Pre-Rinnegan Tobi vs Pre-Rinnegan Madara

[Exaar]

dude wtf r u smoking dont act like tobi can't feel the heat and is completely immune to it he will be on the ground from that attack

look at these scans tobi can't hold on to madara when he is in this state

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and madara knows his own tech so he can move away as soon as he finishes it and his sussano is mobile which makes it a lot easier

Did i say they wouldn't hurt Tobi?, No i didn't.

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Look at the size of the Flames after they first Hit, Your Telling me they wouldn't also Spread to Madara uppon impacting Tobi when Tobi is Right close to him and has hold of him?.

Tobi would only let go after the flames hit him, the flames have more than enough time to spread to Madara befor he's able to jump/move away.

 

[Redvash20]

Tobi can control jinchuuriki's and Bijuu's whilst Madara has only been shown to control bijuu's.

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Madara can't damage Tobi, or it's going to be very difficult. It would be easier for Tobi to either kidnap him or snap his neck.

um no tobi cant control jinchuriki he controlled the bijuus kabuto made it possible for them to come out... and ur talking about a time where he already has rinnegan when it is suppose to be pre-rinnegan

 

[Redvash20]

Did i say they wouldn't hurt Tobi?, No i didn't.

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Look at the size of the Flames after they first Hit, Your Telling me they wouldn't also Spread to Madara uppon impacting Tobi when Tobi is Right close to him and has hold of him?.

Tobi would only let go after the flames hit him, the flames have more than enough time to spread to Madara befor he's able to jump/move away.

first who said madara can use amateratsu when no one has seen him use it... 2nd if he did have it he would be able to extinguish it because he is the user......??????

 

[arv993]

Did i say they wouldn't hurt Tobi?, No i didn't.

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Look at the size of the Flames after they first Hit, Your Telling me they wouldn't also Spread to Madara uppon impacting Tobi when Tobi is Right close to him and has hold of him?.

Tobi would only let go after the flames hit him, the flames have more than enough time to spread to Madara befor he's able to jump/move away.

it wont hit madara because madara aims where the flames :sy: and doesnt have to use a gigantic flame.

and tobi is close to him but unless tobi is actually on top of his madara's whole body the falmes wont spread fast enough

if it hits tobi's torso how in the hell does amaterasu spread so fast that it would cover madara's body he will simply jump away and his sussano is mobile too so there is no problem with that.

it would first spread through tobi's body b4 even making contact to madara and that is enough time fro him to escape and no the instant that tech hit tobi madara can easily get away.

U said "I highly doubt tobi would let him go in that situation" but sorry the second madara uses the tech tobi would be in pain and can't control his body(as shown clearly in the scan) then easily allowing madara to escape that is what i was referring to with my point so ur argument of him holding on to madara is pure fantasy as the manga clearly shows he is in a lot of pain loses control of his body

And he can extinguish like sasuke did to karin but regardless he can get away

here u can see that itachi too can stop the amaterasu as it spreading

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so even by the slight chance that it goes on him he can stop it like both itachi and sasuke have been shown to do.

and it doesnt spread nearly that fast otherwise karin's whole body and the water around her would have been on blackfire by the time sasuke extinguished it. so madara can escape, jump out of the sussano immediately or extinguish or stop the amaterasu if necessary

 

[arv993]

first who said madara can use amateratsu when no one has seen him use it... 2nd if he did have it he would be able to extinguish it because he is the user......??????

refer to the databook. it says ppl who have sussano have the other two abilities which is tsukiyomi and amaterasu

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[Reading Steiner]

Tobi get's this, really.

 

[Redvash20]

refer to the databook. it says ppl who have sussano have the other two abilities which is tsukiyomi and amaterasu

Ok then what datebook u talking about? Where it at? Did kishi write this himself? Cause I haven't seen or heard of this

 

[arv993]

Ok then what datebook u talking about? Where it at? Did kishi write this himself? Cause I haven't seen or heard of this

just edited it bro i kno u guys would ask for it
and yes kishi wrote it

 

[Maunten]

Tobi, perfect susanoo will last how long with a non edo? It stands to reason that the pain and chakra consumption would be ridciulous.

