Hashi fans/supporters don't get it twisted
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Well they are 5 kages and Madara has been toying with them the whole match.
If I must.....
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Perfect susano playing? I think he just hasn't mastered the rinnegan as well as nagato, well to be honest he unlocked it right before he died. So I don't think he is playing but he would certainly be more careful.
But when you think about it if he wasn't edo no meteors because he can't kill him self. It is all to complicated to say that if he wasn't edo he would not have been killed by the kages.
But when you think about it if he wasn't edo no meteors because he can't kill him self. It is all to complicated to say that if he wasn't edo he would not have been killed by the kages.
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regarding madara and hashi
madara said that he is the one to stop him
it might be too things
1. he thinks that hashi can stop him
2. he has lots of respect and he loves hashi from the core of his heart
and now hiru and hashi fanboys have some ice cream
here :ice::ice::ice::ice::ice::ice::ice::ice::ice: *nom nom nom*
My estimation:
Hashi > EMS Madara + Kurama
So, Hashi >> EMS Madara
Also, Edo Hashi >> Edo EMS Madara
Also Edo Hashi + Implanted Sharingan > Edo Madara + Grafted Hashi cells
So in all fair battles Hashi is still stronger.
ALSO, To people who thinks Hizu>>>Hashi:
Dont thay actually mean: Hizu >= Hashi+EMS Madara+Tobirama /rolleyes
Hashi > EMS Madara + Kurama
So, Hashi >> EMS Madara
Also, Edo Hashi >> Edo EMS Madara
Also Edo Hashi + Implanted Sharingan > Edo Madara + Grafted Hashi cells
So in all fair battles Hashi is still stronger.
ALSO, To people who thinks Hizu>>>Hashi:
Dont thay actually mean: Hizu >= Hashi+EMS Madara+Tobirama /rolleyes
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Yh I actually agree in all fair fights I believe hashi is better. But one thing I don't agree on is tobirama. Hashi and madara are the chosen ones by faith of their generations so that means they will be close to the sage in power then anyone else in their generation. Just like naruto and sasuke will be in theirs.
But I actually don't think tobirama was on the same mini god like scale as hashi and madara I Believe he was close but I think he and hiruzen his student were near the same power. Maybe even hiruzen surpassed his master like many students do theirs.
People just need to realise hashi and madara gods of their time chosen ones by faith. They will be stronger then all. Apart from this generations chosen by faith people naruto and sasuke. Chosen by faith people are on a completely different scale then anyone in their generations.
Good read ^^
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Dear fellow, we have no idea what Hashirama was capable of, thereby we cannot compare him to Edo Madara or Hiruzen.
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Didn't read, but Madara has already said that Hashirama's scale of attacks are greater than the 5 Kages. And given that Madara's final attack (Ultimate Susanoo) is something that Hashirama most likely already defeated before...
Also Hiruzen > Hashirama
Why people think Stabilized susano'o requires Rinnegan is beyond me.
Has anyone considered it could be because of EMS?
MS has shown a perfect susano'o in itachi and sasuke, neither which had EMS at them time. We saw Sasuke have EMS but has done nothing with it except the Ameterasu orb.
Also Madara didn't start with a stabilized susano'o.
P.S Since the rinnegan is the next step from EMS why didn't nagato use Susano'o at all?
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Has anyone considered it could be because of EMS?
MS has shown a perfect susano'o in itachi and sasuke, neither which had EMS at them time. We saw Sasuke have EMS but has done nothing with it except the Ameterasu orb.
Also Madara didn't start with a stabilized susano'o.
P.S Since the rinnegan is the next step from EMS why didn't nagato use Susano'o at all?
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Just so much lol in one thread.
- We don't know much about Hashi
- Why are we bringing Nagato + Hiruzen into this?
- We don't know when Madara got Rinnegan (Why was that posted in here?)
- Put it this way: Hashi looked quite beat up after his fight with Madara, and he also had his wife for help, which was no pushover.
so obvi Edo madara > Hashi based on facts we have at the moment, this might change in the future.
Btw i wasn't just referring to the OP, but also some of the responses to it.
- We don't know much about Hashi
- Why are we bringing Nagato + Hiruzen into this?
