Pre-Rinnegan Tobi vs Pre-Rinnegan Madara

[Exaar]

Are you saying he has full knowledge of Tobi's ability, and that he's as smart as Itachi? U_U

It seems just because he is "A ledgend" that he automatically > Other uchiha's/Shinobi is All area's.

 

[TheSages456]

How exactly does Madara continuously attack Tobi for 5 minutes? Tobi wont be standing still. He can sink underground to avoid any attacks, and go tangible at certain points to refresh his 5 minute limit.

And Madara isn't as fast as Minato's FTG, nor does he have Shinra Tensei or Mokuton in this situation. If Madara is in his Perfect Susanoo, and Tobi warps over and starts warping, he can't really do much about it in the little time he has.




He walked over and warped Fu and Torune. He doesn't have to be necessarily grabbing them. He also warped Fu from beneath him (the ground) where the rib cage wouldn't reach. And Madara doesn't have knowledge on Tobi's S/T techs, nor is he as smart as Itachi. This is a head on fight too. Itachi could have assassinated Tobi..

perfect susano destroys the ground that tobis hiding in. torune was able to infect tobi with poisinous insects before he got warped. there is obviously a small window of time to attack. in the time that tobi is warping madara, he gets his head punched off by susanos fist. madara fought in war all his life. he has both battle experience and battle intelligence. he wont be dropping his guard.

You make it sound like Tobi is just gonna walk up to him and try to Warp him.

tobi having a Little chat with Danzo

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Next thing he appears behind Torune and almost instantly Warps him

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Simply activating susanoo isn't quick enough to evade tobi's Warping speed.


Tobi is controlling 6, Count them 6 Biiju, Madara's best feat is just one Bijuu, Be it the 9tails but tobi still has him beat in the area.

Madara being a "legend" or not changes shit, He could be the Sages Boy toy for all i care.

torune was taking off his shirt and when he looked up, tobi was gone. tobi then took advantage and warped him. torune was able to infect tobi with poisinous insects while being warped. tobi gets his head punched off by susanos fist if he tries to warp madara.

 

[TobisPawn]

perfect susano destroys the ground that tobis hiding in. torune was able to infect tobi with poisinous insects before he got warped. there is obviously a small window of time to attack. in the time that tobi is warping madara, he gets his head punched off by susanos fist. madara fought in war all his life. he has both battle experience and battle intelligence. he wont be dropping his guard.

Tobi is still intangible when underground, so the Susanoo does nothing. When he's uprooted, he warps into Susanoo and kidnaps Madara. And Torune didn't really attack, Tobi got infected by touching him. Madara doesn't have a preset move like that.

Madara can't punch inside his own Susanoo... :sy:
I don't think Madara has encountered something like Tobi's S/T techs, nor would battle experience help once Tobi's begun warping him. He has no instant counter like FTG or Shinra Tensei.

torune was taking off his shirt and when he looked up, tobi was gone. tobi then took advantage and warped him. torune was able to infect tobi with poisinous insects while being warped. tobi gets his head punched off by susanos fist if he tries to warp madara.

Fu should have still noticed and said something. And Torune didn't do anything to infect him, it was preset. And Madara isn't punching inside his own Susanoo, pal. And disregarding the Torune situation, Tobi was still fast enough to warp into Jinton, grab Sasuke, and warp out.

 

[Exaar]

torune was taking off his shirt and when he looked up, tobi was gone. tobi then took advantage and warped him. torune was able to infect tobi with poisinous insects while being warped. tobi gets his head punched off by susanos fist if he tries to warp madara.

He covered his whole body with the the Poisonous insects, Tobi Touched him on the arm befor warping him, Thus getting infected, it had nothing to do with torune Reacting to tobi's Warping.

Also Fuu wasn't even able to get up off his Knee's in the time it took tobi to warp him.

If you really think madara can activate suannoo and attack with it almost instantly then Lulz.

 

[TobisPawn]

He covered his whole body with the the Poisonous insects, Tobi Touched him on the arm befor warping him, Thus getting infected, it had nothing to do with torune Reacting to tobi's Warping.

