How can you believe Nagato > Hashirama...

[nNoma]

Hashirama is almost a direct counter to madara...he naturally posesses the ability to surpress a tailed beasts chakra and can probably use seals in the same way minato did to separate Kurama from Madaras control. He also possessed moukton which was an insanely powerful kekai genkai...on top of which he is a senju and posesses a vastly larger amount of stamina compared to an madara.

In the case of Nagato he has the stamina to go into a long drawn out fight with hashirama, and he also has the 6 paths all of which are extremely tough to handle. Then of course theres Chibaku tensei..

 

[New knight48]

wtf nagato sucks crap compared to hashirama... even sm naruto wrecked him. and that was like 100 chapters ago lol... itachi can beat nagato

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

wtf nagato sucks crap compared to hashirama... even sm naruto wrecked him. and that was like 100 chapters ago lol... itachi can beat nagato

SM Naruto wrecked Nagato?

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Bullshit.:flaw:

 

[Perp]

No need to write an essay. That's called being bias. The end.

Excellent response, my bias that I pointed out is bias. Proud of you.

Great forum skills, you sure burnt my toast. Oh darn.

 

[meatsworth1]

no matter what happens the nagato fans are always going to side with him they think he can beat madera or even hashirama even though everyone on naruto says madera and hashirama are the strongest next to so6p they act like nothing can touch nagato when 8 tails naruto broke through that almighty push if he was that strong then i think he would be the main enemy but madera was kabutos trump card not nagato cuz madera would thrash nagato and the 1st hokage thrashed madera but still even after i write this the crazy nagato fans will still say no your wrong cuz its nagato were talking about here they probly even think he can beat the sage of six pathes even konohamaru beat one of pains bodies and nagato almost died creating that big ball if earth in the sky and madera created two of those out of nothing and he didnt have blood gushing from his nose almost dieing infact it looked like he never even lost any energy at all

 

[zenkutsu]

Rikudo senin> Uchiha ancestor=Senju ancestor

Rinnegan> wood release=sharingan(any form)

Nagato>Hashirama=Madara

 

[6pathofpain]

I saw many ppl who claimed nagato could defeat hashirama..

HOW?!

omg Hashirama was a beast. nagato couldnt even match the legendary madaa with his EMS. His Susanoo is pure destruction and he said, hashirama is the only one who can stop me.

hashirama uses the mokuton on such a powerful level, he has amazing regeneration power and who know what else. he fought ems madara with his susanoo AND the kyuubi, his power as a fairy tale..

even kabuto said there are no ninjas on hashiramas level anymore, during tobi was alive and was fighting at the war. people seriously have to understand what a beast hashirama was!

:sy: really?

Madara said that but he's never even met someone else with a rinnegun, nagato would probably **** madara up.

Anything suasnoo does is chakra based an will be absorb, so suasnoo wont help him, An Nagato plus his 8 summons will beat the shit outta EMS madara.(EMS madara could only do all those clones cause he was edo with the 1st's cells)

Now edo madara would be a challenge, but then again the wood style my be useless cause it starts with chakra an may be absord jus like J man's oil an fire jutsu that was completely absorb.(not a fact it would do the same to the woodstyle but possible). Madara's only chance is honestly the rinnegun an he wont match nagato with those eyes cause nagato has had them waaaaaaaaay longer an madara only got them shortly before he died. An nagato has also mastered all elements so even without the rinnegun he's no push over an most likely has more stamina.

The 1st only has woodstlye an healing...He cant win.

Now if

 

[6pathofpain]

no matter what happens the nagato fans are always going to side with him they think he can beat madera or even hashirama even though everyone on naruto says madera and hashirama are the strongest next to so6p they act like nothing can touch nagato when 8 tails naruto broke through that almighty push if he was that strong then i think he would be the main enemy but madera was kabutos trump card not nagato cuz madera would thrash nagato and the 1st hokage thrashed madera but still even after i write this the crazy nagato fans will still say no your wrong cuz its nagato were talking about here they probly even think he can beat the sage of six pathes even konohamaru beat one of pains bodies and nagato almost died creating that big ball if earth in the sky and madera created two of those out of nothing and he didnt have blood gushing from his nose almost dieing infact it looked like he never even lost any energy at all

No.