Who can escape tobi's warp skill, minato, konan because of a ocean of explosives.

 

[TobisPawn]

um no tobi cant control jinchuriki he controlled the bijuus kabuto made it possible for them to come out... and ur talking about a time where he already has rinnegan when it is suppose to be pre-rinnegan

He controlled Yagura.

it wont hit madara because madara aims where the flames :sy: and doesnt have to use a gigantic flame.

and tobi is close to him but unless tobi is actually on top of his madara's whole body the falmes wont spread fast enough

if it hits tobi's torso how in the hell does amaterasu spread so fast that it would cover madara's body he will simply jump away and his sussano is mobile too so there is no problem with that.

it would first spread through tobi's body b4 even making contact to madara and that is enough time fro him to escape and no the instant that tech hit tobi madara can easily get away.

U said "I highly doubt tobi would let him go in that situation" but sorry the second madara uses the tech tobi would be in pain and can't control his body(as shown clearly in the scan) then easily allowing madara to escape that is what i was referring to with my point so ur argument of him holding on to madara is pure fantasy as the manga clearly shows he is in a lot of pain loses control of his body

And he can extinguish like sasuke did to karin but regardless he can get away

here u can see that itachi too can stop the amaterasu as it spreading

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so even by the slight chance that it goes on him he can stop it like both itachi and sasuke have been shown to do.

and it doesnt spread nearly that fast otherwise karin's whole body and the water around her would have been on blackfire by the time sasuke extinguished it. so madara can escape, jump out of the sussano immediately or extinguish or stop the amaterasu if necessary

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What if Tobi warps him while Tobi's torso is inside Madara's body? First of all, Madara can't turn around and hit him in that little time. Second, if he somehow does, he gets burnt too.

Tobi, perfect susanoo will last how long with a non edo? It stands to reason that the pain and chakra consumption would be ridciulous.

Who can escape tobi's warp skill, minato, konan because of a ocean of explosives.

Too bad Madara's been overrated like there's no tomorrow over here...

im pretty sure if tobi just randomly warps, madara will know that tobi is trying to warp near him. tobi will have to make at least physical contact with madara to warp him. he gets smacked by susano.

And if Tobi warps inside Susanoo when Madara's also inside?

 

[arv993]

He controlled Yagura.

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What if Tobi warps him while Tobi's torso is inside Madara's body? First of all, Madara can't turn around and hit him in that little time. Second, if he somehow does, he gets burnt too.




Too bad Madara's been overrated like there's no tomorrow over here...



And if Tobi warps inside Susanoo when Madara's also inside?

yes when tobi's inside madara can use amaterasu. u take madara for a fool he will hit tobi with his fastest attack after seeing tobi is speedy and only tangible for a moment he will be ready with amaterasu as soon as tobi comes close. and dont act like madara has no clue about tobi and only tobi knows about madara as its clearly seen they have the same plan and know of each other plus its not hard to figure it out as multiple shinobi quickly grasped of tobi's s/t basics

madara has common sense hit a fast opponent with ur fastest attack and amaterasu is way too fast at point blank range tobi doesnt have time to warp him. its that simple even if he is behind all he needs is to look at him not turn his whole body around :sy: amaterasu doesnt require u to full turn around all it needs is for u to look at the person which is not hard inside sussano and with the sharingan its easier to keep up with a person's movement also so him looking at tobi is not far fetched at all

all madara needs to do is see him and at point blank range he will hit tobi with his amaterasu madara will not have his torso in his body amatearsu is instant especially at point blank range and fast

he can't be within a person body and absorb them either as he is tangible when he tries to absorb ppl so how would his body and madara's connect together they will be close to each other and that is all.

