Sasuke's logic ( Is everyone in naruto a b****)

[Anorien16]

First off I want to say if Sasuke had turned "good" then that would be the end of the manga. There has to be a vilan and not just any vilan, one who will not just be defeated because so far most of the "bad guys" are dead: the only two standing are Kabuto & Tobi/Madara. Second I would like to point out how Itachi failed to set the record straight which is all Sasuke really wanted. The one person who is responsible for ALL of Sasuke's turmoil could not spare five minutes to tell him what he needs to know. Itachi wants to leave everything up to Naruto? It makes no sense because so far every time Naruto tries to talk sense into Sasuke it never seems to do the job. Third, yes ninjas are like "soldiers," but what Itachi did was for the wrong reasons. From what I understood he was ordered by the elders to eliminate the Uchiha clan and Danzo was the main person behind it. That is why after killing Danzo Sasuke was satisfied (for a moment). To live your life in a lie, have no one to really guide you, the one person who was family lied to you, tormented you, and at the end he STILL has this distance between you it can cause Sasuke to ignore the "logic" in anything. Now everyone wants him dead, Itachi was no help, and what does he have to loose? Sasuke has nothing to loose and revenge is the only thing he knows.

Ur quite right, sasuke was misguided but his arrogance wont let him listen to reason, but not even itachi can influance him see:

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he says it himself he wont listen to itachi. But these sasuke fans dont are so enamored in sasuke that they dont see that sasuke is "bad" and justify mass murder of innocents. They dont understand that sasuke is like a rabid dog that endangers innocent lifes and must be eliminated, unless he changes. Just like raikage tried to kill naruto when he thought that naruto wld endanger innocent lives.

 

[Tartarus]

The reason the kids were killed is because they would grow up and do exactly what sasuke is doing now seeking answering and planning revenge so the village choose the safest choice for the village

NO, the only reason Sasuke is an avenger is because Itachi forced that identity on him. The other kids would have most likely been raised by konoha and had been integrated back into the village. The fact you justify murdering children shows you've been severely twisted. Don't' give me that greater good bs, every evil in history justifies atrocities with that excuse. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, they've used that logic,and look where it lead, even more bloodshed.

 

[SuperDouchebag]

Once Sasuke gets Revenge then he will be cool again

Sasuke got his revenge on Itachi and he became an even bigger ******* than before. I wonder what happens to him if he destroys the leaf village..... -.-

 

[Tartarus]

Ur quite right, sasuke was misguided but his arrogance wont let him listen to reason, but not even itachi can influance him see:

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he says it himself he wont listen to itachi. But these sasuke fans dont are so enamored in sasuke that they dont see that sasuke is "bad" and justify mass murder of innocents.

I can't speak for all Sasuke fans but most us aren't saying Sasuke is "right" but simply that his motive is understandable. Konoha tried to kill every last Uchiha so Sasuke plans to do the same to konoha. It's not right but makes sense for his character. I take pride in being a Sasuke fan since I actually try to understand those who are misguided, that doesn't mean I agree with him.

 

[Sephy100]

My logic hit it right on the head
Sasuke doesn't want to make right all he wants is to make everybody feel what he has felt
Continuing along this cycle , people he hurts will want to do the same and it will just continue ... which shows how childish he is
if sasuke was a real soldier he would be dead along time ago for even thinking those thoughts

Sasuke originally said that he just wanted to kill the heads of the village that put Itachi in that tough decision. And how can you even try to blame Sasuke when he's not apart of the village? He ha no friends or family so he's not tethered to anyone there. He's a missing-nin so how is he being childish? Why not put yourself in his shoes. I can understand if you used Naruto instead of Sasuke but everyone just finds someway to diss Sasuke.

 

[Yondaime Namikaze]

Thats the dilemma we have deal with here, to save life of 1000s in exchange of life of 100s when each life is equally precious and beautiful.

Exactly , its a hard choice isnt it ? both sides are wrong and right in their own way

u don't get it....

this is why people like sasuke negato tobi hanzo and even danzo exist....

the ninja system created hate sasuke is just another product

the war is to end the cycle destroying the leaf is sasukes answer just like negato SO WHY DONT PEOLPE HATE HIM?

