Nagato outsmarted/overpowered by Itachi

[iMicLykTyson]

Izanami is a technique used to counter Izangi primarily that is what it was designed for.It can be used also against people who cant accept themselves and try to be something there not like Kabuto.Kabuto couldn't accept himself and thats why Izanami worked on him.

Izanami is useless in combat it was said by Itachi himself it takes a lot of prep time and as far as i know Nagato accepts who he is he maybe has a god complex(not really surprising looking at what he could do and has done) but hes never wanted to be a different person or absorbed other peoples powers etc

Lol I'm not going to start arguing about how izanami works it has already been discussed. All I am going to say to touch on that is this. If it is really useless in combat then why did itachi use it? It's a kinjutsu (forbidden technique) it isn't used because of the risks it carries, that doesn't mean it can't be used

 

[lol99]

Lol I'm not going to start arguing about how izanami works it has already been discussed. All I am going to say to touch on that is this. If it is really useless in combat then why did itachi use it? It's a kinjutsu (forbidden technique) it isn't used because of the risks it carries, that doesn't mean it can't be used

it is not useless just cause the loop is escapable
In a combat loop is impossible to form

Look at how sasuke made it successful

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Lol I'm not going to start arguing about how izanami works it has already been discussed. All I am going to say to touch on that is this. If it is really useless in combat then why did itachi use it? It's a kinjutsu (forbidden technique) it isn't used because of the risks it carries, that doesn't mean it can't be used

If you knew how it worked you wouldn't be here arguing in a Nagato vs Itachi thread and Itachi himself you know that guy your defending said its useless in combat don't add your own twist to it thats what he said.

He used it because it would allow him to take control over Kabuto and stop the Edo Tensei in a 1v1 fight vs Nagato even if your being pathetic and saying its already activated it cant work on Nagato because he accepts himself and he does not use other peoples powers as his own therefore it would be useless and cost him eye without Susanoo as well he would fall very quickly a Chou Shinra Tensei from deva blew up Konoha and a Normal Shinra Tensei through Nagato blew up a forest

If Nagato goes in the air and charges up a Shinra Tensei he would probably destroy the whole entire battlefield.Itachi cannot do anything to Nagato flying apart from throw Kunai as Preta absorbs all Ninjutsu so its hopeless for Itachi

 

[lol99]

finally found it my post in another thread

it is useless cause it is a hell of a gamble, it was successful cause of sasuke and itachi being edo. If it was not for sasuke then this right here would be kabuto's victory

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furthermore
1. sasuke threw the sword at kabuto
2. his attack forced kabuto back at ceiling

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both of these things were very important as kabuto was once again forced to the ceiling with the sword when itachi photographed the first instant A

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and hence cause of sasuke itachi was able to form a loop

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All this diversion and tricking the opponent can't be done alone
And also you have to wait for some time to pass between the two instants

Against nagato who is a powerhouse on another level compared to kabuto.
Shinra tensei, chibaku tensei, animal summons etc
it cant really be used

 

[mamamamonster]

I never imagined this thread of mine will go this far. xd

 

[iMicLykTyson]

If you knew how it worked you wouldn't be here arguing in a Nagato vs Itachi thread and Itachi himself you know that guy your defending said its useless in combat don't add your own twist to it thats what he said.

He used it because it would allow him to take control over Kabuto and stop the Edo Tensei in a 1v1 fight vs Nagato even if your being pathetic and saying its already activated it cant work on Nagato because he accepts himself and he does not use other peoples powers as his own therefore it would be useless and cost him eye without Susanoo as well he would fall very quickly a Chou Shinra Tensei from deva blew up Konoha and a Normal Shinra Tensei through Nagato blew up a forest

If Nagato goes in the air and charges up a Shinra Tensei he would probably destroy the whole entire battlefield.Itachi cannot do anything to Nagato flying apart from throw Kunai as Preta absorbs all Ninjutsu so its hopeless for Itachi

Lol do u hear ur self show me a post where I said itachi would win. I never even talked about the battle and I was debating with someone else about izanagi and izanami and the requirements. I suggest you think before posting. Plz explain where I twisted words because Itachi called it a kinjutsu.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

I never imagined this thread of mine will go this far. xd

Lol

 

[iMicLykTyson]

finally found it my post in another thread



Against nagato who is a powerhouse on another level compared to kabuto.
Shinra tensei, chibaku tensei, animal summons etc
it cant really be used

Tricking and diversion is possible with a clone xd
P.S i am not going into izanami and stuff as i have stated above.

 

[Haagen Dazs]

Itachi overpowered Nagato?. What?. Perhaps we are not reading the same manga.