madara can jump away and i already shown u the previous posts as soon as tobi gets hit with amaterasu and can't control himself for while and madara can easily jump away

and amaterasu doesnt spread fast otherwise the samurai would have had their whole bodies burning not just their armor, and karin's body and the water around her would have been burning if amaterasu spread that fast but it obviously doesnt so madara can easily jump away

not to mention he can extinguish/stop the flames like itachi and sasuke.

even though s/t techs is probably one of the best or the best defense tech as it can avoid anything fast techs can counter it especially amatearsu at point blank range don't overrate it.

madara gets overrated here some ppl simply say madara wins because he is legendary but ppl here also overrate tobi's s/t even though it is like i said one of the best jutsus but it can be countered.

tobi does have a shot at winning never denied it but madar with the right techs also has a good shot at it but u guys make it seem he is hopeless against tobi which is not true at all. if he has amaterasu which according to the databook he should have then he has a good shot.

 

[Exaar]

it wont hit madara because madara aims where the flames :sy: and doesnt have to use a gigantic flame.

and tobi is close to him but unless tobi is actually on top of his madara's whole body the falmes wont spread fast enough

if it hits tobi's torso how in the hell does amaterasu spread so fast that it would cover madara's body he will simply jump away and his sussano is mobile too so there is no problem with that.

it would first spread through tobi's body b4 even making contact to madara and that is enough time fro him to escape and no the instant that tech hit tobi madara can easily get away.

U said "I highly doubt tobi would let him go in that situation" but sorry the second madara uses the tech tobi would be in pain and can't control his body(as shown clearly in the scan) then easily allowing madara to escape that is what i was referring to with my point so ur argument of him holding on to madara is pure fantasy as the manga clearly shows he is in a lot of pain loses control of his body

And he can extinguish like sasuke did to karin but regardless he can get away

here u can see that itachi too can stop the amaterasu as it spreading

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so even by the slight chance that it goes on him he can stop it like both itachi and sasuke have been shown to do.

and it doesnt spread nearly that fast otherwise karin's whole body and the water around her would have been on blackfire by the time sasuke extinguished it. so madara can escape, jump out of the sussano immediately or extinguish or stop the amaterasu if necessary

Even So, Asoon as tobi touches him he starts Warping.

So in the time i took minato to use FTG, Madara has to Turn around, Focus his vision on Tobi then Use amaterasu.

I highly doubt he has the time to do that in the fist place.

So unless Madara can do all this in this space of time that it took Minato (Who has one of the highest reaction level's in the Manga) to use FTG, It won't really work.

Amaterasu it's self is instant, But befor it can be used the user has to focus on the target befor it can be used.

It sounds a bitch far fetched that he can do this all in the space of a second.

Plus on top of all this, Having no Info on what tobi would be trying to do. So he cannot Pre prep for this.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

i dont see a counter for intangibility/teleporting. madara loses this one

 

[TobisPawn]

yes when tobi's inside madara can use amaterasu. u take madara for a fool he will hit tobi with his fastest attack after seeing tobi is speedy and only tangible for a moment he will be ready with amaterasu as soon as tobi comes close. and dont act like madara has no clue about tobi and only tobi knows about madara as its clearly seen they have the same plan and know of each other plus its not hard to figure it out as multiple shinobi quickly grasped of tobi's s/t basics

madara has common sense hit a fast opponent with ur fastest attack and amaterasu is way too fast at point blank range tobi doesnt have time to warp him. its that simple even if he is behind all he needs is to look at him not turn his whole body around :sy: amaterasu doesnt require u to full turn around all it needs is for u to look at the person which is not hard inside sussano and with the sharingan its easier to keep up with a person's movement also so him looking at tobi is not far fetched at all

all madara needs to do is see him and at point blank range he will hit tobi with his amaterasu madara will not have his torso in his body amatearsu is instant especially at point blank range and fast

he can't be within a person body and absorb them either as he is tangible when he tries to absorb ppl so how would his body and madara's connect together they will be close to each other and that is all.

