Stating the Obvious - Tobirama is the Weakest Hokage!

[KingHashirama]

LOL i know im not doubting her patriotism

But nah Hiruzen and Minato did far more in my opinion, especially Minato at such a young age he gave up the life he always wanted and had just received

But this is discussing how strong she is i dont doubt her strength but Tobirama is stronger

just because Minato did 1 big thing doesn't mean he did more ;p.

but sure tobirama is stronger , doesn't mean tsunade can't beat him one way or another ;p. (i got tired of defending tsunade now )

 

[Negative Knight]

Yes the great Tobirama comes out victorious, but you argued well even tho it was like Hashirama vs Minato

 

[Hokage Sharingan Kakashi]

Sorry if this is sorta poorly strung together - im a little drunk while making this thread...

Note: THIS is NOT a Hashi Vs. Hiruzen Thread - PLEASE take hate/flame ELSEWHERE

I will go in order of Hokage to signifiy each Kage's power and significance in order to prove that Tobirama is the weakest Hokage ever!

Hashirama:
Praised by madara s being legendary - Tobirama is detailed to be damaging to the landscape of the world - he has total control over different tailed beasts through his wood release technique - and further sealing techniques.
He is also known to have healing abilities as Madara mentions that Tsunade's Yin release technique is very similair to that of Hashirama's healing abilities...
The wood release is a unique abilitiy that makes Hashirama> Tobirama...

Hiruzen:
Praised as the god of shinobi - Hiruzen's knowledge of ninjutsu and abilities are surpassed by few (not a hashi vs hiruzen thread!!) - he was able to take on Oro + 1st + 2nd all at the same time - and if they had not of been Edo - he would have taken them out through...even something as small as a paper bomb.
How an old man - not in his prime - managed to take out two former Hokage's + oro is totally beyond my understanding but somehow he managed it - albiet by the exchange for his life through RDS (and his trump card)...
IF hiruzen had been at prime - he would have had a much easier time - being able to combat edo with his shadow clones - the observing anbu, hiruzens summon, and even hiruzen admit to this.
This is true demonstration of his power and deserves note!

Minato:
Minato is ultimately a baw5
He creates the Rasengan, FTG, and much MUCH more - (RDS) - he also takes down the 9 tails and manages to save the village through that. He takes on Tobi headon - and seems to do it pretty easily with his Time space (even after admitting the other was more advanced) - and uses his FTG to the full effect...
Rasengan - a technique used further by his son - is further developed into an awesome technique - the Rasenshuriken - an ability which would definitly not have been created if not for minato.
Since the rasengan was based on the TBB naruto would have also not learned how to harness the ability of the TBB with Kurama - and access the ability of both negative and positive forms of chakra for the TBB

A true demonstration of the scale of Minato's power lies in his foresight - and understanding/creation of the FTG...
Someone with his abilities manages to send a TBB to a safer place - not destroying the village...

Furthermore - Minato has the foresight to implant a small amount of kushina and his own essence into the RDS seal in order to aid Naruto in the future...
im pretty sure i didnt need to say all of that about minato because so many people are in love with him - but it was definitly worth it <3

Tsunade:
Tsunade is the person who implemente mediacl ninja into regular teams - she is the reason that so many ninja are still alive to fight another day!
She inherited the abilities of Yin Release techniques from her grandfather - and therefore became and extremely powerful opponent against Edo-madara - even breaking his Susano'o - an almost impossible feat...
She is truley a perfect choice for Kage - maybe not handling the paper work so well - but definitly being able to support her village where it really counted...even in comparison to the kage of other village such as mei or Garaa who lost faith in their abilities early on.
Tsunade's summons and therefore mass healing also compliments her abilities and enables her to be reinforced as a truley strong opponent - and DEFINITLY stronger than that of Tobirama...
Did i mention she was trained by the 3rd Hokage making her a SANNIN - and ONE of the STRONGEST ninja of ALL TIME!?
Tobirama hasnt had to deal with half the crap that Tsunade has in her time as Kage - INCLUDING the war! :sy:


To my knowledge - all Tobirama did was aid = not even major role = Hashi with creation of leaf...Create the Edo - which is causing endless problems this far into the series - and (as powerscaling is lessened in Part 1) - create water from nothing - which is a little feat for some ninja...
Ultimately Tobirama has done little to be deserving of the role 'kage' in comparison to every other person in that role...He was an inventor - but not anything as special as every other Kage...Making him the weakest Kage overall...

