Technically Kakashi can beat almost everyone

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  • Yes, except if you're fast as Raikage or more, Kamui could kill almost everyone if it wasn't plot

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  • No, you're wrong. Plot or not, Kamui is not that strong

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Helikido

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He isn't, people who can achieve perfect susanoo can beat him. If he could warp susanoo away, why didn't kakashi do it against sasuke? exactly.
 

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I agree with most you said but which do you think would land first if they where face 2 face Amaterasu or KumaI
 

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And amaturasu is greater than kamui. their is no escape from it once it lands unlike kamui
 

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He isn't, people who can achieve perfect susanoo can beat him. If he could warp susanoo away, why didn't kakashi do it against sasuke? exactly.

Why can't susanoo get warped?

you can seal amaterasu, seal a space time tech please.
 

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I agree with most you said but which do you think would land first if they where face 2 face Amaterasu or KumaI
Since Kakashi only use Kamui as last ressort, Amaterasu will land first(especially if it's Sasuke), but technically kamui is faster to release since you only need an blink of an eye to release the jutsu(Kakashi had 3tomoes sharingan and use MS and Kamui in an instant like you can see on this pic)
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When Amaterasu takes time(blood must come out also)
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So technically Kamui is faster, but since Kakashi won't try kamui from the start(it's his joker i'd like to say), Amaterasu(from Sasuke especially) would land first but Kakashi could still teleport it away with kamui by seeing it coming
 

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Since Kakashi only use Kamui at last ressort, Amaterasu will land firs(especially if it's Sasuke), but technically kamui is faster to release since you only need an blink of an eye to release the jutsu(Kakashi had 3tomoes sharingan and use MS and Kamui in an instant like you can see on this pic)
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So technically Kamui is faster, but since Kakashi won't try kamui from the start, Amaterasu(from Sasuke especially) would land first but Kakashi could still teleport it away with kamui by seeing it coming

Once you said this I agreed :) I didn't read the rest
 

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Once you said this I agreed :) I didn't read the rest
Yes, but like i've said it will land first only cuz of the user. If you give Kamui to Sasuke and Amaterasu to Kakashi for example, Kamui will land first. He don't hesitate to use powerful attacks from the start in the contrary of Kakashi(who fights a little bit like Itachi, observing the opponent before calmly). They don't have the same amount of chakra also
 
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Why can't susanoo get warped?

you can seal amaterasu, seal a space time tech please.

Because kakashi does not have enough chakra for such a thing. And please tell me how he can seal amaturasu when it is spawning right on him? what are you gonna say, he's gonna dodge it lol?
 

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There's one big problem with that, though.

He'd eventually go blind.

And if he can't see how is he going to kamui somebody?

People always wonder why he uses it as a last resort/defensive technique only, and that is the reason. His technique would be useless without his sight.
 

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Yes, but like i've said it will land first only cuz of the user. If you give Kamui to Sasuke and Amaterasu to Kakashi for example, Kamui will land first. He don't hesitate to use powerful attacks from the start in the contrary of Kakashi(who fights a little bit like Itachi, observing the opponent before calmly). They don't have the same amount of chakra also

Amaterasu will always land first
 

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Because kakashi does not have enough chakra for such a thing. And please tell me how he can seal amaturasu when it is spawning right on him? what are you gonna say, he's gonna dodge it lol?

All I am saying is that it is possible to seal amamterasu (as shown by jiraiya using a high rank fire sealing scroll, relatively pocket sized) and force amamterasu off of you (as shown by nagato).

seeing as susanoo is translucent kamui can warp right through it and kill the user in the mean time correct?

It does not have to destroy the whole susanoo, just make a head sized hole, or heart sized.
 

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There's one big problem with that, though.

He'd eventually go blind.

And if he can't see how is he going to kamui somebody?

People always wonder why he uses it as a last resort/defensive technique only, and that is the reason. His technique would be useless without his sight.
Good point. I think it's also a reason. I think he doesn't even train it since he doesn't want to go blind quickly. That's why i've said that maybe if he gets EMS, he could use Kamui at maximum of his potential. But unfortunately i don't see how he could get EMS:(
Amaterasu will always land first
How?? Kakashi doesn't have enough chakra. And he is a tactical and analytic fighter. He is not rushing like Sasuke. It's sure that if he has Amaterasu, he won't use it at the start, in the contrary of Sasuke who doesn't hesitate at all to use his most powerful techniques from the start. So in this case, Sasuke will land Kamui first no matter what
 

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Good point. I think it's also a reason. I think he doesn't even train it since he doesn't want to go blind quickly. That's why i've said that maybe if he gets EMS, he could use Kamui at maximum of his potential. But unfortunately i don't see how he could get EMS:(

He doesn't need kamui anyway.

He's capable of going toe to toe with most in the series with just his regular sharingan.

Which is why I hate most Kakashi fanboys. They rely on "kamui this and that" so quickly in debates when it's not necessary in the slightest. It's why Kakashi "fanboys" have become arguably the most hated among naruto fanbases.
 

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He doesn't need kamui anyway.

He's capable of going toe to toe with most in the series with just his regular sharingan.

Which is why I hate most Kakashi fanboys. They rely on "kamui this and that" so quickly in debates when it's not necessary in the slightest. It's why Kakashi "fanboys" have become arguably the most hated among naruto fanbases.
Maybe but here you're basically saying that Kishi should not even have given Kamui to kakashi? Cuz if he doesn't use it, that means the technique was given for nothing. So it's useless :shrug:
 

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He doesn't need kamui anyway.

He's capable of going toe to toe with most in the series with just his regular sharingan.

Which is why I hate most Kakashi fanboys. They rely on "kamui this and that" so quickly in debates when it's not necessary in the slightest. It's why Kakashi "fanboys" have become arguably the most hated among naruto fanbases.

How is someone going to battle craft on that level of strategic planning when plot takes such a huge role in battles in this manga and others.

kakashi's tactical prowess means going into detail about how he would win a fight would mean referencing different environments the speed of different attacks the times at which he would usually use shadow clones.

These aren't all out debate threads.. the fact is kamui is there and kamui > a lot
 

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Maybe but here you're basically saying that Kishi should not even have given Kamui to kakashi? Cuz if he doesn't use it, that means the technique was given for nothing. So it's useless :shrug:

No, it's not useless. It's a great defensive technique. Saved them from Deidara's explosion, saved Chouji, saved him vs Sasuke.

It's just not a necessary technique to have for debates regarding him.
 
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