Madara was his trump card because madara had ems, the rinnegun, an was give the 1st cells so he was basically 2 greats in one.

Tobi himself said pain was stronger than him an also said if itachi knew some of the things that he knew that he(tobi) would be dead.

Kabuto also said that itachi was clearly on another level then everyone else(including madara) but i guess your jus gonna ignore that :shrug:

An madara hadnt done have the things that nagato did. The chakra dragon which made him that way in the 1st place, Controling 6 bodies, 8 summons(that were summoned once inthe village an when then again when naruto showed up), Summoning % bodies in the villiage, then out the villiage for the almighty push then back when naruto showed up, battling sage mode, battling 6 tails, then sage mode again. Madara hadnt done half of that smh at least thing about everything before you post :sy: . Not to metion When * tails emerged, then got seal he was disappointed an said " i wanted to test it's power" which means he had no fear an was still very able to fight.

An why cant he beat madara or the first? think about it. Everything madara's suasnoo does is chakra based an will be absorbed, Nagato has 8 summons one of which flies an drops bombs so it will be very difficult for suasnoo to hit him. Another who multiples every time its struck, an 6 other random(kinda useless in this fight) summons. Woodstyle may be absorbed just like J man's oil an Fire jutsu was because the wood comes from chakra jus like J man's attack(this is not a fact but very possible) which would render woodstly useless cause he's only be feeding nagato. He has 9 feilds of vision on the feild so it will be very difficult to be caught of guard. WAAAAAAAAAAYYYY more experience with the rinnegun then madara so nothing madara will or can do will be sucessful. Nagato also Mastered all elements at the age of 10 so even without the rinnegun he's no push over. An madara's cocky aditude will get him ****ed up. An after everything i said there's no reason for me to say why he'll beat the 1st even though i would say he'll win with High difficulty.

An im not a fanboy, i wont say someone will win a fight in naruto unless i actually have a reason.

 

[Stark]

Nagato > Hashirama. In short, mokuton is a ninjutsu and gets countered with deva and petra path. Genjutsu wont work either and tai jutsu is a bad move since Nagato has assura and human path.

Who says ems Madara > Nagato? Gedo Mazo is enough to stop PS and PS is just chakra and can be absorbed.

So preta path absorbs Wood? You just made yourself look so very stupid

 

[Stark]

Nagato could defeat Shodaime if he was healthy and had full mobility. He'd also defeat EMS Madara for that matter.

Ryuu not you too..

 

[6pathofpain]

So preta path absorbs Wood? You just made yourself look so very stupid

Since you on the 1st an madara's side read my 2 post above, im interested to see what you think. An honestly it might absorb wood just like it absorbed J man's oil an fire jutsu. He absorbed all of it( Not a fact but i didnt thing it would absorb oil too so it's possible)

 

[JKakano]

agree about 1st hokage is beast but 1st hokage vs madara, madara wes never use susanoo and rinnegan against 1st hokage so probably madara still think of past. I think edo madara can beat 1st hokage because madara has 1st hokage's dna (that given charka boost and heal faster), rinnegan and perfect susanoo.

 

[Simplified]

Shodaime's main offensive ability is his Mokuton, and like any other ninjutsu this attack is made of chakra, albeit chakra converted into another form. Nagato will be able to absorb this, as displayed when he absorbed Jiraiya's toad oil. Some find it hard to believe that Preta Path can absorb solid objects, but it can if they are formed initially from chakra.

Nagato has plenty of ways to end this match, but none as effective as the removal of Hashirama's soul. This can be done in two ways; firstly, through the use of Gedo Mazo. Nagato will be able to use the Soul Removal Dragon to instantly take Hashirama's soul, as he did against multiple shinobi in his battle against Hanzo. Note, Hanzo was only able to avoid this jutsu by using the body flicker technique.

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So unless Hashirama will be quick enough to escape this jutsu, he can expect to taste defeat. The second way in which Nagato can take Hashirama's soul is by using the Human Path. The Human Path grants the user the ability to remove the soul of any target they touched as well as read their mind. Now, by combining this with Banshou Tenin, Nagato can create a devastating combo. When under the influence of this jutsu, Hashirama will find it almost impossible to counter, as Naruto was completely immobilised when Nagato used it on him. Naruto only managed to escape due to his chakra arm.
Once being drawn in, Nagato can swiftly proceed to draw out Hashirama's soul.