madara can jump away and i already shown u the previous posts as soon as tobi gets hit with amaterasu and can't control himself for while and madara can easily jump away

and amaterasu doesnt spread fast otherwise the samurai would have had their whole bodies burning not just their armor, and karin's body and the water around her would have been burning if amaterasu spread that fast but it obviously doesnt so madara can easily jump away

not to mention he can extinguish/stop the flames like itachi and sasuke.

even though s/t techs is probably one of the best or the best defense tech as it can avoid anything fast techs can counter it especially amatearsu at point blank range don't overrate it.

madara gets overrated here some ppl simply say madara wins because he is legendary but ppl here also overrate tobi's s/t even though it is like i said one of the best jutsus but it can be countered.

tobi does have a shot at winning never denied it but madar with the right techs also has a good shot at it but u guys make it seem he is hopeless against tobi which is not true at all. if he has amaterasu which according to the databook he should have then he has a good shot.

Look at Torune. He didn't even realize what was happening. If Madara has no knowledge on Tobi's S/T techs, the same will happen for him. If Madara wrecks the battlefield with a Susanoo, he'll expect that he's won, or close to that. He wont be thinking, "OK, I reckon this guy has S/T techs that can warp me away! And he can only warp when he's tangible! Oh yeah, and he can turn intangible for 5 minutes. Well, he'll warp behind me. Time to prepare an Amaterasu!" if he has no knowledge on Tobi's S/T techs. I doubt he'll even expect that Tobi can just warp wherever he wants. So the same thing will happen as with Torune.

Also, in the impossible case that Madara actually does predict all of that. He can't turn around fast enough to do anything about it, unless Tobi takes his time like he did with Minato. And being warped

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Madara simply can't hit an Amaterasu in this split-second scenario. :shrug:

Even So, Asoon as tobi touches him he starts Warping.

So in the time i took minato to use FTG, Madara has to Turn around, Focus his vision on Tobi then Use amaterasu.

Added to that, Madara has to realize that he's being warped (something Torune didn't even notice).

I highly doubt he has the time to do that in the fist place.

So unless Madara can do all this in this space of time that it took Minato (Who has one of the highest reaction level's in the Manga) to use FTG, It won't really work.

He can't do it. Tobi wins with his warping.

Amaterasu it's self is instant, But befor it can be used the user has to focus on the target befor it can be used.

Nice point.

It sounds a bitch far fetched that he can do this all in the space of a second.

Plus on top of all this, Having no Info on what tobi would be trying to do. So he cannot Pre prep for this.

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[arv993]

Even So, Asoon as tobi touches him he starts Warping.

So in the time i took minato to use FTG, Madara has to Turn around, Focus his vision on Tobi then Use amaterasu.

I highly doubt he has the time to do that in the fist place.

So unless Madara can do all this in this space of time that it took Minato (Who has one of the highest reaction level's in the Manga) to use FTG, It won't really work.

Amaterasu it's self is instant, But befor it can be used the user has to focus on the target befor it can be used.

It sounds a bitch far fetched that he can do this all in the space of a second.

Plus on top of all this, Having no Info on what tobi would be trying to do. So he cannot Pre prep for this.

how do u kno he has no info on tobi. they know of each other, have the same plan, and all the signs point madara knows tobi, he even asks kabuto if he knows of their plan He knows who tobi is. and like i said fuu and torune and others figured how to counter it after seeing only for a little bit.

when inside sussano and he can't see tobi because he is trying to suck him up what do u think madara would try to do use his fastest tech on a fast opponent.he will be ready and waiting for tobi ready to blast him, no one is going to be waiting there sitting defenseless but trying to attack immediately

Do both of u realize that he just has to look at him not turn his whole body and amaterasu point blank range is faster than tobi's warping ability don't even deny that and if he uses it while he tries to warp him tobi would be burning and go berserk like b4

not to mention with the sharingan its easier to keep track of opponents movement madara looking at tobi s not far fetched especially when he knows its coming. reaction times dont matter if he is waiting for an attack he can be ready with his tech to hit him

this is ur logic madara is in sussano then stands there doing nothing while tobi goes underground and sneakily tries to absorb him and madara does nothing but wait for the inevitable like i said he will bewaiting for an ambush and use his fastest tech and as soon as he sees him he'll use it and warping is still not as fast as amaterasu which is instant in point blank range. ofc there is a possibility madara can lose but at the same time its also very possible tobi can get hit with amaterasu and after that he is toast.

