I wonder why Kishi hasn't bothered to tell us even once that he has Tsukiyomi. Whenever he uses Amaterasu, Susano'o or even Enton, it's always noted somewhere. But when he uses his MS Genjutsu it's just said that ''That genjutsu'' or ''It's a weak illusion'' etc.
What is the real requirement to have susanoo?
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The Hidden Shinobi
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Let's just listen to the latest thing kishi tell's us I think it was that it requires mastery in both MS eyes so I am going with that.
Yes, Sasuke does have a Genjutsu which he uses with his right Mangekyo sharingan. But it's not a Tsukiyomi.
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''Danzo, it's just as you said.. It's no match for Itachi's Tsukiyomi, which can control time''
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''It's a weak Genjutsu that doesn't last long''
These pages makes it quite clear that it's not a Tsukiyomi.
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If that is the case then you are hinting that tsukuyomi doesnt come with the ability to control everything in that world but rather its itachi's twist on the technique.
Reason i say this is because sasuke also activated his ms against danzo who dispelled it using normal means. Sasuke then activated his ems and used it on zetsu who later run away to get 1 shotted. He then used it on itachi to get him out of genjutsu.
Madara also had the ems on when he used genjutsu on A.
So basically the original tsukuyomi is you can say a higher form of the basic sharingan genjutsu but a lower form from itachi's who has made complete mastery and his put his own twist on the technique. What i find funny is how the manga clearly distinguishes tsukuyomi when itachi used it and sasuke's genjutsu. Even in the latest chapter A said that was a mere sharingan genjutsu
when madara used it on him
Tobi even called sasuke's ms genjutsu a weak genjutsu xd
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And the thing is, we take word of sasuke who has no knowledge of ms jutsu what ever, nor of the history of ms jtusu
Itachi says one thing, sasuke said another, databook says one thing also , and Itachi is the one who seems to know more about ms jutsu...
It's like deidara thinking that sasuke's chidori was raikiri... and sasuke corrected him.. Everything that comes out the mouth of characters can't be taken as fact..
The thing is, danzo isn't an idiot
what gets me is, If it wasn't tsukyomi
WHY would danzo compare a normal genjutsu to itachi's tsukyomi?
That doesn't make any sense.. it's like comparing Apples and oranges.. two entirely different things... He could have compared sasukes genjutsu to itachi's normal genjutsu
THAT makes sense
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so now we don't know until maybe the next data book
Tsukuyomi probably is stronger when you cram a lot of things into it - what Itachi does and what Sasuke did to B.
Whereas it is probably weaker when you only do something subtle like make Danzo think his eye is open.
Sasuke probably used a watered down Tsukuyomi on Danzo, it makes sense why Tobi quoted Danzo's remark about Tsukuyomi in response to why Izanagi didn't work. Further why there was a lot of panel space on Sasuke's Tsukuyomi eye right after he asked why Izanagi didn't work.
To top it off, Tobi's reflection of the battle had the Genjutsu display inverted panels; a classic sign of Tsukuyomi.
Whereas it is probably weaker when you only do something subtle like make Danzo think his eye is open.
Sasuke probably used a watered down Tsukuyomi on Danzo, it makes sense why Tobi quoted Danzo's remark about Tsukuyomi in response to why Izanagi didn't work. Further why there was a lot of panel space on Sasuke's Tsukuyomi eye right after he asked why Izanagi didn't work.
To top it off, Tobi's reflection of the battle had the Genjutsu display inverted panels; a classic sign of Tsukuyomi.
When sasuke used susanno , Itachi was suprised and commented on it...
When he used amaterasu, he showed no sign of surprise from it..
Why? well I believe that once Itachi saw he has susanno, he knew he had the other two as well...
Not to mention everytime sasuke is using his "tsukyomi" he uses his eye that's opposite to amaterasu.. Sometimes manga even ZOOMS in on that eye..
Casting normal genjutsu via sharingan doesn't work with only ONE eye... why are they zooming in on any specific eye? unless it's a ms ability..
When he used amaterasu, he showed no sign of surprise from it..
Why? well I believe that once Itachi saw he has susanno, he knew he had the other two as well...
Not to mention everytime sasuke is using his "tsukyomi" he uses his eye that's opposite to amaterasu.. Sometimes manga even ZOOMS in on that eye..
Casting normal genjutsu via sharingan doesn't work with only ONE eye... why are they zooming in on any specific eye? unless it's a ms ability..
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ANBU Kakashi23
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what ms users? madara/izuna were allegedly the first ones right?
and i doubt any would have come after that we would not have heard about
my point being, how can something be rare when 3 out of the 5 confirmed ms users have susanoo
But tsukyomi is an entire next level of genjutsu by itself.. a genjutsu where opposing the caster is seemingly impossible...
It would be ridiculous for someone to compare them....
Itachi is also extremely skilled in the area of genjutsu also.. He could have said that compared to itachi's genjutsu, his own sucks ass..
teetooktier
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I did not say that the data book cannot be out of date ever. I said this.
"Also, when it comes to factual information, ie not stuff about characters, but about techs and how they work, the Databooks cannot be out of date."
I notice you bringing up stuff about characters when I specifically mentioned here
ie not stuff about characters
That this kind of info CAN be out of date.
Please read and understand before you reply, I dislike repeating my own posts.
I am unsure why the databook would be any less reliable than the manga, as both are written by kishimoto himself.
"In Japanese mythology, Susanoo, the powerful storm of Summer, is the brother of Amaterasu, the goddess of the sun, and of Tsukuyomi, the god of the moon. All three were born from Izanagi, when he washed his face clean of the pollutants of Yami, the underworld. Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed out his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born from the washing of the right eye, and Susanoo from the washing of the nose."
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