Sasuke's logic ( Is everyone in naruto a b****)

[Sasunarufan13]

Well if naruto manages to to convince sasuke otherwise it wld be good cos he has got hell lot of potential and talents to be wasted on this stupid things.

I would be very surprised if Kishimoto-sensei decided to kill off Sasuke. Plus I can't see Naruto killing someone he considers his best friend and certainly not someone who was one of the first people he had a real bond with. So that leaves Naruto chatting with his big mouth as usual
@Yondaime Kamikaze: yes and their best ideology hasn't brought any change to the world. Countries still distrust each other, there are still wars going on and that won't ever change. Sorry, but I'm not impressed with their best ideology. I just see humankind for what it is: greedy and violent *shrugs* You can disagree with me, but that's just my opinion.

 

[teetooktier]

I fail to see how Sasuke can claim to love his brother and simultaneously oppose everything he stood for. IMO Sasuke is deluded as to who his brother his.

 

[Anorien16]

I fail to see how Sasuke can claim to love his brother and simultaneously oppose everything he stood for. IMO Sasuke is deluded as to who his brother his.

I told u the poor boy is nuts, he has been manipulated so many times. He has now become a criminal with no real purpose in life. So he turns to only thing he can do, take his so called vengeance all the while getting himself in more trouble. In fact, after he manages to crush konoha what purpose wld he have? nothing, he wld be a empty shell of a man, hunted and hated by all.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

I fail to see how Sasuke can claim to love his brother and simultaneously oppose everything he stood for. IMO Sasuke is deluded as to who his brother his.

Well, it's because he loves Itachi that he wants to get revenge. I know that Itachi said he wanted Sasuke to have a good life and forget about revenge, but he should have realized that Sasuke wouldn't give up that easily. It's because Sasuke loves his brother, that he wants to avenge him. In his eyes, it's the council's fault that his brother and family is dead (and well, he has a point there) so he wants to take revenge on them :shrug:

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

Exactly , its a hard choice isnt it ? both sides are wrong and right in their own way



Because nagato did want revenge but he also had meaning behind him , he ultimately wanting to create a sense of peace . All sasuke say is i'll make you feel my pain and soo forth thats childish , atleast nagato understood what his family was a victim too

its the same thing don't try to bend things ur way negato wanted revenge just like sasuke at the end of the day j-man couldn't stop that the same exact way itachi can't stop sasuke peace is an additional aspect just like tobi/madara

 

[Anorien16]

Well, it's because he loves Itachi that he wants to get revenge. I know that Itachi said he wanted Sasuke to have a good life and forget about revenge, but he should have realized that Sasuke wouldn't give up that easily. It's because Sasuke loves his brother, that he wants to avenge him. In his eyes, it's the council's fault that his brother and family is dead (and well, he has a point there) so he wants to take revenge on them :shrug:

But it is Itachi's fault too, if itachi really WANTED to save the uchiha clan he cld have warned his clan members and mount the coup attacks that very night. But he didnt, for all uchiha deaths itachi, danzo, the elders and root all others is responsible but none others. If sasuke kills them only it wont be much disputed but he wants to kill everyone so its unacceptable. I say again what the ramen man do? or Asuma's kid? or konohamaru?

 

[Sasunarufan13]

But it is Itachi's fault too, if itachi really WANTED to save the uchiha clan he cld have warned his clan members and mount the coup attacks that very night. But he didnt, for all uchiha deaths: itachi, danzo, the elders and root is responsible but none others.

Wasn't he against the coup in the first place? Itachi is the perfect example of a shinobi who's cut his emotions off. He got the order, didn't agree with the plan of his clan and decided to go through with the order. Well partly, he still let his brother live of course.

 

[teetooktier]

Well, it's because he loves Itachi that he wants to get revenge. I know that Itachi said he wanted Sasuke to have a good life and forget about revenge, but he should have realized that Sasuke wouldn't give up that easily. It's because Sasuke loves his brother, that he wants to avenge him. In his eyes, it's the council's fault that his brother and family is dead (and well, he has a point there) so he wants to take revenge on them :shrug:

Your post pre-assumes that Sasuke does in fact love the real Itachi. How can he, when he hates and wants to destroy everything Itachi loves? This does not fit into the definition of love. At best Sasuke feels nostalgic affection for Itachi.

 

[Anorien16]

Wasn't he against the coup in the first place? Itachi is the perfect example of a shinobi who's cut his emotions off. He got the order, didn't agree with the plan of his clan and decided to go through with the order. Well partly, he still let his brother live of course.

Well thats hold him responsible for his actions, as he was not forced and chose his path.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

Your post pre-assumes that Sasuke does in fact love the real Itachi. How can he, when he hates and wants to destroy everything Itachi loves? This does not fit into the definition of love. At best Sasuke feels nostalgic affection for Itachi.

