Is shisui>hashirama?

[ANBU Kakashi23]

I think it is, because of what Itachi said in Seraphiel's post.

he was referring to shisui's disembodied eyes, why would shisui need senju dna to use his technique more frequently than every 10 years, that makes no sense

 

[choft]

LOL I don't call them gods. And I know he has special skills, but why would people want to downgrade him by saying that he can get defeated by a mere genjutsu...

Because it's not a mere genjutsu. It's the strongest genjutsu we know. It's strong enough that Kishi nerfed its opness by having a cooldown of 10 years. It's strong enough to break Itachi out of Kabuto's edo tensei control. It's not just some mere genjutsu.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Cant itachi just point a finger at you and put you in a genjutsu ...EVERY single jutsu in naruto has a weakness...some are kept hidden most weakness have been shown just wait for a way to disable KA ...though everyone who can use it died?

 

[Seraphiel]

he was referring to shisui's disembodied eyes, why would shisui need senju dna to use his technique more frequently than every 10 years, that makes no sense

That would be its weakness. Making Kotoamatsukai spammable makes no sense.

Because it's not a mere genjutsu. It's the strongest genjutsu we know. It's strong enough that Kishi nerfed its opness by having a cooldown of 10 years. It's strong enough to break Itachi out of Kabuto's edo tensei control. It's not just some mere genjutsu.

Those 10 years are the genjutsu's weakness. As Itachi said: Every jutsu has its weakness.

 

[choft]

That would be its weakness. Making Kotoamatsukai spammable makes no sense.



Those 10 years are the genjutsu's weakness. As Itachi said: Every jutsu has its weakness.

Yes, but we are assuming that Shisui has KA available in this case. In fact, it's the very fact that it can only be used once every 10 years that makes me believe that it can defeat Hashirama.

 

[Blast41]

Everyone keeps saying KA will beat Hashi, but they keep forgetting that Madara was the only one known to be able to see through Hashi's Mokuton Clones, which Shisui could easily mistake for the real one and KA it.

 

[Gingka Uzumaki]

It is easy to find a way around a technique that requires eye contact. Ka does not require that.

All of Madara's eye techs > KA.

It's bad to overpower the Eye techs, but it's true.

 

[Untitled]

That would be its weakness. Making Kotoamatsukai spammable makes no sense.

It wouldnt be spammable,since shisui didnt have EMS

 

[narutownsyouall]

Hashirama owns shisui.

 

[Helikido]

LOL I don't call them gods. And I know he has special skills, but why would people want to downgrade him by saying that he can get defeated by a mere genjutsu...



When the manga states that Kotoamatsumaki is permanent or spammable, then you're right, but not now. Sorry...

KA is permanent. It permanently got Itachi out of Redo. Please state facts not opinions.

All of Madara's eye techs > KA.

It's bad to overpower the Eye techs, but it's true.

Lol what? Ka> all of Madras eye techniques since it can control madara and use his techniques

 

[choft]

Lol what? Ka> all of Madras eye techniques since it can control madara and use his techniques

Actually, I think Madara's meteor technique is better in terms of crowd control. =)

 

[Seraphiel]

Yes, but we are assuming that Shisui has KA available in this case. In fact, it's the very fact that it can only be used once every 10 years that makes me believe that it can defeat Hashirama.

How would that work?

It wouldnt be spammable,since shisui didnt have EMS

I meant as in being able to use it constantly... as in every 5-10 minutes. And I know MS looses its light after overusing MS techs.

KA is permanent. It permanently got Itachi out of Redo. Please state facts not opinions.

You have the facts? Show me...

 

[choft]

How would that work?

How would what work?

 

[Seraphiel]

How would what work?

What do you mean?

 

[Kira was Righteous]

I have officially come to the conclusion that a lot of this base can be classed as mentally retarded

Shisui stronger then Hashirama awesome whats next Shiusi vs Sage of 6 paths

 

[choft]

What do you mean?

Well, I don't know what you don't understand. All I said is that because this technique is so OP that Kishi nerfed it with a cooldown of 10 years, it can defeat Hashirama.

If the technique was not OP, why did Kishi give it a cooldown of 10 years? If he could use it all the time, then he could defeat pretty much everyone.

 

[Helikido]

I have officially come to the conclusion that a lot of this base can be classed as mentally retarded

Shisui stronger then Hashirama awesome whats next Shiusi vs Sage of 6 paths

No one said that. It is shisuis tech that will allow him to control him. I have officially come to the degree of thought that people on the base such as you do not think logically on the base. He may have a counter, but I really doubt it since the only counter would be using a clone.

 

[Seraphiel]

Well, I don't know what you don't understand. All I said is that because this technique is so OP that Kishi nerfed it with a cooldown of 10 years, it can defeat Hashirama.

If the technique was not OP, why did Kishi give it a cooldown of 10 years? If he could use it all the time, then he could defeat pretty much everyone.

But how can he defeat Hashirama with it? We don't even know how long he can keep that genjutsu active.

No one said that. It is shisuis tech that will allow him to control him. I have officially come to the degree of thought that people on the base such as you do not think logically on the base. He may have a counter, but I really doubt it since the only counter would be using a clone.

You just contradicted yourself. Then he does have a counter, right?

 

[Helikido]

How would that work?



I meant as in being able to use it constantly... as in every 5-10 minutes. And I know MS looses its light after overusing MS techs.



You have the facts? Show me...

I already stated the fact KA has kept Itachi under its control even after the mangekyou has faded call the way till Itachi defeated kabuto.

 

[choft]

But how can he defeat Hashirama with it? We don't even know how long he can keep that genjutsu active.

It seems to just last forever. I mean, Itachi is still out of Kabuto's edo control.

Have you seen the movie Inception? I think KA works like that. You just plant an idea into someone's head, and that's it.