Also Fuu wasn't even able to get up off his Knee's in the time it took tobi to warp him.

If you really think madara can activate suannoo and attack with it almost instantly then Lulz.

Either way, Tobi can just get him once he actually activates Susanoo. :ice:

 

[TheSages456]

Tobi is still intangible when underground, so the Susanoo does nothing. When he's uprooted, he warps into Susanoo and kidnaps Madara. And Torune didn't really attack, Tobi got infected by touching him. Madara doesn't have a preset move like that.

Madara can't punch inside his own Susanoo... :sy:
I don't think Madara has encountered something like Tobi's S/T techs, nor would battle experience help once Tobi's begun warping him. He has no instant counter like FTG or Shinra Tensei.






Fu should have still noticed and said something. And Torune didn't do anything to infect him, it was preset. And Madara isn't punching inside his own Susanoo, pal. And disregarding the Torune situation, Tobi was still fast enough to warp into Jinton, grab Sasuke, and warp out.

oh god. if madara is on his guard and is constantly watching tobi then he will not get warped. i think if tobi could warp people as easily as you say he could then kakashi and guy would already been defeated. susano would reveal tobis position by destroying the ground then madara could continue wearing down tobis intangibility. if tobi warps so fast then konans paper bombs shouldnt have even been a problem for him.

 

[TheSages456]

He covered his whole body with the the Poisonous insects, Tobi Touched him on the arm befor warping him, Thus getting infected, it had nothing to do with torune Reacting to tobi's Warping.

Also Fuu wasn't even able to get up off his Knee's in the time it took tobi to warp him.

If you really think madara can activate suannoo and attack with it almost instantly then Lulz.

lets see what happens to tobi if he tries to warp madara:

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[Exaar]

lets see what happens to tobi if he tries to warp madara:

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Yeah, The problem is Danzo is on the outside of Susanoo.

Tobi would be on the Inside of Susanoo.

Also what's susanoo gonna do if tobi's behind him?, Do a full 360 then Punch him?, Susanoo faces the way the user faces.

 

[TheSages456]

Yeah, The problem is Danzo is on the outside of Susanoo.

Tobi would be on the Inside of Susanoo.

Also what's susanoo gonna do if tobi's behind him?, Do a full 360 then Punch him?, Susanoo faces the way the user faces.

madara doesnt have to be inside susano. he could be just right outside it. this way madara can see tobi if he tries to warp him and then make susano kill him.

 

[Exaar]

madara doesnt have to be inside susano. he could be just right outside it. this way madara can see tobi if he tries to warp him and then make susano kill him.

Tobi has to be right next to him to warp him, Madara risk's getting hit also if he attempts to do this.

If he uses Perfect susanoo to attack tobi when he is attempting to warp him he himself would get caught in the shockwave, while tobi would just turn intangible and wouldn't get hurt at all.
Also Tobi would have hold of him, so merely jumping out of the way when susanoo strikes isn't going to happen.

Unless you're gonna say Susanoo's Speed > Tobi's intangible speed?

 

[TobisPawn]

madara doesnt have to be inside susano. he could be just right outside it. this way madara can see tobi if he tries to warp him and then make susano kill him.

Then Madara dies too, while Tobi just goes intangible.

 

[TheSages456]

Tobi has to be right next to him to warp him, Madara risk's getting hit also if he attempts to do this.

If he uses Perfect susanoo to attack tobi when he is attempting to warp him he himself would get caught in the shockwave, while tobi would just turn intangible and wouldn't get hurt at all.
Also Tobi would have hold of him, so merely jumping out of the way when susanoo strikes isn't going to happen.

Unless you're gonna say Susanoo's Speed > Tobi's intangible speed?

danzo was very close to sasuke and sasuke didnt get hurt when susano striked danzo down. madaras not gonna let tobi get a hold of him. what respectable ninja leaves themselves vulnerable like that?

