Tobi destroys Madara anyday

[Mobius Uchiha]

Lol, I had a counter argument ready but the base screwed up. Anyway, S/T tech, that is all.

I had to quote captainEO, because saying just "S/T techs = Win" doesn't mean anything. He's right by saying (the bold parts are what I added myself):

- Madara has infinite chakra, has Rinnegan in both eyes. Has an indestructable body. Has EMS in both eyes. Has Perfect Susanoo. He is also perhaps the most knowledgeable character alive and was known as a legendary shinobi for a reason. Also, he has Mokuton.

- Madara said Hashirama is the only who could stop him for a reason. He didn't mention Tobi and he knew who he is, because he was apparently his partner for the Moon Eye plan = he knew his weakness. Konan almost killed Tobi because she discovered how to counter his S/T justu and I'm pretty sure Madara knows that too.

Now, found me an argument that counters these two, because I don't see any. Don't get me wrong, Tobi Sharingan/Rinnegan + Juubi > Edo Madara (not 100% sure btw), but Tobi with just Sharingan/Rinnegan is not going to beat Edo Madara anyday.

 

[SilverSlick]

This is what I wanted to post before the site broke:

I also want to add that the Juubi is pointless in a battle against Madara.
Just like the kyuubi was pointless against Hashirama.

If your opponent has a way to take the control of the bijuu away from you or immobilise it. It won't help you at all. It will work against you.

Tobi is clearly using his Sharingan/Rinnegan to control the Juubi. Madara too can use his Sharingan/Rinnegan to hypnotize the Juubi into his command, not to mention he also has Mokuton to try to restrain it.

We don't know if Madara has a stronger Rinnegan or Sharingan. Tobi was able to control Kurama with ease, no MS needed.

 

[Bogard]

Yikes you people are ridiculous.

You seriously think Madara Uchiha, the guy who figured out that Rinnegan is an evolution of the EMS. The leader of the Uchiha clan and one of the founders of Konoha. The guy who broke out of Edo Tensei, who freaking knows the jutsu.

Dudes, Madara even knows who Tobi is. He was clearly aware of who Kabuto was referring to.

Tobi's s/t wouldn't do sh*te, Madara probably knows what the technique is called and how it works. He might even be able to do it himself like Edo Tensei. I mean Madara is clearly older than Tobi.

Also, Tobi was scared of Itachi. Amaterasu nearly killed him.

Tobi's s/t technique isn't doing sh*te to Madara.

Man, Sharingan Tobi destroys Itachi. Sharingan Tobi>Madara. Rinnengan Tobi>>>>>>Madara. They can't touch him and he can warp you in an instant. None of their attacks can force Tobi to stay in ghost mode during 5minutes and he even has Izanagi also. And that's when i don't talk about the Juubi who could rape him

 

[SilverSlick]

I had to quote captainEO, because saying just "S/T techs = Win" doesn't mean anything. He's right by saying (the bold parts are what I added myself):

- Madara has infinite chakra, has Rinnegan in both eyes. Has an indestructable body. Has EMS in both eyes. Has Perfect Susanoo. He is also perhaps the most knowledgeable character alive and was known as a legendary shinobi for a reason. Also, he has Mokuton.

- Madara said Hashirama is the only who could stop him for a reason. He didn't mention Tobi and he knew who he is, because he was apparently his partner for the Moon Eye plan = he knew his weakness. Konan almost killed Tobi because she discovered how to counter his S/T justu and I'm pretty sure Madara knows that too.

Now, found me an argument that counters these two, because I don't see any. Don't get me wrong, Tobi Sharingan/Rinnegan + Juubi > Edo Madara (not 100% sure btw), but Tobi with just Sharingan/Rinnegan is not going to beat Edo Madara anyday.

The first bolded statement was bleak and holds no true value. We don't know if he knows the weakness to any s/t tech. You just can't assume that he does. I don't know if you understand the concepts of Tobi's S/T technique. For one, he is completely impervious to damage. Madara has neither the speed feats nor a S/T tech to counter Tobi's. All of Madara's attacks are useless. The second thing, what is there to stop Tobi from warping him to another dimension?

