What do YOU think Prime Hiruzen's limits are?

[MNU]

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Danzo tells tobirama that he can not sacrifice because he is the hokage and there is no one greater than him in the village, not sure exactly when was Hiruzens prime but i hink it was around that time so IMO he was around tobiramas strenght

 

[Sephy100]

Just ask yourselves this question: Could prime Hiruzen control multiple bijuu like Madara and Hashirama?

 

[KisuneUchiha]

High-Level kage.. Thats about it, IMO...

To the whole Hiruzen>Hashirama matter...

The only person who knows Hashirama's true power to it's fullest extent was Uchiha Madara and even after acquiring the Rinnegan, a portion of Hashirama's DNA, unlimited Chakra and an Undying body; Uchiha Madara still states that Hashirama was the only one who could stop him...

Uchiha Madara didn't even mention Hiruzen or even wonder how is it that he died and appointed Tsunade as the next Hokage...

First of all, how the **** would Madara even know about Hiruzen, huh, Hiruzen was a genin at the time of Second Hokage, Madara was dead b4 Hiruzen was at his prime or before he became hokage so you just STFU.

 

[icedonkey]

I voted high kage level
and I understand someone saying hashirama
It is a little far to say edo madara but whatever
but who the hell put sage of six paths?! what the hell.

 

[minatofan234]

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Just ask yourselves this question: Could prime Hiruzen control multiple bijuu like Madara and Hashirama?

no because he is not from the senju clan duhh and hashirama had a special necklace that helped him control them so.. double duhh

 

[KamuiShiryu]

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Here he is stating how he needs orochimaru chakara to strengthen the Bind power not the power of the people....... sincee the people are revived with the power they had b4 they died so please dont put that hishi and tob weren't at full strength.

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Kabuto here is stating that orochimaru had already perfected the edo

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Elder chiyo here says it's been further developed since tobirama and is impressed by how strong the user must be in order to control that many souls once again i haven't seen where it says the power of the people has also gone up

part 1 power lvl is dif from part 2 if the fight were to happen in part two then the 3rd would also get a power up and the fight would end the same way..... what don't people understand about that?

i've posted facts about edo using manga........
other people have posted facts using the manga were the 3rd himself said he was the strongest hokage "so why do u guys want to take what madara said and not the 3rd's words? "the 3rd who's seen 1st and 2nd power were madara has only seen the 1st and prob the 2nd hokage"

ohhh and enma was able to break mokuton with ease where mokuton wasn't able to break enma's cage......

 

[Troyg39]

I think he was only considered the strongest Hokage because he knew more jutsu than they did. People forget that in part one, the concept of jutsu mastered=strength was heavily stressed, thus the reason Oro (his student btw) was so hell bent on learning every jutsu in the world (he considered that being strong) and why Kakashi was so hyped in part one for being the copy cat ninja and knowing 1000+jutsu. He was called the "professoer" because he knew every jutsu in the leaf, so its only natural tha the would be called the strongest kage if knowing jutsu is what meant you were strong in part one.

I think he is a high level Kage, but only because he knew so many jutsu. I think if it came down to a fight, the only Kage he would probably beat easily is Tsunade. Minato's speed would be a problem for anybody, and I think Hashi and Tobirama both would beat him mid-dif. He was good though even in old age.

 

[6pathofpain]

Id say a lil under tobirama and minato's level. With the jutsu he has that we know of i dont see who he could beat tobirama cause cause tobirama can counter the 3rd fire style which i believe is his speacialty. THe 3rd can however counter his water style with his earth style.. But building walls and shit wont save him forever, and with that water guy shit that tobirama can do he can cut the wall down which has already been seen. And the 3rds only counter for bringer of darkness is killing himself with that seal.

And minato is just to fast, his taijutsu will probably beat the 3rd(minato has lightning fast reflexes or so ive heard) and the 3rds probably wont catch him.

I think he'll take tsuande,danzo, maybe gaara, gaara's dad, maybe muu, and maybe the 2nd mizukage.

I give him High kage level.

 

[The Necromancer]

Hiruzen>Hashi

My thoughts.

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Stronger than Oonoki even in his old age.

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The guy in this thread is kinda right.

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[eyesofthekyuubi44]

I would say either high Kage or a level that should be between that and Hashirama's level.