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Nagato's ability to use multiple paths at once also give him a great advantage in this matchup:

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Hashirama's Mokuton clones can be kept away by Shinra Tensei. Remember, this is a shinra Tensei which the Deva Path was able to use in order to easily fling Gamabunta et al hundreds of yards into the mountains. Added to the fact that Naruto claimed all of Nagato's techniques were stronger when he used it in his real body, you'd be a fool to think Mokuton clones or their offensive techniques will get anyway near Nagato.

Nagato's summons will also cause Hashirama a great deal of difficulty. In particular, The Giant Snake-Tailed Chameleon. Now, this summon this creature can blend with its surroundings for camouflage, so perfectly that it renders itself completely invisible to other viewers around. If Hashirama expects to deal with Nagato, how is he going to stay alert of the invisible summon? It's either or. The Chameleon has feats of destroying houses, so it is not absurd to suggest it would be able to destroy any part of the forrest in which it is summoned in. The snake-tail can be used as a prehensile limb, to be able to grab and capture intended targets for Nagato, which also presents another opportunity for him to take Hashirama's soul.

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Hashirama may also have difficulty with dealing with Cereberus whilst trying to focus on Nagato. It can split apart, when struck, into individual dogs that can then merge back together. It also gains additional heads every time it splits in this way; so Hashirama will not be able to try and physically destroy it, and, without knowledge, is unlikely not to fall into this trap.

Bringer of Darkness does little except negate the sight of the opponent. Shinra Tensei would be able to sufficiently counter this, as Nagato uses himself as the center point, and anything which is not him get's hit. Also remember, Bringer of Darkness is a only short - mid range technique, so Hashirama is very likely to be affected by Shinra Tensei if he uses it.

A sick Nagato was able to use a Chibaku Tensei (through the Deva Path whilst being low on Chakra) capable of housing the Eight tails mode Kyuubi. Logically, a healthy Nagato would be able to create a stronger and bigger variation of this jutsu, one which Hashirama would very much struggle to escape. Mini mountain sized rocks > Wood, so I find it a stretch to say Mokuton will be able to break out of it.

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It took the best part of a Bijuu Dama, Rasen-Shuriken and Yasaka Magatama to destroy the core. It also took Itachi's genius to work out how to destroy it during the initial start up phase. I find it unlikely that Hashirama will have the speed of thought required in order to halt such a jutsu.

Hashirama's power may've been called a myth like the So6P, but let's remember, Nagato was actually called the Second Sage of 6 Paths, so it's not like Hashirama's hype completely overshadows Nagato's.

Anyone who says Hashi stomps should refer to this.

 

[Vexorian]

Hashirama covers the whole landscape with huge tendrils and his flowers, changing the battlefiled to his big advantage. His Shinra Tensei won't even be enough to blow it away. I mean, take a look how huge this forest actually is, the diameter of one tendril is considerably bigger than a human, Hashirama can create it at any time and use his flowers in order to paralyze Nagato. He can create such forests any time, Nagatos Shinra Tensei can never blow away something like this and even if, such a Shinra Tensei includes a huge interval, making Deva Path useless. Hashirama can regenerate himself from anything, his healing powers are on the same level as Tsunades with their seal. He can use 30 Mokuton Klones in order to fight Nagato and we know, that Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins are a lot of better than normal ones. So 30 Hashiramas vs. 1 Nagato? Hashirama takes this.

This is just speculation, but through the paths he doesn't register pain, do we know if he would register any of his other senses other than auditory and visual? As to the Nagato fanboys, there haven't been any yet. Just Hashirama fanboys.

 

[sageovsixpaths]

we all know this so why make the post

 

[Unsatisfied Sin]

I beleive Nagato could beat Hashi, but it would a close match. Both are beasts and are on completely different scales than anyone else, but shinra tensei is just to strong and would be affective against Hashi's wood style. Of course without knowing the extent and power of Hashi and Nagato at full power we cannot make a informed hypothesis.

