Orochimaru>Edo Madara (right)????
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Konohas Itachi
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Actually, Hashirama can only defeat EMS Madara. But Edo Madara has far more capabilities than when he fought Hashirama. So since Hashirama < Edo Madara then Oro < Edo Madara (going by your logic). The only real arguement would be if Oro tried to seal Edo Madara. The problem with that is the Five Kages could not even seal him up, so good luck with that Oro.
Hype of Tobirama really doesnt add onto the formula here.
Hype of Tobirama really doesnt add onto the formula here.
blazekev90
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Why don't ppl understand that Orochimaru perfected Edo?? Y'all still saying its imperfect, well in fact it is, smh
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He meant the hype about him is nothing big from all that kishi has given us.. Which is a shame. I mean his S/T was kinda touched but not really.. Imperfect Edo.. Great water affinity but nothing Madara level.
First of all, it was not confirmed yet if Madara had the Rinnegan when he fought Hashirama, secondly, Madara got Hashirama's DNA when the fight ended, so he obviously didn't use Mokuton during his fight with the 1st, thirdly, Kabuto stated that he mastered the Edo Tensei and bypassed their previous users whom was Tobirama and Orochimaru, which explains that their previous users wasn't mastering the Jutsu. so Orochimaru didn't completely perfected the Edo Tensei and that explains how Hiruzen was able to defeat all of them.
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*sigh* boy another fail who doesnt understand shit.
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Madara states "can" defeat him which is present tense, NOT "could" past tense. Therefore, this being his current state and even if the 1st couldnt win alone (i dont think he could) he has Edo 2nd Hokage and Orochimaru.
Orochimaru DID perfect Edo, he just didnt/wasnt able to allow them to keep the conscious, which as we seen has its downfalls.
with all three of their abilities, this trio has the ability to be stealth and own anyone (unless plot takes over);
we've seen how Mokuton works in the 1st favor, but this is also a benefit for Oro
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who can hide and use attacks at from any direction (thus appear to place tags or seal), while the 2nd could release water making the setting a swamp. Madara has the power to counter, but still has to worry about the 1st Hokage. It's not like to can perform all his new technqiues at the same time.
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i would expect most to disagree, as this isnt something most would like to accept xd
Doesn't understand shit? Madara stated that if the first Hokage himself was alive, with his full strength then he would be able to stop him, Orochimaru Edo Tensei wasn't perfect, so was his Edo's.. since Kabuto said that he bypassed the Edo Tensei previous users then that means the previous ones didn't perfect it, Orochimaru CAN NOT defeat Edo Madara.. he would drag him from his ass using Bansho Tennin before he even tries to summon anything, or put him in a Genjutsu and we know how weak Orochimaru against Genjutsus, only idiots would think otherwise, he's a weak ass Shinobi against Sharingan users, Itachi/Sasuke kicked his butt, now you think he could do shit against Edo Madara having Rinnegan/1st Hokage DNA? are you crazy or something? smh..
blazekev90
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please read the manga again, Orochimaru did perfect it (stated in the manga) and the only reason their power wasnt displayed fully was because of the power scale difference between part 1 and 2. ALso, you fail twice because Oro isnt weak against genjutsu, he had a 5/5 in genjutsu in the databook dummy ctfu
DONE WITH YOU.
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VisionOfDisorder
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If part 2 power scaling was applied to Oro's edos it would make Orochimaru RETARDEDLY dangerous. but they werent at full power, are sealed anyway now anyway.
but yeah Oro could have potentially solo'ed konoha more severely than Pain did if the 1st and 2nd were as strong as they are supposed to be
but yeah Oro could have potentially solo'ed konoha more severely than Pain did if the 1st and 2nd were as strong as they are supposed to be
It's honestly retarded to believe that
Hashirama is stronger than edo madara
When ems madara had Hashirama on the brink of death
Rinnegan to absorb attacks + moukoton and an edo body
and you still think Hashirama > edo madara?
(Y) Keep believing what you want without applying a shred of common sense
Hashirama is stronger than edo madara
When ems madara had Hashirama on the brink of death
Rinnegan to absorb attacks + moukoton and an edo body
and you still think Hashirama > edo madara?
(Y) Keep believing what you want without applying a shred of common sense
No, it wasn't perfect, unless you show me where it was stated, having a good Genjutsu doesn't mean you're good with breaking it, Itachi was able to put him under his Genjsutu while facing backwards, and cut his hand and showed him how weak ass he is against the Sharingan users, the next time he tried to take over Sasuke with his Genjutsu, Sasuke countered it with his nooby Sharingan, Orochimaru is pretty weak against Sharingan, and failed a lot.. both Itachi and Sasuke told him that anything he does against the Sharingan is useless, now you're telling me that he could win against the most powerful Sharingan user in Naruto? dude, go to bed, I'm done with you too.
blazekev90
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omg why are yall soley focused on the 1st?? Yes, he is key to all this but it isnt a simple re-match. Never did I say the 1st>Edo Madara. Now, what I did state was Madara's acknowledgment of the 1st Hokage still standing a chance against him in his current state. His word>>>>>what ppl assume.
Now, a combo of EDo1st+ EDo 2nd+ORo could very well win