 

[Kira was Righteous]

The Ten tails belongs to Nagato

Tobi is a fraud with Nagatos Rinnegan lol

 

[SilverSlick]

The Ten tails belongs to Nagato

Tobi is a fraud with Nagatos Rinnegan lol

Who's to say Tobi didn't give it to him?

I believe Tobi was bullshitting anyways, lol.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Who's to say Tobi didn't give it to him?

Lol ill believe it when i see it

Gedo does belong to Nagato though thats why he used for 200 chapters sealing the beast and then when Tobi got Nagatos Rinnegan he amazingly started using it

Anyway on Topic Tobi with the 10 tails is pretty much unbeatable apart from the sage of 6 paths and Nagato as hes its master

 

[TobisPawn]

Lol ill believe it when i see it

Gedo does belong to Nagato though thats why he used for 200 chapters sealing the beast and then when Tobi got Nagatos Rinnegan he amazingly started using it

Anyway on Topic Tobi with the 10 tails is pretty much unbeatable apart from the sage of 6 paths and Nagato as hes its master

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Nagato > Tobi + Juubi?

 

[6 Paths of Pain]

1. Is that why he was screaming and writhing in pain? Anyway, point remains Madara can use Amaterasu to stun Tobi since he clearly has a difficult time evading it. Then use another attack to finish him off.

2. Dude, Tobi was freaking scared of Madara when he saw him in the coffin. He was sweating bullets.

3. You can't say that. Then why didn't Madara release himself from Edo Tensei as soon as he was summoned?

4. He was scared of Itachi. Which is why he stayed away from Konoha.

6. Madara has infinite chakra, has Rinnegan in both eyes. Has an indestructable body. Has EMS in both eyes. Has Perfect Susanoo. He is also perhaps the most knowledgeable character alive. He has Mokuton. He can use his Sharingan to control any bijuu, and he can also fry/kill any bijuu with Amaterasu like Sasuke did to Hachibi.

7. Madara said Hashirama is the only who can stop him for a reason. He didn't mention Tobi.

1.He didntt have a diff time evading he didnt see it coming
2.He wasn't scared dumb ass he was surprised that kabuto had him
3.It would be bad for the story
4.He wasn't scared he just knew if Itachi knew mor about him he could kill him and thats when he had sharingan not rinnegan
5.u didnt put anything
6.ok u r so wrong killer bee killed sasuke about 10 times in that fight u, do know that killer bee pretended to lose so he can get out of the village right?
7.Do u not know that he **** rides/respects hashi constantly?

 

[Mobius Uchiha]

The first bolded statement was bleak and holds no true value

No value? Maybe not so great, but it's another point on my side.

We don't know if he knows the weakness to any s/t tech. You just can't assume that he does.

How not? He knew the guy, he was his partner for the plan, he said only Hashirama could match him. 1+1=2 in my book...and that's what it seems to me. If he Tobi was a real threat, it would have also said his name, don't you think?

I don't know if you understand the concepts of Tobi's S/T technique. For one, he is completely impervious to damage. Madara has neither the speed feats nor a S/T tech to counter Tobi's. All of Madara's attacks are useless. The second thing, what is there to stop Tobi from warping him to another dimension?

We're both assuming here, we can't really tell 100% for sure, but I'm trusting Madara more. Just the fact he didn't even mention Tobi during that statement, it's enough for me to believe he could easily take down Tobi if he wanted. Again, to clear confusion, I do think Edo Madara < Tobi Sharingan/Rinnegan + Juubi, but not without it.

 

[Dark Artist]

Tobi > EDO madara

i mean madara got his ass kicked along with kyubi and along with his pathetic EMS by hashirama

so he is not the strongest

Tobi will own him and his fanboys anyday

 

[captainEO]

I would carry on arguing with you guys but it's late.

All I know is Tobi is Madara's subordinate. So much so that he had to resort to hiding his face and using his name.
He froze in fear at the sight of Madara still dormant.
The Rinnegan he uses belongs to Madara.
Tobi even said at the Kage meeting that he didn't have enough power to defeat the Kage hence sending Sasuke there. Whilst Madara completely overpowered them to the point of toying with them.

Madara > Tobi.

I'm out, see you later.

 

[SilverSlick]

No value? Maybe not so great, but it's another point on my side.