 

[JakeLife510]

Shodaime's main offensive ability is his Mokuton, and like any other ninjutsu this attack is made of chakra, albeit chakra converted into another form. Nagato will be able to absorb this, as displayed when he absorbed Jiraiya's toad oil. Some find it hard to believe that Preta Path can absorb solid objects, but it can if they are formed initially from chakra.

Nagato has plenty of ways to end this match, but none as effective as the removal of Hashirama's soul. This can be done in two ways; firstly, through the use of Gedo Mazo. Nagato will be able to use the Soul Removal Dragon to instantly take Hashirama's soul, as he did against multiple shinobi in his battle against Hanzo. Note, Hanzo was only able to avoid this jutsu by using the body flicker technique.

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So unless Hashirama will be quick enough to escape this jutsu, he can expect to taste defeat. The second way in which Nagato can take Hashirama's soul is by using the Human Path. The Human Path grants the user the ability to remove the soul of any target they touched as well as read their mind. Now, by combining this with Banshou Tenin, Nagato can create a devastating combo. When under the influence of this jutsu, Hashirama will find it almost impossible to counter, as Naruto was completely immobilised when Nagato used it on him. Naruto only managed to escape due to his chakra arm.
Once being drawn in, Nagato can swiftly proceed to draw out Hashirama's soul.

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Nagato's ability to use multiple paths at once also give him a great advantage in this matchup:

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Hashirama's Mokuton clones can be kept away by Shinra Tensei. Remember, this is a shinra Tensei which the Deva Path was able to use in order to easily fling Gamabunta et al hundreds of yards into the mountains. Added to the fact that Naruto claimed all of Nagato's techniques were stronger when he used it in his real body, you'd be a fool to think Mokuton clones or their offensive techniques will get anyway near Nagato.

Nagato's summons will also cause Hashirama a great deal of difficulty. In particular, The Giant Snake-Tailed Chameleon. Now, this summon this creature can blend with its surroundings for camouflage, so perfectly that it renders itself completely invisible to other viewers around. If Hashirama expects to deal with Nagato, how is he going to stay alert of the invisible summon? It's either or. The Chameleon has feats of destroying houses, so it is not absurd to suggest it would be able to destroy any part of the forrest in which it is summoned in. The snake-tail can be used as a prehensile limb, to be able to grab and capture intended targets for Nagato, which also presents another opportunity for him to take Hashirama's soul.

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Hashirama may also have difficulty with dealing with Cereberus whilst trying to focus on Nagato. It can split apart, when struck, into individual dogs that can then merge back together. It also gains additional heads every time it splits in this way; so Hashirama will not be able to try and physically destroy it, and, without knowledge, is unlikely not to fall into this trap.

Bringer of Darkness does little except negate the sight of the opponent. Shinra Tensei would be able to sufficiently counter this, as Nagato uses himself as the center point, and anything which is not him get's hit. Also remember, Bringer of Darkness is a only short - mid range technique, so Hashirama is very likely to be affected by Shinra Tensei if he uses it.

A sick Nagato was able to use a Chibaku Tensei (through the Deva Path whilst being low on Chakra) capable of housing the Eight tails mode Kyuubi. Logically, a healthy Nagato would be able to create a stronger and bigger variation of this jutsu, one which Hashirama would very much struggle to escape. Mini mountain sized rocks > Wood, so I find it a stretch to say Mokuton will be able to break out of it.

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It took the best part of a Bijuu Dama, Rasen-Shuriken and Yasaka Magatama to destroy the core. It also took Itachi's genius to work out how to destroy it during the initial start up phase. I find it unlikely that Hashirama will have the speed of thought required in order to halt such a jutsu.

Hashirama's power may've been called a myth like the So6P, but let's remember, Nagato was actually called the Second Sage of 6 Paths, so it's not like Hashirama's hype completely overshadows Nagato's.

Good Game.

 

[JakeLife510]

So preta path absorbs Wood? You just made yourself look so very stupid

Preta Path absorbed J-Mans chakra based oil.

Why can't he absorb Hashirama's chakra based Mokuton?