You don't seem to get my point. Sasuke loves Itachi and that's why he wants revenge. You may not see it like that, but Sasuke wants to revenge his brother's death. If he didn't love him, he wouldn't have bothered - or would have just killed the Council and be done with it. He got to hear why his brother did those things and wants to revenge him.
Yes, it's a ****ed up view, but that's just how Sasuke works. He's been on his own after the massacre, a kid that young shouldn't have been forced to go through all that. Now he wants to get revenge for his clan and for the brother he admired and loved. He cares and loves Itachi, he just thinks that Itachi is wrong in wanting to just let Konoha be. It makes a bit of sense in a ****ed up way. At least it does in my opinion :shrug:
@Anorien16 : well, as a shinobi, you normally don't have a choice. If you get an order, you have to do it or risk the consequences. The council just had an easy time with making Itachi accept the order because Itachi was already against the plan from the beginning.

 

[Anorien16]

You don't seem to get my point. Sasuke loves Itachi and that's why he wants revenge. You may not see it like that, but Sasuke wants to revenge his brother's death. If he didn't love him, he wouldn't have bothered - or would have just killed the Council and be done with it. He got to hear why his brother did those things and wants to revenge him.
Yes, it's a ****ed up view, but that's just how Sasuke works. He's been on his own after the massacre, a kid that young shouldn't have been forced to go through all that. Now he wants to get revenge for his clan and for the brother he admired and loved. He cares and loves Itachi, he just thinks that Itachi is wrong in wanting to just let Konoha be. It makes a bit of sense in a ****ed up way. At least it does in my opinion :shrug:
@Anorien16 : well, as a shinobi, you normally don't have a choice. If you get an order, you have to do it or risk the consequences. The council just had an easy time with making Itachi accept the order because Itachi was already against the plan from the beginning.

Well u can always disobey ur orders (which Itachi did as he left one uchiha alive) when ur gona be criminal anyway. Well, sasuke quite dont love itachi that way cos he does not care about itachi's happiness. I think itachi wld have died in peace if he knew sasuke was going along his wishes. Also this itachi-itachi is a only cover, doesnt blood of his parents and the the innocents killed cry out for vengence? Sasuke doesnt seem to care about them much. They are inculded only as an after-thought and only due to pride in his uchiha name. itachi chose his path and still supports his decitions and if sasuke loved him and cared for his hapiness he wld follow that.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

Well u can always disobey ur orders (which Itachi did as he left one uchiha alive) when ur gona be criminal anyway. Well, sasuke quite dont love itachi that way cos he does not care about itachi's happiness. I think itachi wld have died in peace if he knew sasuke was going along his wishes. Also this itachi-itachi is a only cover, doesnt blood of his parents and the the innocents killed cry out for vengence? Sasuke doesnt seem to care about them much. They are inculded only as an after-thought and only due to pride in his uchiha name. itachi chose his path and still supports his decitions and if sasuke loved him and cared for his hapiness he wld follow that.

He probably cares about Itachi's happiness, but he can't forgive the council for taking away his family. So even when he cares about Itachi, he's still going to avenge his clan, simply because that's what he considers as right. He wants others to feel how he feels and he can only achieve that (in his mind) if he does what the council did to him: taking away innocent people and people who he loved.
I don't say I agree with him, I just say that's how he probably thinks

 

[Anorien16]

He probably cares about Itachi's happiness, but he can't forgive the council for taking away his family. So even when he cares about Itachi, he's still going to avenge his clan, simply because that's what he considers as right. He wants others to feel how he feels and he can only achieve that (in his mind) if he does what the council did to him: taking away innocent people and people who he loved.
I don't say I agree with him, I just say that's how he probably thinks

He probably thinks that way only, but he is dead wrong there, no one wld deny his revenge against the council, but killing all others! it can not be even be imagined to be right in anyway (Except by some sasuke fans).

 

[Sasunarufan13]

He probably thinks that way only, but he is dead wrong there, no one wld deny his revenge against the council, but killing all others! it can not be even be imagined to be right in anyway (Except by some sasuke fans).

I agree that he shouldn't kill the innocent ones, but that's just how Sasuke thinks: an eye for an eye (or well, innocent people for innocent people). That's just how his mind works. I understand why he thinks like that, however I don't agree with it.

 

[Anorien16]

I agree that he shouldn't kill the innocent ones, but that's just how Sasuke thinks: an eye for an eye (or well, innocent people for innocent people). That's just how his mind works. I understand why he thinks like that, however I don't agree with it.

That kind of thinking wld make him evil and as lowly as danzo and as u know evil never prospers.

 

[LostForver06]

Ur quite right, sasuke was misguided but his arrogance wont let him listen to reason, but not even itachi can influance him see:

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he says it himself he wont listen to itachi. But these sasuke fans dont are so enamored in sasuke that they dont see that sasuke is "bad" and justify mass murder of innocents. They dont understand that sasuke is like a rabid dog that endangers innocent lifes and must be eliminated, unless he changes. Just like raikage tried to kill naruto when he thought that naruto wld endanger innocent lives.