 

[saar0507]

Itachi's best Genjutsu is from eye contact, just don't look at his eyes. You people still haven't told me how Itachi would counter CT right from the start.

and another thing if nagato will use 6 pathes of pain i dont think itachi genjutsu will waork sinc its cant work on more than one man

 

[Naruto Boss]

i dont think itachi could have defeated nagato in a 1v1 fight with nagato at his fullest ans is in control of his body

 

[Munboy]

1st Bold: i understand what you meant by having both makes you closer, this same logic can apply to Izanagi, having the DNA makes it complete(or close to complete), not having the DNA makes it incomplete but still usable which ties back to using the DNA to prolong it's effect. Izanagi is named a kinjutsu because of the short usage of this skill, if the skill is not used at the right time, Izanagi won't be able to protect the user.
2nd Bold: Izanami is an example of altering reality yet it requires only Sharingan/Uchiha Bloodline.

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Here as you can see it says "Those who couldn't control Hashirama's Powers (DNA) boasted only an Incomplete form of Izanagi"

We can keep arguing about this all day the Manga contradicts itself just leave it at that.

What Tobi said in that page doesn't contradict the statement (from three different sources) he made about Izanagi's requirements.

What we got overall was:
> Izanagi can only be used by those with Uchiha and Senju powers.
> Those who couldn't completely control Hashirama (a particular Senju whose chakra is especially hard to tame) could use Izanagi - they met the minimum requirements - but it wasn't complete because of their control.

It doesn't discredit the idea that you do need Senju powers alongside Uchiha powers to 'unlock' the ability to use Izanagi.


Izanagi changes destiny; it turns illusion into reality. Though it only affects the caster, the effects are 'real'.

Izanami doesn't alter reality per se.
Izanami decides destiny; it turns reality into illusion. It affects the opponent, and the effects aren't real. The looped illusion however seems to contain things which can happen in reality.

In context: Izanami can only decide destiny by forcing the victim to accept the consequences of their actions, and their true selves. In the case with Izanagi users it forces them to accept a result they avoided was out of their control before releasing them.

Itachi's summaries make sense, however it doesn't necessarily suggest that Izanami controls reality on the scale Izanagi does.


Another way of looking at it is: power hungry Uchiha, who'd kill their rivals for the power to alter reality, use Izanagi. Uchiha who weren't power hungry - thus didn't take Senju DNA - devised Izanami to force their brethren to accept the actual reality, not the 're-done' reality.

In this sense, it makes perfect sense as to why Izanagi requires Senju powers alongside Uchiha and why Izanami doesn't.

 

[nells0]

Yeah, Itachi didn't overpower Nagato at all. He wouldn't have beaten CT if he didn't have the Hachibi and the Kyuubi backing him up.

if u had 2 guys with the 9-tails and 8-tails, u would be less worried about ur opponent than if u was on ur own.

3 tomoe sharingan tobi>>>>>>>>>>nagato

 

[itachikakashi]

Itachi ftw he is the smartest character in narutoverse

 

[Avani]

I just realized this when re-reading the part when Itachi got out of Kabuto's control and fought Nagato who was fully controlled by Kabuto. He blinded Nagato's summons and found a way to defeat Chibaku Tensei. Itachi even helped Naruto and B break free from Nagato, both are helpless and could have been killed if it weren't for Itachi's presence. Finally, he was the one who sealed Nagato. So I do believe that Itachi could be a very difficult opponent for Nagato and has chances of beating him.xd

Itachi won't be an easy opponant for any one.

 

[narutownsyouall]

How did this turn into Itachi vs. Nagato?

vs. thread

 

[Scooby Doo]

How did this turn into Itachi vs. Nagato?

vs. thread

It is an Itachi vs nagato thread just the thread title doesnt say it vs thread But see: Nagato outsmarted/overpowered by Itachi

 

[narutownsyouall]

It is an Itachi vs nagato thread just the thread title doesnt say it vs thread But see: Nagato outsmarted/overpowered by Itachi

I kinda knew that but I don't get how Strawberry/Tsuchi did not ban it since it is clearly a versus thread. I gues if it does not say vs. in the title it no longer matters...

 

[Mark Uzumaki]

Itachi , being the smart shinobi he is , won't take the time to ask Bee & Naruto for help to destroy Chibaku Tensei , when they are about to be crushed in seconds . He would've done it alone if he can.......oh wait he can't

 

[Scooby Doo]

I kinda knew that but I don't get how Strawberry/Tsuchi did not ban it since it is clearly a versus thread. I gues if it does not say vs. in the title it no longer matters...

Who knows

Itachi , being the smart shinobi he is , won't take the time to ask Bee & Naruto for help to destroy Chibaku Tensei , when they are about to be crushed in seconds . He would've done it alone if he can.......oh wait he can't

But first he had to save them from Nagato, then Nagato started CT and still Itachi had time to talk and then he said that if they destroy the black orb, the CT will finish. So had had about 30seconds to as kthem to help And he didnt ask them just said lets throw our strongest techniques. But with one yasaka magatama he couldnt destroy it alone of course .