Stating the Obvious - Tobirama is the Weakest Hokage!

[Cascade]

Just because we don't know anything about him doesn't mean he's weak.

doesnt make him strong either...

 

[SilverSlick]

yeah agreed - i made a mistake saying the kage comment, i admitted that earlier on in comments (like in first 50) but no1 reads those so im probs gonna change it lol

You've probably realized that I'm a Tobirama fanboy.

 

[Imperius]

you will be surprised on how strong he will be

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

Sorry if this is sorta poorly strung together - im a little drunk while making this thread...

Note: THIS is NOT a Hashi Vs. Hiruzen Thread - PLEASE take hate/flame ELSEWHERE

I will go in order of Hokage to signifiy each Kage's power and significance in order to prove that Tobirama is the weakest Hokage ever!

Hashirama:
Praised by madara s being legendary - Tobirama is detailed to be damaging to the landscape of the world - he has total control over different tailed beasts through his wood release technique - and further sealing techniques.
He is also known to have healing abilities as Madara mentions that Tsunade's Yin release technique is very similair to that of Hashirama's healing abilities...
The wood release is a unique abilitiy that makes Hashirama> Tobirama...

Hiruzen:
Praised as the god of shinobi - Hiruzen's knowledge of ninjutsu and abilities are surpassed by few (not a hashi vs hiruzen thread!!) - he was able to take on Oro + 1st + 2nd all at the same time - and if they had not of been Edo - he would have taken them out through...even something as small as a paper bomb.
How an old man - not in his prime - managed to take out two former Hokage's + oro is totally beyond my understanding but somehow he managed it - albiet by the exchange for his life through RDS (and his trump card)...
IF hiruzen had been at prime - he would have had a much easier time - being able to combat edo with his shadow clones - the observing anbu, hiruzens summon, and even hiruzen admit to this.
This is true demonstration of his power and deserves note!

Minato:
Minato is ultimately a baw5
He creates the Rasengan, FTG, and much MUCH more - (RDS) - he also takes down the 9 tails and manages to save the village through that. He takes on Tobi headon - and seems to do it pretty easily with his Time space (even after admitting the other was more advanced) - and uses his FTG to the full effect...
Rasengan - a technique used further by his son - is further developed into an awesome technique - the Rasenshuriken - an ability which would definitly not have been created if not for minato.
Since the rasengan was based on the TBB naruto would have also not learned how to harness the ability of the TBB with Kurama - and access the ability of both negative and positive forms of chakra for the TBB

A true demonstration of the scale of Minato's power lies in his foresight - and understanding/creation of the FTG...
Someone with his abilities manages to send a TBB to a safer place - not destroying the village...

Furthermore - Minato has the foresight to implant a small amount of kushina and his own essence into the RDS seal in order to aid Naruto in the future...
im pretty sure i didnt need to say all of that about minato because so many people are in love with him - but it was definitly worth it <3

Tsunade:
Tsunade is the person who implemente mediacl ninja into regular teams - she is the reason that so many ninja are still alive to fight another day!
She inherited the abilities of Yin Release techniques from her grandfather - and therefore became and extremely powerful opponent against Edo-madara - even breaking his Susano'o - an almost impossible feat...
She is truley a perfect choice for Kage - maybe not handling the paper work so well - but definitly being able to support her village where it really counted...even in comparison to the kage of other village such as mei or Garaa who lost faith in their abilities early on.
Tsunade's summons and therefore mass healing also compliments her abilities and enables her to be reinforced as a truley strong opponent - and DEFINITLY stronger than that of Tobirama...
Did i mention she was trained by the 3rd Hokage making her a SANNIN - and ONE of the STRONGEST ninja of ALL TIME!?
Tobirama hasnt had to deal with half the crap that Tsunade has in her time as Kage - INCLUDING the war! :sy:


To my knowledge - all Tobirama did was aid = not even major role = Hashi with creation of leaf...Create the Edo - which is causing endless problems this far into the series - and (as powerscaling is lessened in Part 1) - create water from nothing - which is a little feat for some ninja...

smh...cascade is tryna turn the base into a crusade

 

[Cascade]

Hey.. Don't hate on Danzo based off his fight with Sasuke+Karin+Tobi.

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why post your thread here, its irrelevant

 

[Solaris Vexius]

Hiruzen
Hashirama
Tobirama
Minato
Tsunade
Danzo

Get mad

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Hashirama
Minato>/=Hiruzen
Tobirama
Tsunade

Get mad

HEH!

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[Tripwire]

space time user yes (but which timespace and how advanced what it?) --- but technically could be combatted by every other kage - not a master of edo - unlike oro and kabuto - we never even SAW tobi use Edo, he created it - didnt master it...

Also can u please reference the manga page where Tobi uses ONE sign to use a tech that requires 18 for others -- and please make sure its the EXACT same tech.

Lmao are you retarded? You really think the creator of Edo is not its master? Thats like saying the creator of any martial art isnt a master at it. Dawg you just went full retard on me.

Btw. too little is known to compare tobirama to any other hokage, so don't waste your time. ktb.

ALSO BY UR LOGIC:

Madara would be the greatest edo tensei user since he was able to keep himself alive even after Kabuto shut it off. Tobirama and Madara are from the same time period, you really think that of Madara knows that much about edo its creator wouldn't?

 

[ChrisWolf]

Their is no way in hell tsunade is better then tobirama

 

[El Batman]

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I'm really trying to respect your opinion but this is just ridiculous...i strongly disagree.

 

[Cascade]

Lmao are you retarded? You really think the creator of Edo is not its master? Thats like saying the creator of any martial art isnt a master at it. Dawg you just went full retard on me.