^Well I speak for myself when I say I am not one of those Sasuke fans who justify him as "bad." I am not saying he is right with his logic, but the moitive behind it is to be expected given everything he has been through. As far as murder, well before this chapter Sasuke didn't kill anyone just because. He killed Orochimaru, but he was a wanted man anyway. He killed Danzo, but he had his own reason for it, like the saying "an eye for an eye." Cliche as that line sounded I am just proving my point. So Sasuke never killed innocent lives, only those deemed to be in his way of revenge. Now, as a Sasuke fan, I don't really agree why he feels the need to kill the entire village. It's a character flaw, but an understandable one I suppose and it doesn't change my view on him. Basically, Sasuke is a very distraut person.

I can't speak for all Sasuke fans but most us aren't saying Sasuke is "right" but simply that his motive is understandable. Konoha tried to kill every last Uchiha so Sasuke plans to do the same to konoha. It's not right but makes sense for his character. I take pride in being a Sasuke fan since I actually try to understand those who are misguided, that doesn't mean I agree with him.

^ Nicely said . This is what I was trying to get at pretty much.

 

[Anorien16]

^Well I speak for myself when I say I am not one of those Sasuke fans who justify him as "bad." I am not saying he is right with his logic, but the moitive behind it is to be expected given everything he has been through. As far as murder, well before this chapter Sasuke didn't kill anyone just because. He killed Orochimaru, but he was a wanted man anyway. He killed Danzo, but he had his own reason for it, like the saying "an eye for an eye." Cliche as that line sounded I am just proving my point. So Sasuke never killed innocent lives, only those deemed to be in his way of revenge. Now, as a Sasuke fan, I don't really understand why he feels the need to kill the entire village. It's a character flaw, but an understandable one I suppose and it doesn't change my view on him. Basically, Sasuke is a very distraut person.


^ Nicely said . This is what I was trying to get at pretty much.

Also didnt i say poor boy's actions are understandable though not agreeable, also only the council participated in this massacare, so they in a way deserve to be killed by sasuke and none wld deny that.
Also, u r right sasuke wasnt that much of a criminal untill he attacked bee and the kage summit and revealed himself to be in league with tobi who declared the war.(remember he tried to kill all the kages, and that was without provocation and reason) So he is a wanted man now.
Also as a man of peace and reason i really hope sasuke sees the error of his ways and tries make amends, and others forgive him. Cos sasuke has great power and potential to good things too and uchiha clan must not be allowed to die out or the sage's legacy will be forever lost.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

That kind of thinking wld make him evil and as lowly as danzo and as u know evil never prospers.

Evil never prospers in fiction, no, but it does in real life.
Anyway, I'm not sure if you would call him really evil. He doesn't do it, because he's a mindless murderer, he just considers it adequate revenge for the massacre of his clan. There's a slight difference between killing because you can and killing because you want revenge. Sasuke falls into that second category. He's focused on his revenge. I don't think he enjoys the thought of killing, but killing those people would serve his need for revenge.
At the moment he doesn't care about anything else than his revenge and if killing let's him fulfill that desire, he will do it. He'll be considered evil for that and a cold hearted murderer, but then people would have to ask themselves if the rest of Konoha aren't murderers too. They are shinobi and therefore are eventually required to take missions where they have to kill other shinobis. Their village would still consider them as good people because they did it to protect the village, but the family of those people whom they killed, will consider them as cold hearted murderers.
Murder is still murder, no matter the reason. Be it protecting your village or seeking revenge, in the end it comes down to the fact that they killed people.
The only reason why Sasuke gets grief for his desire to kill the whole village, is because we don't condone the murder of innocent people. Yet, that is what happened when they killed the Uchiha clan. Yes, the culprits were of that clan, but most of them wanted to live in peace, yet they didn't get that chance.
So, even though Sasuke has a ****ed up view of justice, in a way he does what shinobi do all the time, only he follows no orders of a village.
Hm, not sure if my point came across. Sorry if I confused you ^^;
Anyway, I don't say he's allowed to kill the entire village, I just understand why he would do that.

 

[AirYeezy]

sasuke is confused

 

[LostForver06]

Also didnt i say poor boy's actions are understandable though not agreeable, also only the council participated in this massacare, so they in a way deserve to be killed by sasuke and none wld deny that.
Also, u r right sasuke wasnt that much of a criminal untill he attacked bee and the kage summit and revealed himself to be in league with tobi who declared the war.(remember he tried to kill all the kages, and that was without provocation and reason) So he is a wanted man now.
Also as a man of peace and reason i really hope sasuke sees the error of his ways and tries make amends, and others forgive him. Cos sasuke has great power and potential to good things too and uchiha clan must not be allowed to die out or the sage's legacy will be forever lost.

^ He attacked Bee, yes, but didn't kill him. The reason was to aid Tobi in capturing the tailed beasts. So yes that would put him in the wanted list. Attacking the Kage Summit, he was only trying to go after Danzo. The others at the Kage Summit were getting in his way and trying to stop him so he attacked them as well. Although they were the ones really doing damage to Sasuke, not the other way around. As much as I also want Sasuke to see the light, I don't see it happening. Especially after this latest chapter, all hope is gone for Sasuke. Unless, Naruto can somehow finally convince him. It all depends on him now.