He did, to his credit and in old age, take on Orochimaru and two Kage. It looks as though they were toying with him with a not-yet-perfected (in my eyes) Edo Tensei, but yet and still he did a better job than most.

I'd say he can stalemate two Kage, maybe three. Meaning that all three are killed in the struggle. I don't know the limits of his prime, and I find that it's useless to act like you have some psychic power to know his prime, and to bring his prime up as an argument because it was just a few statements made by him being physically weaker, his chakra being less, and having less stamina. The depths of them are still unknown, so who really cares? He's not Hashirama who founded Konoha along with Madara. He may be slightly greater, slightly lower, or equal to Minato, seeing as Minato one-shots even powerful Shinobi like Tobi and Bee.

So I'd really put him ANYWHERE between Tobirama and Hashirama.

 

[Wakoo]

right behind hashi

 

[Styles]

First of all, how the **** would Madara even know about Hiruzen, huh, Hiruzen was a genin at the time of Second Hokage, Madara was dead b4 Hiruzen was at his prime or before he became hokage so you just STFU.

hm i dont know about thay because if when madara died when he met hiruzen in his prime then ow would he know nagato

 

[NahRooToe]

I dont think that Edo Hashi and Edo tobirama were even at 40% during their fight with the 3rd.. Yet still tanking 2 hokages and a sannin at an extremely old age is a feat that not too many ninjas in the world of naruto can do. I think Hiruzen is his prime was on hashi's level maybe right under.

 

[KamuiShiryu]

I dont think that Edo Hashi and Edo tobirama were even at 40% during their fight with the 3rd.. Yet still tanking 2 hokages and a sannin at an extremely old age is a feat that not too many ninjas in the world of naruto can do. I think Hiruzen is his prime was on hashi's level maybe right under.

look at my post above they were at full strength people need to quit assuming stuff its in the manga...... it was stated what else do u guys want?

 

[CrimsonH4ze]

You ******... first of all. Those images state "it was SAID" and lemme tell you why. Hashirama CLEARLY was on another level, SOT6P's level, as stated by Kabuto. Thing is, all his opponents couldn't stand up to him so he killed them and people thought it was his full power. So basically, people didn't see his true colours. That's why they think Hiruzen > Hashi. When he fought Madara he went all out, but no one saw it.

the manga > your crappy quote on quote "interpretations".

you mad brah?
stay mad.

 

[NahRooToe]

look at my post above they were at full strength people need to quit assuming stuff its in the manga...... it was stated what else do u guys want?

So according to your logic... Hiruzen > Madara.. Dude idgaf what u think u got from that page. Its impossible that Hashi was at full strength.

 

[KamuiShiryu]

So according to your logic... Hiruzen > Madara.. Dude idgaf what u think u got from that page. Its impossible that Hashi was at full strength.

i would say hiruzen > EMS madara ....... with out 9 tails...
and i'd like u to point out were it says they weren't at full strength......

and in naruto there are always bad match up take guy vs kisame guy desroyed kisame but i think kakashi would lose to kisame that doesn't mean guy is stronger then kakashi.... just bad match up....

madara stated himself that the only thign with the same amount of destruction power as his PS is a tailed beast... hence why hishi is the perfect match up for him cus he can control tailed beast but nice try :ice:

love how most hishi fans just say hishi wins with no facts..... and when they are faced with facts they say stuff like idgaf or gdfo

 

[Cursed Prince]

High Kage level, He's below Hashi, and Way below Edo Madara

 

[Sai Bomb]

That's not my only proof. I also have my ace card.

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Old Hiruzen>Itachi.

That's reasonable, and your mere excuses can't deny that! You can clearly see that it's Itachi bowing before his Lord, instead of reverse!

And since Old Hiruzen>Itachi then Prime Hiruzen>2 Hashiramas.

I've been reading all of your back and forth comments, and this is absolutely where we have got to draw the line... :flaw:

 

[6pathofpain]

the manga > your crappy quote on quote "interpretations".

you mad brah?
stay mad.

The manga said the 3rd was said to be the strongest kage, but the manga also said that the 1st was the strongest shinobi ever and compared him to the SO6P...which manga page are you going by cause the manga just contridicted itself...