 

[TobisPawn]

danzo was very close to sasuke and sasuke didnt get hurt when susano striked danzo down. madaras not gonna let tobi get a hold of him. what respectable ninja leaves themselves vulnerable like that?

Because Sasuke was inside Susanoo. You're saying that Madara would be outside Susanoo, so he'd be crushed too. U_U

If Madara is inside, Tobi warps inside and takes him out.

oh god. if madara is on his guard and is constantly watching tobi then he will not get warped. i think if tobi could warp people as easily as you say he could then kakashi and guy would already been defeated. susano would reveal tobis position by destroying the ground then madara could continue wearing down tobis intangibility. if tobi warps so fast then konans paper bombs shouldnt have even been a problem for him.

You're implying that Madara can attack for 5 minutes straight, without a second of an interval for Tobi to refresh his intangibility? Oh dear oh dear.

And Kakashi and Guy are in a 4 on 1, not a 1 on 1 like Madara. They can back each other up.

 

[arv993]

it really depends but if madara can blow tobi away by his susano but only if tobi tries to absorb him b4 madara activates it.

but when he is in susano then he doesnt have much options but if he has amaterasu and uses it at point blank range toobi can be in for some trouble.

genjutsu wise neither one has a great advantage.

i'd like to see more feats of madara in ems like his other abilities used

 

[TheSages456]

Because Sasuke was inside Susanoo. You're saying that Madara would be outside Susanoo, so he'd be crushed too. U_U

nope im pretty sure that sasuke is outside susano here:

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[TobisPawn]

it really depends but if madara can blow tobi away by his susano but only if tobi tries to absorb him b4 madara activates it.

but when he is in susano then he doesnt have much options but if he has amaterasu and uses it at point blank range toobi can be in for some trouble.

genjutsu wise neither one has a great advantage.

i'd like to see more feats of madara in ems like his other abilities used

Tobi already avoided Amaterasu once. If Madara is inside Susanoo, and Tobi appears behind him, Madara can't turn around and activate Amaterasu in that little time frame.

nope im pretty sure that sasuke is outside susano here:

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I'm pretty sure Danzo wasn't grabbing Sasuke from right behind or right beneath him. In that case, Sasuke would've been done too. Yeah, Danzo wasn't even in contact with Sasuke.

 

[arv993]

danzo was very close to sasuke and sasuke didnt get hurt when susano striked danzo down. madaras not gonna let tobi get a hold of him. what respectable ninja leaves themselves vulnerable like that?

he doesnt have to be outside the sussano if he has amaterasu which according to the data book he does the moment he touches tobi inside the sussano he is screwed.

but this fight isnt so simple madara nor tobi wins it easily

 

[Exaar]

danzo was very close to sasuke and sasuke didnt get hurt when susano striked danzo down. madaras not gonna let tobi get a hold of him. what respectable ninja leaves themselves vulnerable like that?

Dazno wasn't that close.

Susanoo's ribs separated Danzo and Sasuke, So of couse he didn't get hurt. It's not like Danzo had a hand on sasuke or anything.

Without info on his S/T tobi is going to grab hold of you at some point, He even Caught minato the first time, Asoon as he touched him, Minato felt the warping effect, He barely escaped it using FTG, So i can't see how Madara is going to React and form a Plan of attack all in just a short space of time.

Even the Kages didn't/couldn't see Tobi save sasuke from dust release.

 

[arv993]

Tobi already avoided Amaterasu once. If Madara is inside Susanoo, and Tobi appears behind him, Madara can't turn around and activate Amaterasu in that little time frame.

yea he can lol one look is all he needs especially when he gets near him madara isnt retarded and would use his fastest move aka amaterasu, its not that simple for tobi.

also tobi does take time to avoid it but at point blank range he would get hit by it and madara has a chance to attack.

 

[TobisPawn]

he doesnt have to be outside the sussano if he has amaterasu which according to the data book he does the moment he touches tobi inside the sussano he is screwed.

but this fight isnt so simple madara nor tobi wins it easily

Madara can't immediately hit him with Amaterasu if Tobi is behind him. -__-