1st hokage vs 2nd hokage

[choft]

Clearly older and more admired just because he was picked doesnt mean he was the best everyone sees madara as the better fighter now that we have seen susanno perfect it was probably some will of the fore bullshit not skill that helped him win and got him elected look at the matchup and tell me if you can honestly say that he is a better matchup than the 2nd and all that jus because i didnt see it argument desnt really wrk you never seen the so6p and i bet you would hail him as the strongest in the naruto universe

So, let me get this straight. If I had an older brother and he is really stupid, and I'm a lot smarter than him. You would pick my older brother to be the president?

You don't become the Hokage because you're older, it's because you're stronger. If you're the Hokage, you're the best, and Madara was beaten by Hashirama, so he clearly was better than Madara.

As for the rest of your post, could you rephrase that again? I'm sorry, I don't really understand what you're saying. ;/

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I don't think the 2nd was that god like and by that I mean on madara and hashi's stage of landscape changing abilities. You know all that student surpassing master stuff will I think maybe hiruzen was his level or even surpassed him. 1st and madara are the chosen ones by faith of their generation so they would have god like abilities and small fragment of the sage. Just like how naruto and sasuke are the chosen ones of this generation and will soon develop god like powers (fragment of the sage)

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Im saying that you dont have to be the best to be president i bet a dumbjock would get promking over you becaused he is admired more by his peers but you could get a scholarship to harvard so who is better? Also saying that youve never seen it doesnt hold up because youve never seen the so6p in action but i bet you would say he is the strongest character

Lol, how many times am I going to say this? You have never seen Tobirama's S/T in action. For all we know, it could require a lot of prep time to use it. We've only seen Minato and Tobi's S/T tech. Yes, both are OP but just because two people's techniques are OP it doesn't mean that everybody else's technique is OP.

Orochimaru using edo is not the same as Kabuto using edo. Kabuto could control way more edos than Orochimaru can. Orochimaru only controlled like two and he hardly used them to their true potential. Tobirama's edo technique is even worst, and who exactly would Tobirama use as an edo?

And I don't know why you don't think 1st > 2nd. Nothing in the manga suggests that Tobirama is greater than Hashirama.

Answer me this: If Tobirama is greater than Hashirama then:

1. Why was Hashirama chosen as Hokage
2. Why did people say Hashirama was the strongest of his era
3. Why does Madara only talk about Hashirama

At least with Hirzuen, people can argue against that because it says in the databook and manga that he is the strongest Hokage. But with Tobirama, you have zero evidence to suggest that Tobirama > Hashirama.

Also, your great Tobirama lost to the Gold and Silver brothers.

The 9 tails would lose to Hashirama. He already beat Madara and 9 tails on his own.

Sorry but the dinosaur comparison is wrong. We already know that Minato invented FTG. Since he invented it, how does Tobirama do FTG? Fact is, we don't know what kind of S/T ninjutsu Tobirama does.

We do know Hashirama was made Hokage over Tobirama. Can you tell me why Hashirama was made Hokage over Tobirama, and this time, don't avoid the question.

So, let me get this straight. If I had an older brother and he is really stupid, and I'm a lot smarter than him. You would pick my older brother to be the president?

You don't become the Hokage because you're older, it's because you're stronger. If you're the Hokage, you're the best, and Madara was beaten by Hashirama, so he clearly was better than Madara.

As for the rest of your post, could you rephrase that again? I'm sorry, I don't really understand what you're saying. ;/

If Tobirama was greater than Hashirama, then why does no one say that Tobirama was the strongest of his time?

And that argument is flawed because we can bring up the first vs third argument and start a flame war

 

[choft]

Im saying that you dont have to be the best to be president i bet a dumbjock would get promking over you becaused he is admired more by his peers but you could get a scholarship to harvard so who is better? Also saying that youve never seen it doesnt hold up because youve never seen the so6p in action but i bet you would say he is the strongest character

Are you really comparing Promking to Hokage?

One is about popularity, the other is about leading a village. If you want compare Hokage to something, compare it to a President or a leader of a clan.