How not? He knew the guy, he was his partner for the plan, he said only Hashirama could match him. 1+1=2 in my book...and that's what it seems to me. If he Tobi was a real threat, it would have also said his name, don't you think?


We're both assuming here, we can't really tell 100% for sure, but I'm trusting Madara more. Just the fact he didn't even mention Tobi during that statement, it's enough for me to believe he could easily take down Tobi if he wanted. Again, to clear confusion, I do think Edo Madara < Tobi Sharingan/Rinnegan + Juubi, but not without it.

Ah, its your choice I guess but I'm sticking with Tobi.

 

[Bogard]

Lol ill believe it when i see it

Gedo does belong to Nagato though thats why he used for 200 chapters sealing the beast and then when Tobi got Nagatos Rinnegan he amazingly started using it

Anyway on Topic Tobi with the 10 tails is pretty much unbeatable apart from the sage of 6 paths and Nagato as hes its master

Nagato? Wtf, he will get killed. He can't even control the kyubi :flaw:

Nagato is not even born with Rinnengan. Tobi managed to sync him with Gedo Mazo cuz he wanted

 

[TobisPawn]

I would carry on arguing with you guys but it's late.

All I know is Tobi is Madara's subordinate. So much so that he had to resort to hiding his face and using his name.
He froze in fear at the sight of Madara still dormant.
The Rinnegan he uses belongs to Madara.
Tobi even said at the Kage meeting that he didn't have enough power to defeat the Kage hence sending Sasuke there. Whilst Madara completely overpowered them to the point of toying with them.

Madara > Tobi.

I'm out, see you later.

I'll reply to this later.

 

[SilverSlick]

I would carry on arguing with you guys but it's late.

All I know is Tobi is Madara's subordinate. So much so that he had to resort to hiding his face and using his name.
He froze in fear at the sight of Madara still dormant.
The Rinnegan he uses belongs to Madara.
Tobi even said at the Kage meeting that he didn't have enough power to defeat the Kage hence sending Sasuke there. Whilst Madara completely overpowered them to the point of toying with them.

Madara > Tobi.

I'm out, see you later.

Aight, but that's more assumptions on your part. There is nothing pointing towards Tobi being a subordinate. Maybe a partner but not a subordinate. Tobi has Rinnegan now. He has more than enough to take the 5 Kages. Seriously, he's taking on Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Guy, arguably a stronger squad than the Kages. Should I add Kurama and Gyuki?

 

[~MC117~]

What makes Tobi any smarter than Madara? Tobi got owned less than a minute by Minato.

Minato is a genius and he was able to figure out tobi's ability very fast, just because he lost to minato doesn't make him less smarter than madara. With your logic I could say that madara is dumb because he lost to hashirama even with the kyuubi under his control. Look tobi is one of the smartest characters in the manga, he has been planning his goal for years, and he has a lot of knowledge about the rinnegan, sharingan, SO6P etc. While madara is just cocky and arrogant.

 

[~MC117~]

Lol ill believe it when i see it

Gedo does belong to Nagato though thats why he used for 200 chapters sealing the beast and then when Tobi got Nagatos Rinnegan he amazingly started using it

Anyway on Topic Tobi with the 10 tails is pretty much unbeatable apart from the sage of 6 paths and Nagato as hes its master

You really love nagato don't you? or you're just a troll. Tobi would crush nagato like a little rabbit.

 

[Dantee]

Minato is a genius and he was able to figure out tobi's ability very fast, just because he lost to minato doesn't make him less smarter than madara. With your logic I could say that madara is dumb because he lost to hashirama even with the kyuubi under his control. Look tobi is one of the smartest characters in the manga, he has been planning his goal for years, and he has a lot of knowledge about the rinnegan, sharingan, SO6P etc. While madara is just cocky and arrogant.

Tobi was cocky against Minato that shows he can be arrogant to. What puts Tobi above Madara in a battle smarts?

Nothing. Madara probably outclasses Tobi in battle experience as well.

 

[~MC117~]

Tobi was cocky against Minato that shows he can be arrogant to. What puts Tobi above Madara in a battle smarts?

Nothing. Madara probably outclasses Tobi in battle experience as well.

Just the things that tobi has done so far show that he is smarter than madara in every way and there is also no proof to show that madara is smarter but from what I've seen tobi is definitely smarter.