Pre-Rinnegan Tobi vs Pre-Rinnegan Madara

[darthvader5666]

Tobi wins by feats imo.

 

[TobisPawn]

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, even if Madara manages to activate Susanoo, it doesn't cover his lower torso and below, so Tobi is safe doing what he did with Torune.

 

[Djokovic]

There is only one part of Madara that Tobi can suck.

 

[Stark]

EMS because he has the ocular advantage plus from what we know he has more battle experience.

PS > ST

 

[TobisPawn]

EMS because he has the ocular advantage plus from what we know he has more battle experience.

PS > ST

Can he activate PS in time? And Tobi can probably warp into PS anyway...

 

[TobisPawn]

There is only one part of Madara that Tobi can suck.

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, even if Madara manages to activate Susanoo, it doesn't cover his lower torso and below, so Tobi is safe doing what he did with Fu (from below). What he did with Torune might also work (from behind) since there seems to be enough space between Madara and his ribs...

If Madara only achieved that ^^ when he saw Rasengan coming head on, how will he prevent Tobi's warping if he doesn't see it coming at all?

 

[Stark]

Tobi wins by feats imo.

Jump in front of a moving vehicle

 

[TobisPawn]

Jump in front of a moving vehicle

No need to start flaming.

 

[Sunagura]

can tobi wrap PS?

 

[TobisPawn]

can tobi wrap PS?

Doesn't need to when he can warp Madara inside it. You guys realize that, as of now, there's no restrictions as to where Tobi can warp, right?

 

[Djokovic]

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, even if Madara manages to activate Susanoo, it doesn't cover his lower torso and below, so Tobi is safe doing what he did with Fu (from below). What he did with Torune might also work (from behind) since there seems to be enough space between Madara and his ribs...

If Madara only achieved that ^^ when he saw Rasengan coming head on, how will he prevent Tobi's warping if he doesn't see it coming at all?

Torune and Fuu noticed, but they couldnt react on time. Again dont compare 2 fodders with Madara who has the strongest visual powers. Madara can create his Susano instantly with legs if NEEDED. He created Complete Susano the same way. He had to do it fast otherwise he would have been sealed.

The funny thing is you are overhyping this technique, but the truth is. Tobi never warped any Elite ninja.
And now I'm hoping no one is retarded enough to mention Sasuke.

 

[TobisPawn]

Torune and Fuu noticed, but they couldnt react on time. Again dont compare 2 fodders with Madara who has the strongest visual powers. Madara can create his Susano instantly with legs if NEEDED. He created Complete Susano the same way. He had to do it fast otherwise he would have been sealed.

Actually he wouldn't have been sealed if he didn't unleash Susanoo. The Kages were waiting for him to stop absorbing, which he didn't have to. And visual powers has nothing to do with Tobi's warping, really. And he wont be making a legged Susanoo instantly if he only managed a few ribs against Naruto's Rasengan...and Tobi can still warp inside Susanoo if necessary.

The funny thing is you are overhyping this technique, but the truth is. Tobi never warped any Elite ninja.
And now I'm hoping no one is retarded enough to mention Sasuke.

Seriously? That's like me saying that Madara's Susanoo hasn't killed anyone yet. U_U Tobi would have warped Minato if he didn't have FTG, something more instantaneous than a few ribs forming (which wouldn't stop Tobi anyway).

The Sasuke example proves Tobi's warping speed, if anything.

 

[Djokovic]

Actually he wouldn't have been sealed if he didn't unleash Susanoo. The Kages were waiting for him to stop absorbing, which he didn't have to. And visual powers has nothing to do with Tobi's warping, really. And he wont be making a legged Susanoo instantly if he only managed a few ribs against Naruto's Rasengan...and Tobi can still warp inside Susanoo if necessary.



Seriously? That's like me saying that Madara's Susanoo hasn't killed anyone yet. U_U Tobi would have warped Minato if he didn't have FTG, something more instantaneous than a few ribs forming (which wouldn't stop Tobi anyway).

The Sasuke example proves Tobi's warping speed, if anything.

You are wrong. Madara tried to absorb the attack, but failed. After that Gaara set up the sealing tachnique. Go read the manga again.