Didn't care for the rest of this shit but when THE **** DID GAARA EVER LOSE FAITH IN HIS ABILITIES? Mei? Yea, that's stated. But Gaara? **** no. :flaw:

 

[minatoisagod]

sorry i'll forever see tsunade as the weakest hokage and its not because she is a woman the other kages have so much versatility with jutsu. She hardly uses much ninjutsu no genjutsu (even though she more than likely knows some). i just don't see tobirama being the weakest.

 

[Saiyan Kammy]

Tsunade is the weakest Hokage. Tobirama is Hashiramas brother for a reason he is very powerful and you are underating him extremely bad to the point of laughter.

 

[~MC117~]

I disagree

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

Are yu crazy his potential is the greatest of all kages he is able to use high rank water techs with one hand seal he can move at high speeds with s/t ninjustu if kishi gives a little more info tobi could be the strongest

 

[Arcaneos510X]

tobi mara was beast he poosed all chakra natures but was originaly water generaly people with water are smarter than others an he had s/t ninjutsu And create ressurection of the impure world teq he was in my mind THE greatest hokage tsunade is a support type but not tobimara.

 

[IllusionRamen]

uhm.. I believe he is stronger than tsunade & hiruzen lol
I'm one of those people that do not believe hiruzen's hype ( prime or not )
just my opinion, because an expert in S/T and able to perform high level nin, tai, genjutsu.
sounds like a good well-rounded ninja to me.

no need to flame me, because I acknowledge Hiuzen & tsunade's strength but just that personally I believe tobirama is above those 2 by a large margin.

 

[Frikid]

yeah probs, im pretty convinced that i under-rated him - if not even just a little bit - but some idiots will come in and not read OP/not read comments and give the thread new life lol!

well OP said it, he was stupid enough make a thread without enough research.

I think the thread ended right when blaze release made his post

Don't feed the troll.

i think this thread should have been closed by now , coz even OP agrees his mistake :shrug:

 

[Joon]

I disagree.

 

[blackstar9]

He might be the weakest hokage.But since we have not seem him in action its hard to say. I doubt he was weak. He probably fought many uchiha ,and lived to tell the tale!!!.Since the two clans were enemies before forming the leaf.

 

[KingHashirama]

Strongest would be. Hashirama.. After him others are just random choices ^.^ can go either way.. 3 hokages are capable of S/T jutsu Tsunade, Minato, Tobirama. 3 hokages are summoners, Sarutobi, Tsunade, Minato. ALL 5 hokages are smart as hell.

only one has a KKG.

 

[Prime Rib]

lmfao the 2nd hokage was a powerful ninja

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Omni Slash and King Hashirama stop this is gonna become a flame war

ur both entitled to your opinions

So im just gonna extinguish this flame war right here

BRO!!! YOU DIDNT PUT OUT THE FLAMES WELL ENOUGH LOL!!!!!

You really suck at having arguements don't you??? and you were the one who got "Darui beating Kinkaku and Ginkaku" is a amazing feat.. Goodness sake.. and check what nitpicking is.

actually broham...my OP was ..."It was not a feat to be ignored"...i just checked...i never said it was "AMAZING"...you took that out of context...
another thing...you went on and on to say wether or not "i" said (darui surviving the g&s bros is an amazing feat with help...) WOW......good arguing broham!!!...seeing how i never stated this as an amazing feat....so what were you arguing for then...???

and seeing as how there really is no point continuing these useless quotations/flamming....You sir are annoying, for taking this misinformation out of hand...

