Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
Deva-Shinra Tensei and Bansho Ten'n. CT and Gedo Mazo
Asura-missiles
Preta-jutsu absorption
Naraka-revival of paths
Human-soul removal
Animal-summons
Naruto can easily counter all the above.
Human isn't a factor as Naruto is too fast(Nagato had the element of surprise since he was thought to be finished by Amaterasu when he caught Naruto)
Animal's summons are still once again too slow and most of them can be taken out by Rasenshurikens except dogs which are still not a factor since they are very slow.
Asura's abilities are pointless, can't catch Naruto, even Sage Naruto took him out in an instant.
Naraka isn't a fighter.
Preta path can be taken out by Frog Kata or summoning a toad to sit on his head.
Deva can be put in his interval through high speed shadow clone attacks which he will have no option but to repel them then taking him out with more-than-Raikage speed.
CT will be TBB'd away
Gedo Mazo was beat in the recent manga by Bee, KM Naruto punch and Guy and Kakashi's attacks, imagine is the power of the Nine Tails was present.
If he's facing Nagato, its the same as explained above, only that he has to simply attack with a physical attack(weapons, frog Kata, toad sit down on head) when he put Nagato in his interval instead of Rasengan,
Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
The title is NARUTO not NAGATO SHIPPUDEN. So, therefore. Naruto will win every fight and will survive cause he's the hero in the story If not. Hm, Then. It's a tragic one))))))
Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
did you know before that fight what naruto did he made more than 6 KM clones,do you know what that mean also:naruto was in 1/6 of the power or less of the original KM when he faced the raikage so please dont use that fight as an excuse.
Naruto, despite all his powerups, is yet to surpass a healthy form of a man who mastered the Sage of 6 Paths' power. Also, Nagato is actually a bad matchup for Naruto because of preta path (many of Naruto's techniques are chakra based). In saying that, Naruto will eventually surpass Nagato.
It's not only narutards but hashXMadaragaytards that think that Naruto,EMS Madara, and Hashirama can beat Nagato which is silly talk at it's finest.
Preta Path > Naruto, but i wouldn't say Naruto will always fall behind Nagato i mean he prob will surpass him eventually cause of his main character status.
Yes..... It looks like naruto has everything undercontroll and is obviously stronger than Pain.
Even though naruto started with Sm/Summons and a weakend deva path, Even though pain did not want to kill him Hence why he missed his vital spots.
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Oh look, once again naruto is in danger of Dying
Without Outside help Either from the kyuubi or Bee/Itachi naruto hasn't beat nagato/pain legit.
I say the Kyuubi is outside help in his Sm fight because naruto had zero controll, it was the kyuubi fighting, not him.
Also if i remember wasn't it itachi who gave the final blow to nagato, and not naruto?
P.S to everyone on this thread, when I say Naruto will never surpass Nagato that was IMO, for all we know BM could be his limit. However everything else I stated was fact.
As many have said Nagato > BM. so if that's his limit he will never surpass Nagato right? :|
Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
nagato would have killed naruto both times they fought it is just that naruto was saved both times by a character.
the thing is that both times he was restrcited, he couldn't kill naruto the first time and the other time kabuto was controlling but even with those restriction he took down naruto easily and could have killed naruto.
Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
SM Naruto has no chance against Nagato, KM Naruto would loose without much trouble for Nagato but BM Naruto could probably beat him, could go either way.
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So lately the Naruto bandwagon train has gotten out of control and I feel like I should slow it down with a serious speed bump. (I thought Uchiha fans were bad but this breed of narutards is on a whole nother level.)
The fact of the matter is, Indeed Naruto is strong, but he never has, and never will Beat Nagato. Here are some point's to support my statement.
1.Let's start back at the SM Naruto (and his summons) vs 6 Paths of Pain (handicapped)
Clearly you see it being stated the most powerful of the paths, Deva Path not being able to us his powers. (Hence why any path was taken out)
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In the end, once his powers returned look where Naruto is left off
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To Summarize, I hope you understand
The entire Fight pain had no intent to kill, but to capture.
Naruto would have been in that position since the start of the fight if Deva had his powers.
Pain says " I avoided any vital wounds" in other words he could have ended naruto's life right there if he wanted to, but of course plot requires the Akatsuki needing kurama.
2.Next, It took 8 Tails to get out of Celestiel Terra Blast and as Pain said, all he had to do was make a bigger one.
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Note: It may not seem like a valid point but we will get back to it further down this thread.