Madara's visual powers has everything to do with it. He can predict all movements and will notice the opponent much faster.

The truth still stands, Tobi has never warped an Elite ninja before. And even against fodders he struggled.

 

[TobisPawn]

You are wrong. Madara tried to absorb the attack, but failed. After that Gaara set up the sealing tachnique. Go read the manga again.

Madara's visual powers has everything to do with it. He can predict all movements and will notice the opponent much faster.

The truth still stands, Tobi has never warped an Elite ninja before. And even against fodders he struggled.

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They said his only escape was to stop absorbing, from where the could smack him with Jinton and then seal him.

So Madara can predict movements through different dimensions and in areas where he can't even see? kbro

And the truth still stands that Madara hasn't killed anyone with Susanoo. Where are you trying to go with this? The fact that one elite ninja had an S/T tech and that the other had prepared and had 600 billion paper bombs? I didn't know Madara had any of those (an instantaneous S/T tech or intel and prep time). :sy:

And how exactly did Tobi struggle against the two Root ninjas (Danzo's bodyguards, not fodder)? Because he intentionally lost an arm? I don't see him struggling

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. And I didn't know Madara has preset moves like Torune's insects.

 

[Djokovic]

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They said his only escape was to stop absorbing, from where the could smack him with Jinton and then seal him..

They never said that. He just couldnt absorb it all.
Why would absorbing turn to be negative?

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[TobisPawn]

They never said that. He just couldnt absorb it all.
Why would absorbing turn to be negative?

He was absorbing it, but the sand was in the water so it began piling up on him. The Kages stated that he'd have to stop absorbing it to stop the sand from piling up on him, so then the lightning-infused water would dull him, letting Onoki Jinton him. Then he'd be sealed.

He will notice Tobi when he materilizes the first mili particle.

Are you calling Torune and Fuu Elite ninjas now? Tobi lost an arm against 2 fodders. This is called struggle. You don't intentionally lose an arm, if you have better options left.

What if Tobi warps out of his site? And what if Tobi warps near Madara in a location Madara can't see him (Minato, Torune)? Fu and Torune are pretty elite to be Danzo's bodyguards...and that's Tobi's fighting style. He wouldn't lose an arm to Madara from warping him b/c Madara has no moves like Torune.

 

[arv993]

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, even if Madara manages to activate Susanoo, it doesn't cover his lower torso and below, so Tobi is safe doing what he did with Torune.

his instant sussano would blow him back dude the only place his sussano does cover is the bottom and thats only in the beginning. and as sussano activate it blows anyone away from the person which is madara

 

[TobisPawn]

his instant sussano would blow him back dude the only place his sussano does cover is the bottom and thats only in the beginning. and as sussano activate it blows anyone away from the person which is madara

The only place his Susanoo didn't cover was the bottom as it formed.

 

[arv993]

The only place his Susanoo didn't cover was the bottom as it formed.

yea and tobi doesnt absorb from the bottom he always comes outside and does it. even with fu his body was for the majority outside. when sussnao is activated tobi can easily be pushed away since at that time he is tangible

my bad if u r confused i meant that when activated it initially doesnt have legs so there isnt anything covering the bottom

 

[Djokovic]

He was absorbing it, but the sand was in the water so it began piling up on him. The Kages stated that he'd have to stop absorbing it to stop the sand from piling up on him, so then the lightning-infused water would dull him, letting Onoki Jinton him. Then he'd be sealed.




What if Tobi warps out of his site? And what if Tobi warps near Madara in a location Madara can't see him (Minato, Torune)? Fu and Torune are pretty elite to be Danzo's bodyguards...and that's Tobi's fighting style. He wouldn't lose an arm to Madara from warping him b/c Madara has no moves like Torune.

Tobi was visible behind Torune, but he couldnt sense him. You are still denying that Torune and Fuu are fodders. That quite laughable.
You know by throwing your arm in your opponents face is a kind of weakness. He needed some kind of diversion to warp away a fodder.

Also it doesnt matter if they forced Madara to stop absorbing. All I'm saying Madara was in a proces of being sealed away. He had a second to react.

Im still laughing at the fact that Torune caused him trouble and you think Madara will just stand there and do nothing.