Pre-Rinnegan Tobi vs Pre-Rinnegan Madara

[Exaar]

Madara can't immediately hit him with Amaterasu if Tobi is behind him. -__-

Even if he does, Tobi is close enough to madara for the flames to Spread to madara himself.

 

[TheSages456]

Tobi already avoided Amaterasu once. If Madara is inside Susanoo, and Tobi appears behind him, Madara can't turn around and activate Amaterasu in that little time frame.



I'm pretty sure Danzo wasn't grabbing Sasuke from right behind or right beneath him. In that case, Sasuke would've been done too. Yeah, Danzo wasn't even in contact with Sasuke.

im pretty sure if tobi just randomly warps, madara will know that tobi is trying to warp near him. tobi will have to make at least physical contact with madara to warp him. he gets smacked by susano.

 

[arv993]

Dazno wasn't that close.

Susanoo's ribs separated Danzo and Sasuke, So of couse he didn't get hurt. It's not like Danzo had a hand on sasuke or anything.

Without info on his S/T tobi is going to grab hold of you at some point, He even Caught minato the first time, Asoon as he touched him, Minato felt the warping effect, He barely escaped it using FTG, So i can't see how Madara is going to React and form a Plan of attack all in just a short space of time.

Even the Kages didn't/couldn't see Tobi save sasuke from dust release.

please everyone figured out how s/t worked fu and torune figured out how to counter it, minato figured out how to counter attack it by using counterattack when tobi attacks.

amaterasu is a fast enough attack during his time inside sussano if he doesnt have sussano on then he can simply activate it as a defense

 

[TobisPawn]

Even if he does, Tobi is close enough to madara for the flames to Spread to madara himself.

That's true too. EMS Madara can't really hit Tobi or avoid his warping.

 

[arv993]

Madara can't immediately hit him with Amaterasu if Tobi is behind him. -__-

yea he can there is only one way tobi can from and attack him and that is where madara would focus thus use amaterasu where he comes from. ur making madara out to be an idiot which he is not he can attack tobi where he comes from which is either the back or underground

 

[TobisPawn]

please everyone figured out how s/t worked fu and torune figured out how to counter it, minato figured out how to counter attack it by using counterattack when tobi attacks.

amaterasu is a fast enough attack during his time inside sussano if he doesnt have sussano on then he can simply activate it as a defense

Holy moly man. Tobi has already avoided it before. And if Tobi warps behind him when in Susanoo, Madara isn't hitting him with Amaterasu fast enough.

 

[TobisPawn]

yea he can there is only one way tobi can from and attack him and that is where madara would focus thus use amaterasu where he comes from. ur making madara out to be an idiot which he is not he can attack tobi where he comes from which is either the back or underground

So Madara will know exactly where Tobi will warp and be able to hit him in the time in which FTG barely avoided it?

And he doesn't even know about Tobi's S/T techs or the fact that he'll warp..

 

[arv993]

Holy moly man. Tobi has already avoided it before. And if Tobi warps behind him when in Susanoo, Madara isn't hitting him with Amaterasu fast enough.

yea

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yea he still yells and gets hurt and is an opportunity to attack tobi as he is completely tangible for that period of time

 

[Exaar]

please everyone figured out how s/t worked fu and torune figured out how to counter it, minato figured out how to counter attack it by using counterattack when tobi attacks.

amaterasu is a fast enough attack during his time inside sussano if he doesnt have sussano on then he can simply activate it as a defense

Simply activate it? while in the middle of getting warped, Ok.

Knowing how to counter it and having the speed to counter it are two Different things.

None of Madara's attacks are fast enough to hit tobi, Plus he already survived a direct hit from amaterasu.

Madara has to stop tobi Befor he started warping, once the warping has started it's over, Unless he has an intant S/T Jutsu like minato.
Basically Madara has to not allow a hand to touch him, by the time tobi touchs him he is gone.

