What is the real requirement to have susanoo?

[Helikido]

The data book says that one must have amaturassu and tsykiyomi to awaken susanoo.

On the other hand sasuke himself said that you only need a double mangekyou to posses susanoo? Basically the manga contradicted the data book.

I also think that the data book should not be referred to anymore since I really think it is now outdated in many aspects.

 

[OhReary]

2 ms techniques?

 

[Kettei]

1 eye has amaterasu and 1 has tsukiyomi

 

[GUCC1GU1LTY]

sasuke said two MS technicues...pretty much reffering to tsukuyomi and amateratsu

 

[Helikido]

sasuke said two MS technicues...pretty much reffering to tsukuyomi and amateratsu

He said a double mangekyou, not tsykiyomi and amaturasu. He meant that their has to be two mangekyou sharingans.

 

[WillToWin]

He said a double mangekyou, not tsykiyomi and amaturasu. He meant that their has to be two mangekyou sharingans.

He did say the third power Susanoo by obtaining the MS and mastering two of the techs which is Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.

 

[sytren]

He did say the third power Susanoo by obtaining the MS and mastering two of the techs which is Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.

Actually Itachi said that after mastering Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi he discovered the third power. And besides Sasuke has never showed that he uses Tsukuyomi specifically. He just has a genjutsu.

 

[teetooktier]

The data book says that one must have amaturassu and tsykiyomi to awaken susanoo.

On the other hand sasuke himself said that you only need a double mangekyou to posses susanoo? Basically the manga contradicted the data book.

I also think that the data book should not be referred to anymore since I really think it is now outdated in many aspects.

Sasuke did not say that. He said only those with the double Mangekyou can awaken Susano'o.
Thus both statements are true.

Also, when it comes to factual information, ie not stuff about characters, but about techs and how they work, the Databooks cannot be out of date. They were written by Kishimoto himself, and they are his explanation. Unless he explicitly changes his explanation via another databook or the manga, no other competing explanations are there.

 

[lol99]

Double mangekyou is enough

 

[Helikido]

Sasuke did not say that. He said only those with the double Mangekyou can awaken Susano'o.
Thus both statements are true.

Also, when it comes to factual information, ie not stuff about characters, but about techs and how they work, the Databooks cannot be out of date. They were written by Kishimoto himself, and they are his explanation. Unless he explicitly changes his explanation via another databook or the manga, no other competing explanations are there.

You say that the data book is not outdated? Care to say why It states that Itachi has less chakra than kakashi when the manga has clearly proven otherwise? You do also realize that the data book is not 100% reliable like the manga?

 

[Champ]

It says you need Amaterasu representing ”Material World and Light”, and Tsukuyomi representing ”Nightmare Realm” to activate Susano'o

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[Munboy]

The data book says that one must have amaturassu and tsykiyomi to awaken susanoo.

On the other hand sasuke himself said that you only need a double mangekyou to posses susanoo? Basically the manga contradicted the data book.

I also think that the data book should not be referred to anymore since I really think it is now outdated in many aspects.

Mastery of Amaterasu + mastery of Tsukuyomi = Susanoo.
Exactly what Sasuke did.

 

[GofOfNothing]

big balls and a lot of stamina...xd

2 MS Jutsus
one in each eye
dont think it has to be amaterasu and tskuyomi

 

[Blaze Release]

Databook states tsukuyomi and amaterasu BUT this was itachi's description and the same can be said about tsukuyomi.

Manga however states that you need to gain mastery of both ms eyes. i believe a person can have kamui and ka for example and their final technique would be susano. The way susano has been hinted it seems like its a guardian of the user meaning every ms user has available this guardian but first they must master both eyes

 

[natssuu]

I think manga has made it quite clear that Sasuke's Mangekyo genjutsu isn't Tsukiyomi.

 

[Owarij]

Databook states tsukuyomi and amaterasu BUT this was itachi's description and the same can be said about tsukuyomi.

Manga however states that you need to gain mastery of both ms eyes. i believe a person can have kamui and ka for example and their final technique would be susano. The way susano has been hinted it seems like its a guardian of the user meaning every ms user has available this guardian but first they must master both eyes

I think the opposite.. I think susanno is solely for amaterasu and tsukyomi users , as the databook says


Simply because the myth behind it states that all 3 of them are brothers..

Madara
Sasuke and itachi all seem to have similar abilities as well....

 

[Blaze Release]

I think the opposite.. I think susanno is solely for amaterasu and tsukyomi users , as the databook says


Simply because the myth behind it states that all 3 of them are brothers..

Madara
Sasuke and itachi all seem to have similar abilities as well....

There are arguments for both tbh and we still havent seen madara's other ms abilities.

The way susano has been described in the db its in relation to itachi and the same can be said about the description of tsukuyomi.

Tbh kishi is playing around, im now confused about tsukuyomi what exactly is it. Is tsukuyomi the genjutsu that madara used when he activated the ems on A, the same genjutsu that sasuke used when he activated the ms on danzo and bee. But in itachi's case he has gone a step further with the technique and has shown great mastery with it and can manipulate everything in that world. This could also back the fact that whilst sasuke is better with amaterasu and can use blaze release, itachi is better with tsukuyomi and can mainuplate everything in that world.

Or whether tsukuyomi is the ability to control everything in that world therefore anything else which doesnt do this isnt tsukuyomi, but rather sharingan genjutsu

So the question is has itachi put his own twist on the original tsukuyomi. Or does tsukuyomi came with the ability to control everythin in that world by default

 

[Urda]

It could be a Translation Error (or something), but it has to be between (1) To unlock Susanoo, one must have awaken both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Or, (2) To unlock Susanoo, one must have mastery in both MS eyes.

 

[iSpeak]

Different techniques unlock different ultimate Jutsu's
Amaterasu + Tsukuyomi unlocks Susanoo, the ultimate defence.
The 2 jutsu which Shiusi got unlocks Kotoamatsukami, the ultimate genjutsu.
So on and so forth.
That is my opinion.

 

[Owarij]

There are arguments for both tbh and we still havent seen madara's other ms abilities.

The way susano has been described in the db its in relation to itachi and the same can be said about the description of tsukuyomi.

Tbh kishi is playing around, im now confused about tsukuyomi what exactly is it. Is tsukuyomi the genjutsu that madara used when he activated the ems on A, the same genjutsu that sasuke used when he activated the ms on danzo and bee. But in itachi's case he has gone a step further with the technique and has shown great mastery with it and can manipulate everything in that world. This could also back the fact that whilst sasuke is better with amaterasu and can use blaze release, itachi is better with tsukuyomi and can mainuplate everything in that world.

Or whether tsukuyomi is the ability to control everything in that world therefore anything else which doesnt do this isnt tsukuyomi, but rather sharingan genjutsu

So the question is has itachi put his own twist on the original tsukuyomi. Or does tsukuyomi came with the ability to control everythin in that world by default

I believe what Sasuke used on bee was tsukyomi

If he wanted to cast a ordinary genjutsu he would have used 3 tomoe.. Instead he first activated ms then used the genjutsu, why? , well the only thing I would think of is to use a jutsu unique to the ms...