Yes I understand in the end he defeated pain, but only after every other path was gone (which they never would have if Deva had his powers from the start). Plus, it was Pain, NOT Nagato as he is still alive.
3. Now, on to the meeting. This has been one of the biggest trolls in Naruto history and is unforgivable. This is when Kishi went crazy. He creates the 3rd SO6P, a Mini God, Still one of the strongest Chars in Naruto today and he loses to WORDS? There is no denying plot no jutsu exists when one of the strongest characters just "disappears" because he had a conversation with a weaker opponent and felt SO BAD for destroying everything Naruto knew and loved, he gave up his life to bring everyone back.
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If your going to question whether Naruto could have defeated Nagato had they fought your wrong. Naruto had one more shot at SM which would not last him long enough to survive Nagato, he already lost 2 clones fighting 5 paths with Deva still alive and without his powers, he could not defeat Nagato who wields all their powers at once.
4. Now that we establish he defeated Pain (NOT Nagato) by plot, onto the war.
KM Naruto as well stands no Chance, while he showed some impressive feats such as surviving Bansho Tenin, He could do nothing to Nagato.
Exhibit A. he got caught by Asura path and was going to Die with the combo of Preta and Naraka Path.
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Exhibit B. Not only did he get caught, but continued failing by using his Rasengan despite having knowledge that Nagato could absorb it. Thus proving even if Naruto has some strenght to match Nagato, he has no brains whatsoever to keep up with him.
(P.S don't gimme that b.s that he was trying to see if Nagato was controlled, as in the next slide I show he was trapped for good, why would he put himself to be in a position he could not get out and die just to test if Nagato lost his personality?)
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Exhibit C. All this Time Itachi was free thanks to K.A, so this was all Nagato's doing. Not only did Naruto fail, but his not so smarter Teacher get's caught as well. (Honestly name anything they could have done to get out, they were getting their chakra sucked dry/ their souls)
(Another P.S that sm trick would not have worked since it was a summoning holding Naruto, and Preta path wouldbe used to just absorb attacks. Nagato was just sucking out his soul. Unlike Naruto he learns from his mistakes)
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Like I said, Killer Bee is of no use.
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Exhibit D. Oh look, as usual Itachi has to save them both. (Had it not been for Itachi, Naruto would have yet again died and the war would have been lossed)
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Exhibit E. Remember my CT point earlier? Here we see Naruto say " how it's on a whole nother level", meaning Nagato could have done this back in their previous fight.
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Once again, proving Naruto does not have the brains to defeat Nagato and looses his cool (as a shinobi never should). Meanwhile Itachi is solving every problem (the weakness, not needing to aim, etc)
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5. It is debatable whether current BM Naruto has the power to destroy CT by himself. Regardless he did not figure it out and showed no sign of ever figuring it out. Not to mention it was a1 v 3 for Nagato, as I said many times it would have been over a long time ago.
As for BM Naruto vs 100% Healthy Nagato.
One if it's Edo Nagato, he cannot win as he has no sealing techniques.
Preta Path cancels every attack Naruto has
The Summoning give him 100% vision to everything and can keep up with his speed
Shinra Tensei once again cancels everything, TBB or not.
Asura gives him advantage against multiple clones, with his arms and Missles to take out numerous Narutos
Naruto can do nothing against Human Path
He did not figure out how to stop CT and it would crush him.
I'd post pics On the last Part about BM but it's pretty self explanatory.
Arguments I will receive.
Yes preta path can infact absorb a TBB and all, it has never failed to absorb anything.
The Dog summoning will survive as Naruto has no way of gettng rid of them, so his 100% Vision will not go away.
Shinra tensei never failed to push anything
It's debatable whether he can stop CT even if he had info on it.
You may flame me, or somehow Change my mind (Although I doubt it) feel free to take this however you'd like.
Nagato is a sensor as well and can use the Preta Path which is rendering all Chakra techniques useless, what includes Narutos Chakra cloak as well. The huge Bijudama can be deflected by the Shinra Tensei.
Preta Path, sensor ability, Shinra Tensei and Gedo Mazo is enough to face Naruto.
Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
I made a thread like this two days ago. Naruto never beat Nagato he beat the six paths of pain.There is a big difference between beating Nagato in person and beating the paths .Naruto told bee and itachi that nagato jutsu is much stronger in person .And he can use them at the same time, after Naruto tracked Nagato in sage mode . It was all talk no jutsu .Naruto never laid a hand on the real nagato period.