 

[shogun973]

Madara, by being the strongest uchiha for a reason he is the strongest I mean really if he makes a clone and tobi goes to attack and Becomes solid again its over....and I think he can use perfect susanoo w/out rinnegan

 

[Kira was Righteous]

I believe EMS Madara would win if he just stays on top of Perfect Susanoo.Tobi cant fly and Susanoo would keep hitting him with shockwaves

He cant teleport massive things in little time or he would of been able to teleport the tags Konan made in a instance.I believe Madara would outlast him and put him under to much pressure

 

[shogun973]

You make it sound like Tobi is just gonna walk up to him and try to Warp him.

tobi having a Little chat with Danzo

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Next thing he appears behind Torune and almost instantly Warps him

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Simply activating susanoo isn't quick enough to evade tobi's Warping speed.


Tobi is controlling 6, Count them 6 Biiju, Madara's best feat is just one Bijuu, Be it the 9tails but tobi still has him beat in the area.

Madara being a "legend" or not changes shit, He could be the Sages Boy toy for all i care.



As far as Feats go Itachi is above him in intelligence.

susanoo is faster than lightning my friend

 

[shogun973]

I believe EMS Madara would win if he just stays on top of Perfect Susanoo.Tobi cant fly and Susanoo would keep hitting him with shockwaves

He cant teleport massive things in little time or he would of been able to teleport the tags Konan made in a instance.I believe Madara would outlast him and put him under to much pressure

this^ its too much raw power with not intelligence but EXPERIENCE....this is the man that rag dolled both oonoki and muu, with ems and with ease

 

[arv993]

Look at Torune. He didn't even realize what was happening. If Madara has no knowledge on Tobi's S/T techs, the same will happen for him. If Madara wrecks the battlefield with a Susanoo, he'll expect that he's won, or close to that. He wont be thinking, "OK, I reckon this guy has S/T techs that can warp me away! And he can only warp when he's tangible! Oh yeah, and he can turn intangible for 5 minutes. Well, he'll warp behind me. Time to prepare an Amaterasu!" if he has no knowledge on Tobi's S/T techs. I doubt he'll even expect that Tobi can just warp wherever he wants. So the same thing will happen as with Torune.

Also, in the impossible case that Madara actually does predict all of that. He can't turn around fast enough to do anything about it, unless Tobi takes his time like he did with Minato. And being warped

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Madara simply can't hit an Amaterasu in this split-second scenario. :shrug:




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so madara has no clue who tobi is that is unlikely and not true

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they for some reason would have the same plan and cleary show here that madara knows of tobi. tobi knows about madara but the same is also very highly possible.

and like others he can also figure out about how his s/t works. first time tobi tries to warp madara, he can easily push him away with his sussano activated as he only uses susanoo when necessary. from then onwards it anyone can be cautious and the scenario i mentioned is something that can easily happen.

like i said b4 in sussano, what would madara do while tobi tries to sneak up on him just stand there, ofc not he will ready to use amaterasu as its his fastest tech on this opponent. tobi comes pretty fast but can easily get hit by amaterasu as it doesnt take anytime especially at pointblank and like i said he has to look at him not turn his whole body around and inside sussano there is only so many places he can sneak up on so madara can easily see him wherever he comes from. its not nearly far fetched and ofc there are chances madara too can absorbed not denying it but if tobi gets hit by amaterasu its game over for him too. i am not saying madara wins all the time but its a toss up but u guys make it seem hopeless against his s/t tech but thats not the case. if madara is smart he has a good shot