Because nagato did want revenge but he also had meaning behind him , he ultimately wanting to create a sense of peace . All sasuke say is i'll make you feel my pain and soo forth thats childish , atleast nagato understood what his family was a victim too

 

[SasukexNeji]

Sasuke haters aren't worth the dog shit on the soles of my dirty boots.

 

[Fearmonger]

Soildier's brothers don't kill their own family...

 

[Yondaime Namikaze]

Sasuke originally said that he just wanted to kill the heads of the village that put Itachi in that tough decision. And how can you even try to blame Sasuke when he's not apart of the village? He ha no friends or family so he's not tethered to anyone there. He's a missing-nin so how is he being childish? Why not put yourself in his shoes. I can understand if you used Naruto instead of Sasuke but everyone just finds someway to diss Sasuke.

I have no prob with sasuke as a character all i hate is his logic and the way he weighs things , he has gone through alot i admit that but that doesnt make it right

 

[Sasunarufan13]

U guys are not even fanboys, ur a homicidal maniacs, world is not about revenge u know, just by agreeing to the fact that sasuke has a right to kill everyone in the village, not only the responsible ones, u prove u have no sense of justice. U and some others need therapy immediately. I shudder to think what u guys will grow up to be . . . . U may even justify Laden had a right to blow up the twin towers.

By saying that we understand why Sasuke wants to kill the whole village, doesn't mean we agree with what he does and saying that he has a right to do that. Of course he doesn't have the right to kill a whole bunch of innocent people. But we do understand (at least the ones who take the time to try and understand his character and not just look at what he says or does) why he wants that kind of revenge. Understanding and agreeing is something entirely else. You can understand why someone would do that, but that doesn't mean you agree with that person. Again, the world is not black and white. Practically everyone lives in a grey area, where one decision or situation can influence someone's life and decisions. Sasuke is a perfect example of being a character in the grey area.

I can't speak for all Sasuke fans but most us aren't saying Sasuke is "right" but simply that his motive is understandable. Konoha tried to kill every last Uchiha so Sasuke plans to do the same to konoha. It's not right but makes sense for his character. I take pride in being a Sasuke fan since I actually try to understand those who are misguided, that doesn't mean I agree with him.

^This is someone I agree with. Problem on this base is that very few people actually try to understand the characters. If people would try, I don't think a lot of Naruto vs Sasuke threads would have been made

 

[Anorien16]

NO, the only reason Sasuke is an avenger is because Itachi forced that identity on him. The other kids would have most likely been raised by konoha and had been integrated back into the village. The fact you justify murdering children shows you've been severely twisted. Don't' give me that greater good bs, every evil in history justifies atrocities with that excuse. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, they've used that logic,and look where it lead, even more bloodshed.

I agree, bloodshed is never justified by any facts, its just a sad necessity at extreme situations and sasuke was definately manipulated after he killed itachi. Itachi wanted sasuke to reform the uchiha clan, which wld be better accepted in konoha as sasuke didnt have any connection with the coup and as the clan will be small and not considered a threat untill everyone forgets these incidents, so the clan wld survive and have a better name and also bcos sasuke wld be hero who killed the 'criminal' uchiha.

 

[Yondaime Namikaze]

I can't speak for all Sasuke fans but most us aren't saying Sasuke is "right" but simply that his motive is understandable. Konoha tried to kill every last Uchiha so Sasuke plans to do the same to konoha. It's not right but makes sense for his character. I take pride in being a Sasuke fan since I actually try to understand those who are misguided, that doesn't mean I agree with him.

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The sadness that is humanity sadly more people share your view

 

[Redd]

Sasuke haters aren't worth the dog shit on the soles of my dirty boots.