 

[AWOL ADDZ]

i disagree because he was hailed as one of the most powerful shinobi in his era and he could just touch the ground with his finger and detect the presence of enemies and how much is there . so i dont think he is the weakest

 

[SilverSlick]

I respect everyone's opinion and even yours, but I have to say, this is the dumbest ****ing post I think I have ever read. No offence. You got a lot of shit wrong concerning Tobirama.

Hashirama, Tobirama=Minato, Hiruzen and then Tsunade. Now you did detail your opinion well so +rep for me. But you have to get some shit right.

Hashirama and Tobirama were hailed as the two greatest shinobi of their time. It says this in the manga somewhere. Since the general consensus is that Hashirama is the greatest Kage of all time, I'll place Tobirama behind him. What ticked me off was that you said in your last paragraph that Tobirama did little for him to be a Kage. I don't know if that was the exact phrase but its similar.

Lets get this straight right here, Tobirama did more as a Kage than Hashirama and Minato had ever done and that's fact. For one, Hashirama and Minato were not even Hokages for that long because they both died. Tobirama established the Anbu Black ops, Konoha Military Police Force, the Chunin exams and the academy. So please, don't bring up arguments such as these.

Lets get to Tobirama's skills. As shown, his taijutsu skills were at least equal to Hashirama's. If you say otherwise, you're being biased. He had sensory skills equal to Minato's. This was shown also. He created Edo Tensei. Now this is one of my other problems with your thread. You simply ignored the fact that Tobirama created Edo Tensei and just shrugged if off by saying it was causing a lot of problems. So ****ing what, this shows that he was highly intelligent and highly efficient in summoning and possibly sealing. Its obvious he had similar chakra levels to Hashirama also. You also ignored the fact that he was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, water release user of all time. Even equal to Kisame. Tobirama had a s/t tech equal to Minato's. Minato hinted towards it himself. If you're familiar with s/t teleportation, you should know its one of the top techniques out there, yet his was unspecified. You should know that he could **** anyone up with that technique. He was also able to master the sword of the thunder god. Just wanted to put that out there.

 

[rakwan uzamaki]

hold up tobimara have more snju

 

[Cascade]

I respect everyone's opinion and even yours, but I have to say, this is the dumbest ****ing post I think I have ever read. No offence. You got a lot of shit wrong concerning Tobirama.

Hashirama, Tobirama=Minato, Hiruzen and then Tsunade. Now you did detail your opinion well so +rep for me. But you have to get some shit right.

Hashirama and Tobirama were hailed as the two greatest shinobi of their time. It says this in the manga somewhere. Since the general consensus is that Hashirama is the greatest Kage of all time, I'll place Tobirama behind him. What ticked me off was that you said in your last paragraph that Tobirama did little for him to be a Kage. I don't know if that was the exact phrase but its similar.

Lets get this straight right here, Tobirama did more as a Kage than Hashirama and Minato had ever done and that's fact. For one, Hashirama and Minato were not even Hokages for that long because they both died. Tobirama established the Anbu Black ops, Konoha Military Police Force, the Chunin exams and the academy. So please, don't bring up arguments such as these.

Lets get to Tobirama's skills. As shown, his taijutsu skills were at least equal to Hashirama's. If you say otherwise, you're being biased. He had sensory skills equal to Minato's. This was shown also. He created Edo Tensei. Now this is one of my other problems with your thread. You simply ignored the fact that Tobirama created Edo Tensei and just shrugged if off by saying it was causing a lot of problems. So ****ing what, this shows that he was highly intelligent and highly efficient in summoning and possibly sealing. Its obvious he had similar chakra levels to Hashirama also. You also ignored the fact that he was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, water release user of all time. Even equal to Kisame. Tobirama had a s/t tech equal to Minato's. Minato hinted towards it himself. If you're familiar with s/t teleportation, you should know its one of the top techniques out there, yet his was unspecified. You should know that he could **** anyone up with that technique. He was also able to master the sword of the thunder god. Just wanted to put that out there.

yeah agreed - i made a mistake saying the kage comment, i admitted that earlier on in comments (like in first 50) but no1 reads those so im probs gonna change it lol

 

[gordo1]

Just because we don't know anything about him doesn't mean he's weak.