I've never seen the So6P in action, but at least we know a rough idea about what he can do. For example, he can create the Moon, he was the Jinchiruki of the Nine tails. I've not seen anything in the manga which describes how Tobirama's S/T ninjutsu works. If you can find something, show me. Until then, you can't assume anything about how good his S/T ninjutsu works.

And that argument is flawed because we can bring up the first vs third argument and start a flame war

No, it's not flawed. Read this part again concerning the first and third debate:

At least with Hirzuen, people can argue against that because it says in the databook and manga that he is the strongest Hokage. But with Tobirama, you have zero evidence to suggest that Tobirama > Hashirama.

Think about it, why does no one ever have debates with the 1st Hokage and the 2nd Hokage in this forum?

 

[Cerox0]

If Tobirama was greater than Hashirama, then why does no one say that Tobirama was the strongest of his time?

Because his time refers to his run as Hokage. While he was Hokage hashirama was dead. even if Hashia was stronger then Tobirama it would not matter in Tobirama's time because a dead person is no threat.

 

[choft]

Because his time refers to his run as Hokage. While he was Hokage hashirama was dead. even if Hashia was stronger then Tobirama it would not matter in Tobirama's time because a dead person is no threat.

But why did no one talk about Tobirama being the strongest of his time.

 

[Cerox0]

But why did no one talk about Tobirama being the strongest of his time.

Why did kishi not say Hashirama was the strongest in his time till like 2 months ago?

13 years of naruto is when Kishi finally gives Hashirama hype.

Your argument is invalid.

 

[TiddlySkydiver]

I like Tobirama, but there is no argument. 1st>2nd

 

[choft]

Why did kishi not say Hashirama was the strongest in his time till like 2 months ago?

13 years of naruto is when Kishi finally gives Hashirama hype.

Your argument is invalid.

So, you think that in the future, someone is going to say Tobirama is the strongest of his time? Also, who do you think would win in a fight. Hashirama or Tobirama. You never said. I'm guessing you think Tobirama.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

But why did no one talk about Tobirama being the strongest of his time.

His prime was after hashis death and the promking thing was just a reference why cant you admit the fact that the 2nd was op and in his prime probably couldve beat the first

 

[choft]

His prime was after hashis death and the promking thing was just a reference why cant you admit the fact that the 2nd was op and in his prime probably couldve beat the first

Because nothing in the manga says that the 1st is weaker than the 2nd. The 1st's power has been compared to the SO6P by Kabuto. I never saw him say anything about Tobirama. Also, I've never seen anyone in the forum say the 2nd > 1st. Apart from today.

Why do you think no one ever have debates between the 1st and 2nd Hokage?

 

[TiddlySkydiver]

His prime was after hashis death and the promking thing was just a reference why cant you admit the fact that the 2nd was op and in his prime probably couldve beat the first

You have no argument, all you are doing is speculating, you have no proof from the manga.

 

[Cerox0]

So, you think that in the future, someone is going to say Tobirama is the strongest of his time? Also, who do you think would win in a fight. Hashirama or Tobirama. You never said. I'm guessing you think Tobirama.

Maybe, I mean kishi first hyped up hiruzen, then minato, and now hashirama.

He even tried a little by saying how Tobirama went out like a beast against the 20 Man Kinkaku squad, + gave him S/T Ninjutsu, Edo Tensei (imperfect) and as we've seen he can do suiton with 1 seal. Plus in the anime he used B.O.D and since he is both a senju and hashirama's brother, it's not farfetched he could use it too. (Just a theory).

We don't know much about tobi but it's hard to say, but since naruto is a counter system maybe hashi can't do anything against S/T.

The only reason hashi beat madara was because wood style was perfect for suppressing kurama, and as a senju he was equal with the uchiha.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

The 2nd hokage got trolled the only peoplethe whole base talks about is hashi madara itachi or the third but there are alot of plotholes in the manga and alot of characters getting trolled but all im saying is that the 2nd abilities that have been talked about are op plus just because you hears that stuff about the so6p doesnt mean he did it efficiently making the moon couldve took weeks you didnt see it did you

 

[choft]

Maybe, I mean kishi first hyped up hiruzen, then minato, and now hashirama.

