Nagato outsmarted/overpowered by Itachi
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what?
u do know it was itachi who figured out how 2 stop it? u do know it wasn't itachi vs negato but negato vs (bee and naruto) with that itachi saved them and HELPED...
if it was itachi vs. negato no one else would need saving itachi STILL would have blinded the summons destroyed the orb and out smarted negato ANYWAYS
NOW if u believe the jewel jutsu can't destroy that orb then its safe to say biju dama and rasenshuriken aren't as strong as people crack them up to be
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genjutsu dont work on rinnegan users and secondly nagato can destroy an entire village with his jutsu what makes you think he can beat itachi
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Ok, here again.Nobody said that Itachi is stronger than Nagato of course rinnegan's abilities are better than MS's. But Itachi has a chance even if its only 10% but I think its about 50%.All he has to do is cast a genjutsu.He can cast it in a second. All he needs is 1 second.And he's smart enough to buy that time. And Sasuke didnt really break Tsukoyomi, Itachi didnt want to kill him, thats why he let sasuke break it...And some say that no itachi wont cast genjutsu at the start, but why not? Besides you say Itachi cannot cast genjutsu and even if he can Nagato can break it (but whats the proof? rinnegan is stronger but not specialized in genjutsu) but then why do you say Nagato uses CT right away and it s over for Itachi?
So IMO no proof who will win, it can go either way and what we 've seen so far is that Itachi always wins.And its a fact.(Dont bring up sasuke...)
But if Nagato uses his jutsus well and fast enough he we'll win.
So its not that obvious that Nagatao wins, we've seen weaker people beating stronger ones in Naruto....
So IMO no proof who will win, it can go either way and what we 've seen so far is that Itachi always wins.And its a fact.(Dont bring up sasuke...)
But if Nagato uses his jutsus well and fast enough he we'll win.
So its not that obvious that Nagatao wins, we've seen weaker people beating stronger ones in Naruto....
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Here you see Tobi saying that Danzou could not control Hashirama's DNA that is why he could not use it to it's full extent, that is why it is incomplete. It can be used by an Uchiha but only for a brief moment, senju DNA makes it last longer utilizing it's full potential.
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Here we see Danzou getting rid of Hashirama's DNA because he couldn't control it.
While a few panels later we see Tobi saying that Danzou is stuck between choosing between Izanagi or Kotoatsumi. Why would he imply that Danzou could still use Izanagi even though he got rid of Hashirama's DNA ?
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Danzo still had Senju DNA when he had to choose between Shisui's Genjutsu and Izanagi. Though little, there was still bits of Hashirama's chakra on the remainder of his arm; it has a wood-like remain.
Izanami's requirements were never touched on and appear to only require Uchiha DNA. However Izanagi's requirements were touched on and the guy describing it went on to say it requires Uchiha and Senju powers.
Agreed. However I believe in this case it was clear. Tobi called it an Uchiha jutsu which can only be used by those who have Uchiha and Senju powers. That is likely because the Sharingan is needed to use that eye jutsu; Senju likely can't use it without the Sharingan.
Izanami's requirements were never touched on and appear to only require Uchiha DNA. However Izanagi's requirements were touched on and the guy describing it went on to say it requires Uchiha and Senju powers.
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Again why would he label it an Uchiha technique. if they need the eye to use the eye jutsu why need the DNA? (mind you Izanagi Drains Chakra even Tobi testified to this)
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Exactly, they also forget that nagato mastered all six nature types and has a wide range of jutsu that we have'nt seen yet, Plus he has rinnegan so how the hell is he weak to genjutsu LoL
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Have you seen his fight against Jiraiya? He was caught in the frogs' genjutsu...
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Yeah Itachi and Sasuke got caught in genjutsu because anyone can be caught in genjutsu, and they could break free, but I have never seen the rinnegan's genjutsu abilities. And how can you say that Nagato is not weak against genjutsu when he was caught in one and , you said it too, and thats why Jiraiaya could kill 3 paths of the 6...................................So your point?
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Perhaps because it is close to the Sage's power, the Uchiha needs to be closer to the Sage in body and eyes. Hence the Senju DNA.
Everything's speculation. However one thing is a fact: in all three panels I provided, Tobi explicitly notes that Izanagi is a jutsu only permitted to those with Uchiha and Senju DNA.
By that logic, from an Izanagi user, Itachi isn't permitted to use Izanagi. Although he can use its counter, the Izanami.