Epic quote! Gon rep you once I learn how. It's funny how you don't see them dissing Mr.Freeze like that even tho they have soo much in common.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

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The sadness that is humanity sadly more people share your view

Please tell me what was wrong with that post? As far as I could see, it delivered a good, logical response

 

[Eano]

uh... U_U nope U_U

 

[Anorien16]

By saying that we understand why Sasuke wants to kill the whole village, doesn't mean we agree with what he does and saying that he has a right to do that. Of course he doesn't have the right to kill a whole bunch of innocent people. But we do understand (at least the ones who take the time to try and understand his character and not just look at what he says or does) why he wants that kind of revenge. Understanding and agreeing is something entirely else. You can understand why someone would do that, but that doesn't mean you agree with that person. Again, the world is not black and white. Practically everyone lives in a grey area, where one decision or situation can influence someone's life and decisions. Sasuke is a perfect example of being a character in the grey area.



^This is someone I agree with. Problem on this base is that very few people actually try to understand the characters. If people would try, I don't think a lot of Naruto vs Sasuke threads would have been made

I think u make a lot of sense here: sasuke really is a poor, repeatedly manipulated boy and needs love and understanding more than most (but he rejects both), but when a child refuses medicine he must be force fed. He is 'right' to punish the criminals but 'wrong' to kill the innocents. So now the big question: when he turns 'wrong' is it safe and 'right' to let him live so that he may kill innocents?

 

[Yondaime Namikaze]

Please tell me what was wrong with that post? As far as I could see, it delivered a good, logical response

Theres really nothing wrong with it except logic like that is the reason peace will never exist

 

[Sasunarufan13]

I think u make a lot of sense here: sasuke really is a poor, repeatedly manipulated boy and needs love and understanding more than most, but when a child refuses medicine he must be force fed. He is 'right' to punish the criminals but 'wrong' to kill the innocents. So now the big question: when he turns 'wrong' is it safe and 'right' to let him live so that he may kill innocents?

No, it's not right to let him kill innocent people. However so far he hasn't killed anyone who was innocent. Him wanting revenge and exactly extracting it, is still something completely different. For all we know, Naruto may actually be able to convince him not to kill the village. Or he'll stop him right before he attacks the innocent
@Yondaime Namikaze: peace will never exist, simply for the fact that people can't accept that someone lives his or her life different than theirs. Plus humankind is very greedy and wants what it can't have, as shown repeatedly during history. A peaceful world is a utopia, unfortunately. The way people are living now, there probably won't ever be peace, no matter how much we wish for it

 

[Anorien16]

No, it's not right to let him kill innocent people. However so far he hasn't killed anyone who was innocent. Him wanting revenge and exactly extracting it, is still something completely different. For all we know, Naruto may actually be able to convince him not to kill the village. Or he'll stop him right before he attacks the innocent
@Yondaime Namikaze: peace will never exist, simply for the fact that people can't accept that someone lives his or her life different than theirs. Plus humankind is very greedy and wants what it can't have, as shown repeatedly during history. A peaceful world is a utopia, unfortunately. The way people are living now, there probably won't ever be peace, no matter how much we wish for it

Well if naruto manages to to convince sasuke otherwise it wld be good cos he has got hell lot of potential and talents to be wasted on this stupid things. He can also some how make the elders confess their crimes (and have them publicly executed, they are old anyway) and be accepted. (i m sure villagers wld accept and sympathise with him when they learns the truth, and his other crimes MAYBE forgiven for his help in the war {if he is really sincere} and can blame tobi's manipulation)

 

[Yondaime Namikaze]

No, it's not right to let him kill innocent people. However so far he hasn't killed anyone who was innocent. Him wanting revenge and exactly extracting it, is still something completely different. For all we know, Naruto may actually be able to convince him not to kill the village. Or he'll stop him right before he attacks the innocent
@Yondaime Namikaze: peace will never exist, simply for the fact that people can't accept that someone lives his or her life different than theirs. Plus humankind is very greedy and wants what it can't have, as shown repeatedly during history. A peaceful world is a utopia, unfortunately. The way people are living now, there probably won't ever be peace, no matter how much we wish for it

Let me run some unwritten history for you

People used to be without rules and foundation and the reason you stated above brought about wars over land , women , beliefs etc
So the creators of this society came up with the best ideology that would maintain peace to a constant level not to high not to low , and i could go on for days but .... im tired i've been explaining for hrs