He even tried a little by saying how Tobirama went out like a beast against the 20 Man Kinkaku squad, + gave him S/T Ninjutsu, Edo Tensei (imperfect) and as we've seen he can do suiton with 1 seal. Plus in the anime he used B.O.D and since he is both a senju and hashirama's brother, it's not farfetched he could use it too. (Just a theory).

We don't know much about tobi but it's hard to say, but since naruto is a counter system maybe hashi can't do anything against S/T.

The only reason hashi beat madara was because wood style was perfect for suppressing kurama, and as a senju he was equal with the uchiha.

Maybe, but seeing how the manga is progressing, it looks like we're reaching the end point of Naruto. I mean, what else are they going to do after the war? Personally, I don't think Tobirama is going to get hyped up.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Maybe, I mean kishi first hyped up hiruzen, then minato, and now hashirama.

He even tried a little by saying how Tobirama went out like a beast against the 20 Man Kinkaku squad, + gave him S/T Ninjutsu, Edo Tensei (imperfect) and as we've seen he can do suiton with 1 seal. Plus in the anime he used B.O.D and since he is both a senju and hashirama's brother, it's not farfetched he could use it too. (Just a theory).

We don't know much about tobi but it's hard to say, but since naruto is a counter system maybe hashi can't do anything against S/T.

The only reason hashi beat madara was because wood style was perfect for suppressing kurama, and as a senju he was equal with the uchiha.

Thank you the 1st was a bad matchuo for madara because of his sealing abilities and as we all know a>b>c doesnt wrk in naruto

 

[choft]

The 2nd hokage got trolled the only peoplethe whole base talks about is hashi madara itachi or the third but there are alot of plotholes in the manga and alot of characters getting trolled but all im saying is that the 2nd abilities that have been talked about are op plus just because you hears that stuff about the so6p doesnt mean he did it efficiently making the moon couldve took weeks you didnt see it did you

We have in a way, Nagato compared it to Chibaku Tensei:

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I don't think it would have taken weeks, it would have worked the same way Nagato does Chibaku Tensei, just with more power.

Basing on the manga, and the general opinion of this forum. I don't see anything suggesting 2nd > 1st.

 

[Cerox0]

Maybe, but seeing how the manga is progressing, it looks like we're reaching the end point of Naruto. I mean, what else are they going to do after the war? Personally, I don't think Tobirama is going to get hyped up.

There's still the naruto vs Sasuke fight, it's possible to be the next arc after the war.

I mean so far naruto has used 13 km clones to turn the shift of the war, has had 3 rounds with tobi, and last we saw he was completely exhausted while tobi was not scratched.

So to have the nauto vs sasuke fight right after tobi is defeated (if he is defeated) is unlikely.

A lot of people thought that naruto defeating Pain was going to be the end, with sasuke attacking Konoha and it was delayed.

Thank you the 1st was a bad matchuo for madara because of his sealing abilities and as we all know a>b>c doesnt wrk in naruto

Yep, but that's just my opinion for we don't know what really happened in the fight.

After seeing that Stabilized perfect susano'o I refuse to believe hashirama was able to defeat that AND kurama? gtfo.

 

[choft]

There's still the naruto vs Sasuke fight, it's possible to be the next arc after the war.

I mean so far naruto has used 13 km clones to turn the shift of the war, has had 3 rounds with tobi, and last we saw he was completely exhausted while tobi was not scratched.

So to have the nauto vs sasuke fight right after tobi is defeated (if he is defeated) is unlikely.

A lot of people thought that naruto defeating Pain was going to be the end, with sasuke attacking Konoha and it was delayed.

How will this be connected with hyping up Tobirama though?

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

We have in a way, Nagato compared it to Chibaku Tensei:

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I don't think it would have taken weeks, it would have worked the same way Nagato does Chibaku Tensei, just with more power.

Basing on the manga, and the general opinion of this forum. I don't see anything suggesting 2nd > 1st.

U dont know that it didnt he jus compared it to his but said it was betrer something similar to what minato did with tobirama he jus simply said that he contained a tech if it wsnt worth mentioning kishi wouldnt have done so