Btw. too little is known to compare tobirama to any other hokage, so don't waste your time. ktb.

ALSO BY UR LOGIC:

Madara would be the greatest edo tensei user since he was able to keep himself alive even after Kabuto shut it off. Tobirama and Madara are from the same time period, you really think that of Madara knows that much about edo its creator wouldn't?

nice one...but your wrong

'Tobirama was the creator of the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation technique; however, some time after its creation he labelled it as a kinjutsu and never mastered it himself, though he did use it enough for it to be recognised by other Kage'

he never mastered it...he did use it enough to be recognised...

 

[Solaris Vexius]

HEH!

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So u edit my post then say ur not mad? My goodness ur stupid

 

[Gatsuuga]

Read the bottom left panel very carefully

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Now if you did it correctly you will realise that Hashi = Tobirama. They were both the best. This is further illustrated by the fact MS Izuna = MS Madara according to the manga. So when Hashi would fight Madara, Tobirama would clearly take on Izuna or vise versa.

Also Tobirama never said he didn't complete Edo tensei, that was Kabuto. Kabuto said the jutsu was perfected by Orochimaru then advanced by himself. We all know Kabuto's character why wouldn't he wank Orochimaru's cred. Tobirama could clearly use Edo Tensei since all the former kage recognised the jutsu when they were resurrected.

 

[Cascade]

Read the bottom left panel very carefully

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Now if you did it correctly you will realise that Hashi = Tobirama. They were both the best. This is further illustrated by the fact MS Izuna = MS Madara according to the manga. So when Hashi would fight Madara, Tobirama would clearly take on Izuna or vise versa.

Also Tobirama never said he didn't complete Edo tensei, that was Kabuto. Kabuto said the jutsu was perfected by Orochimaru then advanced by himself. We all know Kabuto's character why wouldn't he wank Orochimaru's cred. Tobirama could clearly use Edo Tensei since all the former kage recognised the jutsu when they were resurrected.

Im not sure when exactly they ever fought, im sure you could make the assumption but you cant prove it...also its been stated many times he never perfected it - check tobirama on narutopedia - ive quoted it in the thread above ^

 

[Tripwire]

nice one...but your wrong

'Tobirama was the creator of the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation technique; however, some time after its creation he labelled it as a kinjutsu and never mastered it himself, though he did use it enough for it to be recognised by other Kage'

he never mastered it...he did use it enough to be recognised...

No where does it say that he didn't master it. All it says is that Oro perfected it. In other words Oro only continued what Tobi had already done since he was dead. Like I said how do you explain Madara knowing so much about edo tensei if he wasnt around while Oro was alive. Tobi(rama) and Madara where from the same time period thus it can be said Tobirama had already mastered it which is how Madara knew how to control his own body even after Kabuto had ended the edo tensei. Plus if you consider that Kabuto had mastered edo to a higher level than Oro and still didn't know that Madara did was possible than it can be said that they weren't truely masters of edo tensei atleast not like Tobirama was.

 

[Uchiha seeker]

Water Style: Tsunami.....

 

[Cascade]

No where does it say that he didn't master it. All it says is that Oro perfected it. In other words Oro only continued what Tobi had already done since he was dead. Like I said how do you explain Madara knowing so much about edo tensei if he wasnt around while Oro was alive. Tobi(rama) and Madara where from the same time period thus it can be said Tobirama had already mastered it which is how Madara knew how to control his own body even after Kabuto had ended the edo tensei. Plus if you consider that Kabuto had mastered edo to a higher level than Oro and still didn't know that Madara did was possible than it can be said that they weren't truely masters of edo tensei atleast not like Tobirama was.

...i gave u a quote straight from narutopedia...and ur still denying that he never mastered it

 

[Tripwire]

...i gave u a quote straight from narutopedia...and ur still denying that he never mastered it

Perfect and master are two completely different words kiddo. He never perfected it because he died like everyone does. That doesn't stop him from being a MASTER of what he created. Plus you keep evading my question. Stop throwing your beliefs at me and answer my question.

 

[Cascade]

Perfect and master are two completely different words kiddo. He never perfected it because he died like everyone does. That doesn't stop him from being a MASTER of what he created. Plus you keep evading my question. Stop throwing your beliefs at me and answer my question.

oh! i see what you mean now - i was using 'mastered' as 'perfected' rather than seperating them...but even if the jutsu is mastered - if its not perfected then its not as powerful as it could have been...its like if he made the jutsu to resurrect souls: hypethetically at some stage he would have just had the soul - and realised that he needed the body - at that stage the jutsu is - imperfect - but we dont know enough about him to say something as specific as that - and so him having an 'imperfect' jutsu makes it weaker than what we have seen within the manga

 

[Tripwire]

oh! i see what you mean now - i was using 'mastered' as 'perfected' rather than seperating them...but even if the jutsu is mastered - if its not perfected then its not as powerful as it could have been...its like if he made the jutsu to resurrect souls: hypethetically at some stage he would have just had the soul - and realised that he needed the body - at that stage the jutsu is - imperfect - but we dont know enough about him to say something as specific as that - and so him having an 'imperfect' jutsu makes it weaker than what we have seen within the manga

I agree with you that we dont know enough about him, but like I said before we can infer that he knew much more about edo tensei than people think, because if not then how did Madara just pull this stunt out of no-where he did something that was thought impossible and had never been seen before. So you can infer that he learnt this from Tobirama. Maybe tobi used it in a fight or something you can't be sure, but then again there aren't many things can be said for sure in the manga. That is why ranking the Hokages from strongest to weakest is nothing more than an opinion. What I can tell you though is that he isn't the weakest if anything he is top 3-4.