Taijutsu is out of the question for Madara, Ninjutsu is easily avoided, Since Tobi also has the sharingan Genjutsu wouldn't be all that effective, If it was itachi would of killed him ages ago.

 

[arv993]

So Madara will know exactly where Tobi will warp and be able to hit him in the time in which FTG barely avoided it?

and ur assuming madara would do nothing while tobi tries to warp him.

he can come from only where madara can't look which is from the back or underground and thats where madara looks

amaterasu is near instant especially when the target is very close

 

[arv993]

Simply activate it? while in the middle of getting warped, Ok.

Knowing how to counter it and having the speed to counter it are two Different things.

None of Madara's attacks are fast enough to hit tobi, Plus he already survived a direct hit from amaterasu.

Madara has to stop tobi Befor he started warping, once the warping has started it's over, Unless he has an intant S/T Jutsu like minato.
Basically Madara has to not allow a hand to touch him, by the time tobi touchs him he is gone.

Taijutsu is out of the question for Madara, Ninjutsu is easily avoided, Since Tobi also has the sharingan Genjutsu wouldn't be all that effective, If it was itachi would of killed him ages ago.

activate it?

please sussano activation is instant


itachi was able to activate sussano when lightning which is very fast and conidered unavoidable went towards itachi

sasuke activated by the time A hit him with one of his strongest attacks

 

[Exaar]

and ur assuming madara would do nothing while tobi tries to warp him.

he can come from only where madara can't look which is from the back or underground and thats where madara looks

amaterasu is near instant especially when the target is very close

As i've said, Using it on a target thats very close is dangerous, he risks the flames spreading onto him also, especially if tobi has his hands on him.

 

[arv993]

i am not saying madara wins it can go either way but madara with amaterasu and sussano should be able to avoid tobi's warping. but tobi is still a very hard guy to hit but u make it seem impossible is which i disagree with

sussano activation works in an instant

amatearsu at point blank range also also works almost instantly

 

[Tartarus]

Since when is getting sucked into Tobi's pocket dimension=victory? We don't even know what happens when you get sucked into the pocket dimension.

 

[arv993]

As i've said, Using it on a target thats very close is dangerous, he risks the flames spreading onto him also, especially if tobi has his hands on him.

when he is burning tobi's arms wont be clinging and madara and his sussano can easily jump away and attack as tobi for a while after being hit by amaterasu is still tangible and be yelling.

Madara would be keen on tobi being hit by amaterasu since its his best counter to tobi's warping and s/t.

 

[arv993]

madara also has the advantage in that his sussano is mobile so he can easily get away from his own amaterasu flames and wont let it spread on to him.

madara has no easy win at all but neither does tobi as long as madara is decently smart and can understand tobi's s/t basics which multiple ppl have

 

[Exaar]

when he is burning tobi's arms wont be clinging and madara and his sussano can easily jump away and attack as tobi for a while after being hit by amaterasu is still tangible and be yelling.

Madara would be keen on tobi being hit by amaterasu since its his best counter to tobi's warping and s/t.

As you said, Amaterasu would hit the target almost instantly at close range, I highly doubt Tobi would let go and Madara jump away in the time it take for it to hit tobi and spread.

 

[arv993]

And if we take ps into account which madara has tobi would have a much diffucult time getting madara since he has problems reaching the madara. but at the same time madara would have a diffucult time hitting as his intangibility is very fast

 

[arv993]

As you said, Amaterasu would hit the target almost instantly at close range, I highly doubt Tobi would let go and Madara jump away in the time it take for it to hit tobi and spread.

dude wtf r u smoking dont act like tobi can't feel the heat and is completely immune to it he will be on the ground from that attack

look at these scans tobi can't hold on to madara when he is in this state

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and madara knows his own tech so he can move away as soon as he finishes it and his sussano is mobile which makes it a lot easier

 

[Midday]

Since when is getting sucked into Tobi's pocket dimension=victory? We don't even know what happens when you get sucked into the pocket dimension.

Tobi could let him starve to death?