Technically Kakashi can beat almost everyone

[EliteKakashi]

How is someone going to battle craft on that level of strategic planning when plot takes such a huge role in battles in this manga and others.

kakashi's tactical prowess means going into detail about how he would win a fight would mean referencing different environments the speed of different attacks the times at which he would usually use shadow clones.

These aren't all out debate threads.. the fact is kamui is there and kamui > a lot

Which is exactly why I said I hate most Kakashi fanboys using it in debates.

I never said I hated the technique being used in the manga.

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.

 

[Maunten]

No, it's not useless. It's a great defensive technique. Saved them from Deidara's explosion, saved Chouji, saved him vs Sasuke.

It's just not a necessary technique to have for debates regarding him.

kakashi's speed, electric clones and chidori are very powerful techs, he also has mastered rasengan and many other techs too, but kamui really shines...

 

[Helikido]

All I am saying is that it is possible to seal amamterasu (as shown by jiraiya using a high rank fire sealing scroll, relatively pocket sized) and force amamterasu off of you (as shown by nagato).

seeing as susanoo is translucent kamui can warp right through it and kill the user in the mean time correct?

It does not have to destroy the whole susanoo, just make a head sized hole, or heart sized.

Saying that was completely irevelant.

And if he could have one shotted sasuke, why could he have not done that? Exactly.

 

[Bright Master]

Heh.... kakashi.... beating everyone.... i laugh at the title.. bjuu hits the speed of light.... kuomi didn't even finish deidara..... all he gtta fo is miss once.... lol.....

 

[Champ]

Good point. I think it's also a reason. I think he doesn't even train it since he doesn't want to go blind quickly. That's why i've said that maybe if he gets EMS, he could use Kamui at maximum of his potential. But unfortunately i don't see how he could get EMS

How?? Kakashi doesn't have enough chakra. And he is a tactical and analytic fighter. He is not rushing like Sasuke. It's sure that if he has Amaterasu, he won't use it at the start, in the contrary of Sasuke who doesn't hesitate at all to use his most powerful techniques from the start. So in this case, Sasuke will land Kamui first no matter what

I was saying if it was 1v1 an both tried there attack which would land first

 

[EliteKakashi]

kakashi's speed, electric clones and chidori are very powerful techs, he also has mastered rasengan and many other techs too, but kamui really shines...

Kamui doesn't shine at all.

People just like to look at it and thing "OMG THIS CAN WARP STUFF AWAY", but fail to realize that the downsides, in Kakashi's case, far outweigh the benefits.

1. It would cause him to go blind.

2. It causes him great fatigue.

3. If he were to somehow ever miss, or the opponent fooled him with a bunshin, he's absolutely screwed.

That's why, like I said, he uses it as a last resort, and that's why he's correct in using it as a last resort/defensive tactic.

 

[Bogard]

No, it's not useless. It's a great defensive technique. Saved them from Deidara's explosion, saved Chouji, saved him vs Sasuke.

It's just not a necessary technique to have for debates regarding him.

Maybe you don't like to use it in the offensive phase, but you can't forget he actually did it against Deidara and took his arm when he didn't even control his technique very well at that moment. He actually also intended to do it against Tobi

Saying that was completely irevelant.

And if he could have one shotted sasuke, why could he have not done that? Exactly.

Like i've said, he intended to do it against Tobi, right? That means he can. Why he didn't use it against Sasuke? It's because eventhough he wanted to take care of Sasuke, he didn't wanted to kill him. That's why he said to look deep inside of him at a moment. Cuz he wanted to take Sasuke back(and alive) in the village

I was saying if it was 1v1 an both tried there attack which would land first

If both try, then like i've said, Kamui will be faster from my point of view

 

[Champ]

Maybe you don't like to use it in the offensive phase, but you can't forget he actually did it against Deidara and took his arm when he didn't even control his technique very well at that moment. He actually also intended to do it against Tobi

Like i've said, he intended to do it against Tobi, right? That means he can. Why he didn't use it against Sasuke? It's because eventhough he wanted to take care of Sasuke, he didn't wanted to kill him. That's why he said to look deep inside of him at a moment. Cuz he wanted to take Sasuke back(and alive) in the village

If both try, then like i've said, Kamui will be faster from my point of view

Ok and from my point of view Amaterasu will land first

 

[EliteKakashi]

Maybe you don't like to use it in the offensive phase, but you can't forget he actually did it against Deidara and took his arm when he didn't even control his technique very well at that moment. He actually also intended to do it against Tobi

He used it against Deidara strictly in an attempt to save Gaara..you know, the kazekage, kind of important they keep him around.

He intended to use it vs Tobi because

a. Naruto and Sakura(lolsakura) were with him.

b. That was the akatsuki leader, of course he's going to try and take him out when possible.