- We don't know when Madara got Rinnegan (Why was that posted in here?)
- Put it this way: Hashi looked quite beat up after his fight with Madara, and he also had his wife for help, which was no pushover.
so obvi Edo madara > Hashi based on facts we have at the moment, this might change in the future.
Btw i wasn't just referring to the OP, but also some of the responses to it.
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Yet you deny the evidence from the manga? Harishima beat Madara many times, especially in the matches that mattered most. He beat him for title of Hokage, and later again when Madara used Kurama (Because he knew he was too weak to handle god Harishima.).
The fact that Harishima beat Madara's Perfect Susanoo (Which is his trump card, above his use of Wood Release, the meteors, AND the Rinnegan) means he could handle such high level moves. Do you also forget that Madara himself said that Harishima and he were both strong enough to rewrite entire maps? This obviously means that Harishima's Wood Released was even stronger than Madara's, to be able to counter Perfect Susanoo and re-write maps.
Just because Maddie has Harishima's face on his nipple does not mean he has all of his power. Danzo had all those Sharingan AND Harishima's DNA and he lost to a relatively weak Sasuke. Having a portion of Harishima's DNA does not equate to having his BODY, which would have higher chakra reservoirs for more high-powered Wood Clones that an HEAL THEMSELVES.
Harishima is not even in my top ten, but you need to stop being a fanboy. Will you also ignore this? "He and his clan, the Senju were respected by every other Shinobi clan as being the best."
Kabuto, despite how much he praises Madara's power also calls Harishima the strongest Shinobi.
The fact that Harishima beat Madara's Perfect Susanoo (Which is his trump card, above his use of Wood Release, the meteors, AND the Rinnegan) means he could handle such high level moves. Do you also forget that Madara himself said that Harishima and he were both strong enough to rewrite entire maps? This obviously means that Harishima's Wood Released was even stronger than Madara's, to be able to counter Perfect Susanoo and re-write maps.
Just because Maddie has Harishima's face on his nipple does not mean he has all of his power. Danzo had all those Sharingan AND Harishima's DNA and he lost to a relatively weak Sasuke. Having a portion of Harishima's DNA does not equate to having his BODY, which would have higher chakra reservoirs for more high-powered Wood Clones that an HEAL THEMSELVES.
Harishima is not even in my top ten, but you need to stop being a fanboy. Will you also ignore this? "He and his clan, the Senju were respected by every other Shinobi clan as being the best."
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Kabuto, despite how much he praises Madara's power also calls Harishima the strongest Shinobi.
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How am i denying evidence? Your the one in denial. Madara has hashi powers don't be ignorant. Thats the reason he has Hashi's face on his chest and he uses mokoton on the same scale Hashi does. Tsunade confirms this even more.
Meteorite technique, Preta Path and Mokoton are techniques he didn't have during the Hashi fight. He would stomp him now.
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"People called Hashirama the strongest shinobi". Meaning he was the strongest of his time. Much time has passed.
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When has it been confirmed that young Tsunade witnessed Harishima fighting at full power, and how would she even survive that if Harishima, like Madara has the power to rewrite and entire map?
How can you assume Madara's display of Wood Release is equivalent to Harishima's best, when we have not seen the extent of the Hokage's power? How does a portion of Harishima's DNA (Face on a nipple) equate to having Harishima's BODY? Obviously you cannot attain Harishima's entire chakra with just his face. Madara merely has better control of Wood Release than Yamato did, but obviously he can't match the original.
It's sorta like how Danzo's Izanagi was incomplete, and apparently the Uchiha were able to use it numerous times as hinted in the Izanami chapter. Madara can't match Harishima's life signature without having a Senju body.
Need more proof? "There aren't ninja on the same level of the First Hokage, Senju Harishima ANYMORE." and "The people that heard about his strength consider him a fairy tale just like the SAGE." Kabuto speaks of Harishima as above Madara, even right now that he has Madara as a summon after he already displayed the comets, Wood Release, and Rinnegan. Harishima is Sage level, and Madara is not. Even Kabuto, after seeing Madara's power called himself closer to the Sage than Madara. Prove me wrong with evidence, please.
