Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi
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You need to do more research because you are wrong. I don't even have a clue why you showed me the page because it didn't prove anything
Enton: Kagutsuchi is a specific type of flame manipulation (making spikes). Enton: Magatama and Shield of black flames are also specific types of flame manipulation. Itachi hasn't shown to have any of these specific Jutsu's.
But Enton itself (a nature type) covers the whole catagory of flame manipulation, and as I already showed you Itachi does have Enton (being able to put out the flames) which falls under manipulation and required Enton as you can clearly see from the Manga page. I have given you manga evidence whilst you have got nothing so there is really no point in arguing.
When did I mention anything about Wiki or the Databooks? Right, I didn't. So I don't know why you are even bringing those up.
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Arcaneos510X
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ok then your explanation please in full of how he came to posses the ms.
becuase thats the only way i can see it happening logicly.
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GracefulSerenity
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The Necromancer
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The databook says sasuke has it. And he did NOT GET MS FROM ITACHI! How is this still not common knowledge...??
uchicha naruto
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Well If this isn't over it should be after the first susanoo post. And you lost all credibility tome when you said sasuke got his mangekyo from itachi's blood, because that is such an ignorant statement. Mangekyo is achieved after you kill the one you love the most. After Tobi told him the whole story about itachi, sasuke realized he did just that, and then get mangekyo. I think that this retroactive emotion is what caused the change in coloration of sasukes ms compared to others. but yea, logic is so flawed on this one, but + rep for adequate research.
Go **** yourself. Itachi can make 3 days happen in 1 second. I missed a lot of the sasuke stuff when he teamed with akatsuki and i don't know all the details, but if his was stronger than itachi's, there would not be a fight between him and danzo. There would have been genjutsu followed by a kunai, or katana in sasuke's case, to the neck. Because in every situation where Itachi has truly tried to win, thats is exactly what he does. Both against deidara and pro this was done.
Well, I am going to plus rep you for this well thought out theory. You have backed up your claim with sufficient evidence, and now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense. How dull would it be for all Uchiha who achieve ms to have the same ability? Also, from what we have seen, almost all Uchiha who have unlocked ms have had different abilities, though we haven't seen many.
Lets look, Shishui unlocked a unique ability to him, Kotoamatsukami. I am going to assume he died before he was able to unlock his second ability and Sasunoo. No one but Sasuke and Itachi have been shown to use Amaterasu, this should be the first indicator. Sasuke used Amaterasu, but he is Itachi's brother, so it could mean that this ability was genetic, or that when Itachi put the fail safe against Tobi in him, he inevitably inherited the ability.
The debate here is weather Sasuke's Enton: Kagutsuchi is his second ms ability, and it also makes perfect sense that it is. Tsukiyomi is a technique that is supposed to manipulate time and space, that is what defines Tsukiyomi as a technique, Sasuke cannot do that with his genjutsu, therefore I come to the conclusion that he cannot use Tsukiyomi. He can do things with Amaterasu Itachi never dreamed he could do, and if you put two and two together, it was right after Sasuke discovered his ability to manipulate the flames that he unlocked Sasunoo.
This is just my two sense, I believe that you need two ms abilities to unlock Sasunoo, and it doesn't have to be Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu. So in conclusion, until proven otherwise, I do not believe Sasuke has Tsukiyomi.
One more thing, for people saying that his version is weak and are using the databook, it clearly says in the databook that the user must have complete master over both techniques to be able to unlock Sasunoo......if that is true, we already know that IF Sasuke has Tsukiyomi, then he definitely has not mastered it, so how does he have Sasunoo? Just a thought.
Lets look, Shishui unlocked a unique ability to him, Kotoamatsukami. I am going to assume he died before he was able to unlock his second ability and Sasunoo. No one but Sasuke and Itachi have been shown to use Amaterasu, this should be the first indicator. Sasuke used Amaterasu, but he is Itachi's brother, so it could mean that this ability was genetic, or that when Itachi put the fail safe against Tobi in him, he inevitably inherited the ability.
The debate here is weather Sasuke's Enton: Kagutsuchi is his second ms ability, and it also makes perfect sense that it is. Tsukiyomi is a technique that is supposed to manipulate time and space, that is what defines Tsukiyomi as a technique, Sasuke cannot do that with his genjutsu, therefore I come to the conclusion that he cannot use Tsukiyomi. He can do things with Amaterasu Itachi never dreamed he could do, and if you put two and two together, it was right after Sasuke discovered his ability to manipulate the flames that he unlocked Sasunoo.
This is just my two sense, I believe that you need two ms abilities to unlock Sasunoo, and it doesn't have to be Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu. So in conclusion, until proven otherwise, I do not believe Sasuke has Tsukiyomi.
One more thing, for people saying that his version is weak and are using the databook, it clearly says in the databook that the user must have complete master over both techniques to be able to unlock Sasunoo......if that is true, we already know that IF Sasuke has Tsukiyomi, then he definitely has not mastered it, so how does he have Sasunoo? Just a thought.
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Ressurected Crow
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He's "supposed" to have it. But; when he "used it" against Danzo, Danzo merely shrugged his Genjutsu talent as Genin Rate, compared to the Genjutsu Itachi could use with his Tsukuyomi. Perhaps, Sasuke should try using the jutsu more, considering he's not even in a leauge with Itachi while using it.