C. Sasuke was weakened, meaning if he took out Tobi, there's no real threat to Naruto and Sakura

 

[Helikido]

Maybe you don't like to use it in the offensive phase, but you can't forget he actually did it against Deidara and took his arm when he didn't even control his technique very well at that moment. He actually also intended to do it against Tobi

Like i've said, he intended to do it against Tobi, right? That means he can. Why he didn't use it against Sasuke? It's because eventhough he wanted to take care of Sasuke, he didn't wanted to kill him. That's why he said to look deep inside of him at a moment. Cuz he wanted to take Sasuke back(and alive) in the village

If both try, then like i've said, Kamui will be faster from my point of view

Then why did kakshi say himself he cannot warp him?

 

[Bogard]

Then why did kakshi say himself he cannot warp him?

When did he said that?

 

[Maunten]

Kamui doesn't shine at all.

People just like to look at it and thing "OMG THIS CAN WARP STUFF AWAY", but fail to realize that the downsides, in Kakashi's case, far outweigh the benefits.

1. It would cause him to go blind.

2. It causes him great fatigue.

3. If he were to somehow ever miss, or the opponent fooled him with a bunshin, he's absolutely screwed.

That's why, like I said, he uses it as a last resort, and that's why he's correct in using it as a last resort/defensive tactic.

Ah well, you can list only it's disadvantages sure, but it is still an extremly powerful tech, must MS techs do require great mastery of them to utilise efficiently in battle, that does not make kamui weak.

It defense skills are the best kind IMO, minatos space time barrier is one of the best techs IMHO.

 

[Helikido]

When did he said that?

When sasuke activated his full susanoo then went blind.

 

[Maunten]

Saying that was completely irevelant.

And if he could have one shotted sasuke, why could he have not done that? Exactly.

No it was not, if someone is hit by amaterasu and knows how to use a fire sealing scroll they can seal it away, tsukuyomi is more of a one shot than amamterasu.

People speak of tsukuyomi in such high esteem despite the fact that to avoid it is to just not look into the eyes of the user, yet a tech that works on those who move linearly is easily avoidable, why lol?

Surely it is easier to not look into someones eyes than it is to not move in a linear fashion, you can force someone into moving linearly by using with fire power, how do you force someone to have eye contact with you?

 

[Bogard]

He used it against Deidara strictly in an attempt to save Gaara..you know, the kazekage, kind of important they keep him around.

He intended to use it vs Tobi because

a. Naruto and Sakura(lolsakura) were with him.

b. That was the akatsuki leader, of course he's going to try and take him out when possible.

C. Sasuke was weakened, meaning if he took out Tobi, there's no real threat to Naruto and Sakura

Ofc i'm not saying Kakashi will actually land his kamui everytime. That's why i've said previously that he is a tactical fighter, who needs to see through his opponent techniques and weakness before using his strongest attacks, it's why i've also said that because he doesn't have enough chakra, he will never try kamui from the start if he has other possibilities, but here i'm talking about "what happen when he lands kamui", not that "he'll automatically land it"

When sasuke activated his full susanoo then went blind.

Maybe we're not seeing the same manga then, cuz i'm reading it currently and he never said that. Maybe you must show me a mangapage then?

 

[EliteKakashi]

Ofc i'm not saying Kakashi will actually land his kamui everytime. That's why i've said previously that he is a tactical fighter, who needs to see through his opponent techniques and weakness before using his strongest attacks, it's why i've also said that because he doesn't have enough chakra, he will never try kamui from the start if he has other possibilities, but here i'm talking about "what happen when he lands kamui", not that "he'll automatically land it"

We know what would happen if kamui hit somebody. It would warp them away/or whatever he was aiming at.

 

[hatakii kakashii]

agreed kamui is one of the strongest jutsu
kakashi was ready to use on tobi s body to warp him and it s the same scenario against the bijuudama and with his chakra upgrade kakashi is extremely strong right now

 

[Helikido]

Ofc i'm not saying Kakashi will actually land his kamui everytime. That's why i've said previously that he is a tactical fighter, who needs to see through his opponent techniques and weakness before using his strongest attacks, it's why i've also said that because he doesn't have enough chakra, he will never try kamui from the start if he has other possibilities, but here i'm talking about "what happen when he lands kamui", not that "he'll automatically land it"

Maybe we're not seeing the same manga then, cuz i'm reading it currently and he never said that. Maybe you must show me a mangapage then?

I actually watched it in a anime episode. The fight between kakashi and sasukes after danzos death. read it again.

 

[Helikido]

agreed kamui is one of the strongest jutsu
kakashi was ready to use on tobi s body to warp him and it s the same scenario against the bijuudama and with his chakra upgrade kakashi is extremely strong right now

it doesn't work on tobi.

 

[EliteKakashi]

I actually watched it in a anime episode. The fight between kakashi and sasukes after danzos death. read it again.

It was filler.

It was never said in the manga.

Unless you're talking about Tobi saying Kakashi couldn't warp him away...but the way I took it you're talking about Sasuke being warped away.