How can you assume Madara's display of Wood Release is equivalent to Harishima's best, when we have not seen the extent of the Hokage's power? How does a portion of Harishima's DNA (Face on a nipple) equate to having Harishima's BODY? Obviously you cannot attain Harishima's entire chakra with just his face. Madara merely has better control of Wood Release than Yamato did, but obviously he can't match the original.
It's sorta like how Danzo's Izanagi was incomplete, and apparently the Uchiha were able to use it numerous times as hinted in the Izanami chapter. Madara can't match Harishima's life signature without having a Senju body.
Need more proof? "There aren't ninja on the same level of the First Hokage, Senju Harishima ANYMORE." and "The people that heard about his strength consider him a fairy tale just like the SAGE." Kabuto speaks of Harishima as above Madara, even right now that he has Madara as a summon after he already displayed the comets, Wood Release, and Rinnegan. Harishima is Sage level, and Madara is not. Even Kabuto, after seeing Madara's power called himself closer to the Sage than Madara. Prove me wrong with evidence, please.
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He doesn't have just a portion. I don't know why you think a whole face on your chest is a portion to dna.
And :rofl: This a poor excuse. How do you know she didnt see Hashirama in action. She did see him use the technique below. You see it works both ways. Tsunade confirms that this is the same technique her grandfather used.
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Madara has the same powers Hashirama had. He even used his Mokoton clones.
You have the nerve to call me out when all you're doing is assuming Madaras mokoton is not on the same level as Hashiramas. When the manga proves otherwise.
At this all he is doing is praising Hashirama not comparing him to Edo MAdara. Edo Madara is the combination of both of them. The key word in this hype"There aren't ninja on the same level of the First Hokage, Senju Harishima anymore.... Meaning there are people who were dead on his level. Meaning people like Nagato, Itachi and Hiruzen.Orochimagus;6968582 Need more proof? "There aren't ninja on the same level of the First Hokage said:
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Obviously it is the same technique her grandfather used. Everyone ELSE would make the connection that Madara is using Wood Release, the same technique Harishima used. Remember this is the first time she has seen someone besides Yamato using Wood Release. She isn't even aware of Danzo's arm. Tsunade didn't say that Madara's Wood Release is at the same level as Harishima's.
And you seem to not be getting the point...Someone's FACE is not as strong as their entire BODY. Obviously a face is a PORTION of a BODY, and thus, not the entire potential. A whole body would house a much bigger amount of Harishima's godly chakra. Remember Danzo had Harishima's face on his arm too? It seems any portion of Harishima's DNA spreads and morphs into a face, similar to Orochimaru (Senju?). Rather than use silly smileys, you should provide evidence like I do or else your points look weak.
Madara being able to create Wood Clones does not mean anything. Again, Harishima, as the real user with an ENTIRE Senju body would be able to use many more clones. Now you're proving yourself wrong with the "anymore" comment. Madara is in the battlefield, resurrected, and Kabuto still says there are no ninja like Harishima "anymore", so that means Madara is not at his level.
And you seem to not be getting the point...Someone's FACE is not as strong as their entire BODY. Obviously a face is a PORTION of a BODY, and thus, not the entire potential. A whole body would house a much bigger amount of Harishima's godly chakra. Remember Danzo had Harishima's face on his arm too? It seems any portion of Harishima's DNA spreads and morphs into a face, similar to Orochimaru (Senju?). Rather than use silly smileys, you should provide evidence like I do or else your points look weak.
Madara being able to create Wood Clones does not mean anything. Again, Harishima, as the real user with an ENTIRE Senju body would be able to use many more clones. Now you're proving yourself wrong with the "anymore" comment. Madara is in the battlefield, resurrected, and Kabuto still says there are no ninja like Harishima "anymore", so that means Madara is not at his level.
Madara isn't on Hashiramas level? :sy: yeah ok. Danzo couldn't even use mokoton so your arugument is invalid.
Tsunade obviously saw her grandfathers technique if she is commenting on it. You're just refuting manga facts for your silly assumptions.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree because it's not sinking in I'm the only giving facts and you're the one making assumptions.
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