 

[The Drunken kage]

Nagato > Hashirama. In short, mokuton is a ninjutsu and gets countered with deva and petra path. Genjutsu wont work either and tai jutsu is a bad move since Nagato has assura and human path.

Who says ems Madara > Nagato? Gedo Mazo is enough to stop PS and PS is just chakra and can be absorbed.

This^^

 

[The Drunken kage]

Shodaime's main offensive ability is his Mokuton, and like any other ninjutsu this attack is made of chakra, albeit chakra converted into another form. Nagato will be able to absorb this, as displayed when he absorbed Jiraiya's toad oil. Some find it hard to believe that Preta Path can absorb solid objects, but it can if they are formed initially from chakra.

Nagato has plenty of ways to end this match, but none as effective as the removal of Hashirama's soul. This can be done in two ways; firstly, through the use of Gedo Mazo. Nagato will be able to use the Soul Removal Dragon to instantly take Hashirama's soul, as he did against multiple shinobi in his battle against Hanzo. Note, Hanzo was only able to avoid this jutsu by using the body flicker technique.

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So unless Hashirama will be quick enough to escape this jutsu, he can expect to taste defeat. The second way in which Nagato can take Hashirama's soul is by using the Human Path. The Human Path grants the user the ability to remove the soul of any target they touched as well as read their mind. Now, by combining this with Banshou Tenin, Nagato can create a devastating combo. When under the influence of this jutsu, Hashirama will find it almost impossible to counter, as Naruto was completely immobilised when Nagato used it on him. Naruto only managed to escape due to his chakra arm.
Once being drawn in, Nagato can swiftly proceed to draw out Hashirama's soul.

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Nagato's ability to use multiple paths at once also give him a great advantage in this matchup:

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Hashirama's Mokuton clones can be kept away by Shinra Tensei. Remember, this is a shinra Tensei which the Deva Path was able to use in order to easily fling Gamabunta et al hundreds of yards into the mountains. Added to the fact that Naruto claimed all of Nagato's techniques were stronger when he used it in his real body, you'd be a fool to think Mokuton clones or their offensive techniques will get anyway near Nagato.

Nagato's summons will also cause Hashirama a great deal of difficulty. In particular, The Giant Snake-Tailed Chameleon. Now, this summon this creature can blend with its surroundings for camouflage, so perfectly that it renders itself completely invisible to other viewers around. If Hashirama expects to deal with Nagato, how is he going to stay alert of the invisible summon? It's either or. The Chameleon has feats of destroying houses, so it is not absurd to suggest it would be able to destroy any part of the forrest in which it is summoned in. The snake-tail can be used as a prehensile limb, to be able to grab and capture intended targets for Nagato, which also presents another opportunity for him to take Hashirama's soul.

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Hashirama may also have difficulty with dealing with Cereberus whilst trying to focus on Nagato. It can split apart, when struck, into individual dogs that can then merge back together. It also gains additional heads every time it splits in this way; so Hashirama will not be able to try and physically destroy it, and, without knowledge, is unlikely not to fall into this trap.

Bringer of Darkness does little except negate the sight of the opponent. Shinra Tensei would be able to sufficiently counter this, as Nagato uses himself as the center point, and anything which is not him get's hit. Also remember, Bringer of Darkness is a only short - mid range technique, so Hashirama is very likely to be affected by Shinra Tensei if he uses it.

A sick Nagato was able to use a Chibaku Tensei (through the Deva Path whilst being low on Chakra) capable of housing the Eight tails mode Kyuubi. Logically, a healthy Nagato would be able to create a stronger and bigger variation of this jutsu, one which Hashirama would very much struggle to escape. Mini mountain sized rocks > Wood, so I find it a stretch to say Mokuton will be able to break out of it.

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It took the best part of a Bijuu Dama, Rasen-Shuriken and Yasaka Magatama to destroy the core. It also took Itachi's genius to work out how to destroy it during the initial start up phase. I find it unlikely that Hashirama will have the speed of thought required in order to halt such a jutsu.

Hashirama's power may've been called a myth like the So6P, but let's remember, Nagato was actually called the Second Sage of 6 Paths, so it's not like Hashirama's hype completely overshadows Nagato's.

Again, This! ^^