment who can use the technique.

I have a misunderstanding of Amaterasu and Enton? Are you kidding me? I have literally given you manga evidence to show that putting out the flames are done via Blaze Release. You can see in the picture that Sasuke uses the eye which contains Blaze release (not the eye which contains Amaterasu) to put it out so it is evident. And you can clearly see Itachi is able to do it aswell. Amaterasu simply has the ability to cast inextinguishable black flames, you need manipulation (Enton) in order to put it out.

 

[xjimbox]

I have a misunderstanding of Amaterasu and Enton? Are you kidding me? I have literally given you manga evidence to show that putting out the flames are done via Blaze Release. You can see in the picture that Sasuke uses the eye which contains Blaze release (not the eye which contains Amaterasu) to put it out so it is evident. And you can clearly see Itachi is able to do it aswell. Amaterasu simply has the ability to cast inextinguishable black flames, you need manipulation (Enton) in order to put it out.

Amaterasu is the ability to make and end the black flames blaze relase just controls it

 

[iSpeak]

Amaterasu is the ability to make and end the black flames blaze relase just controls it

That has never ever been stated. You can clearly see from the scans I posted, that Blaze Release is needed in order to put out the flames.

 

[xjimbox]

That has never ever been stated. You can clearly see from the scans I posted, that Blaze Release is needed in order to put out the flames.

Yes I have but they stated nothing about our current topic

 

[|Apathy|]

Amaterasu is the ability to make and end the black flames blaze relase just controls it

An good analogy of this is Izanami and Izanagi.

The relationship between them is fated. Izanagi is Blaze Release it exists to control the black flames of Amaterasu and Izanami is Amaterasu it decides how the flames will react.