Hiruzen

[Owarij]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

onoki at like, 80 years old is currently saving kages in their prime (mei and A). so take your old age and shove it

Any ******* would not only realize that people age differently, But there is a complete difference from part 1 to 2...



So come again with a better point instead of reciting the same old crap constantly

 

[Seraphiel]

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Very true my friend. The hiruzen hype is getting way to out of hand U_U

Kishimoto himself said that Prime Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage of all time. If he wanted to make Sakura the strongest Ninja in the whole Narutoverse, you'd have to eat it because he said it. End of story.

Saying that Hashirama > Prime Hiruzen is going against Kishimoto's word. U_U

 

[Ike]

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That would be a great match. Onoki's Dust Release is not something to take lightly. Madara is just the perfect counter with his Rinnegan.



Bee never countered FTG. Minato had to retreat from that battle. If he had continued with that fight, the whole thing could have caused a greater problem. Minato had the chance and skill to kill Raikage V2 and Bee.

Don't underestimate Hiruzen or Minato.

Who's underestimating anyone? Bee demonstrated the obvious way to counter FTG. Predicting where the enemy will appear from the seal and strike. It's simple to understand.

Minato had a kunai to Bee while Bee had a knife to Minato. Bee countered FTG. U_U

 

[Sonin]

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Any ******* would not only realize that people age differently, But there is a complete difference from part 1 to 2...



So come again with a better point instead of reciting the same old crap constantly

i agree. Sorry about my minato example btw. I was just saying Hiruzen was and is just all together better rounded so no reason to argue who beats who

 

[Seraphiel]

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Who's underestimating anyone? Bee demonstrated the obvious way to counter FTG. Predicting where the enemy will appear from the seal and strike. It's simple to understand.

Minato had a kunai to Bee while Bee had a knife to Minato. Bee countered FTG. U_U

I know it's simple to understand, but Minato wasn't going for the kill. He could have killed them both right from the beginning, but he didn't. He had to retreat from that fight the moment he knew that Bee was the Jinchuriki.

 

[Ike]

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I know it's simple to understand, but Minato wasn't going for the kill. He could have killed them both right from the beginning, but he didn't. He had to retreat from that fight the moment he knew that Bee was the Jinchuriki.

I never said Bee would beat Minato did I

 

[Melizzle]

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Any ******* would not only realize that people age differently, But there is a complete difference from part 1 to 2...



So come again with a better point instead of reciting the same old crap constantly

While in our world that's true, I don't feel like it fits so much in the narutoverse, not cos it isnt true but because ppl keep overcoming that mess. Ooonoki keeps saying hes tired and oh his back but then he keeps whippin out something awesome. Jiraya was past his prime but still kept fighting and summoning strength he supposedly didn't have til his last breath as well. Whether Hiruzen was old or not he was still considered the strongest hokage and deemed strong enough to protect the village in his advanced age. And its not like Orochimaru was a spring chicken either.

 

[Seraphiel]

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I never said Bee would beat Minato did I

You kind of implied it when you said that Bee had a knife to Minato.

 

[Ike]

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You kind of implied it when you said that Bee had a knife to Minato.

I'm sorry you took it that way. I was simply saying Bee demonstrated the way to counter FTG and that it's not invincible. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Owarij]

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While in our world that's true, I don't feel like it fits so much in the narutoverse, not cos it isnt true but because ppl keep overcoming that mess. Ooonoki keeps saying hes tired and oh his back but then he keeps whippin out something awesome. Jiraya was past his prime but still kept fighting and summoning strength he supposedly didn't have til his last breath as well. Whether Hiruzen was old or not he was still considered the strongest hokage and deemed strong enough to protect the village in his advanced age. And its not like Orochimaru was a spring chicken either.

The only reason onoki is still up is because tsunade is giving him chakra...

I know it's simple to understand, but Minato wasn't going for the kill. He could have killed them both right from the beginning, but he didn't. He had to retreat from that fight the moment he knew that Bee was the Jinchuriki.

There was no moment in that fight that minato could kill them both if he wanted to.... The one kunai he was going to hit the raiakge would have done nothing.... A kunai isn't harming raikage sorry to say... he would have realized that first hand since he had no knowledge on raikage other than his speed....
Sasuke's chidori only cut raikage a little bit... and lightning is supposed to counter lightning at times...

 

[EliteKakashi]

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well idk Hiruzen is considered the strongest yet Oonoki who is roughly the same age, seems to be doing alright with a Madara who is much more advanced than orochimaru was. Yeah he took the summons, but he didn't take Orochimaru and then he didnt even permanently take away his hands so....what does that tell you?

Age has effected everyone differently in this manga. For one reason or another, it took a big tole on Hiruzen. No idea why. It's likely he just gave up training once Minato took over. Onoki on the other hand stayed kage, and had to keep "in shape" for lack of better words.

He took his arms and put Orochimaru in a weakened state, where the ANBU should have been able to take him out. But those weak *******s got owned by kidomaru.

Orochimaru underestimated Hiruzen. He waited til Hiruzen hit that age and thought it'd be a walk in the park. It turned out not to be.

Orochimaru is an extremely intelligent and extremely strong ninja, but went in to that fight completely over confident and Hiruzen showed why, even in his old age, he was respected as one of the strongest. He'd do anything to save his village and win the fight.

 

[Seraphiel]

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I'm sorry you took it that way. I was simply saying Bee demonstrated the way to counter FTG nothing more and nothing less.

Cool. But what I've bee trying to say is that Minato was never going for the kill. I don't believe that a single person in a 1 vs. 1 with Minato will be able to predict where Minato will come out next. Naruto has a chance of learning FTG; maybe we'll see if it could actually be countered.

There was no moment in that fight that minato could kill them both if he wanted to.... The one kunai he was going to hit the raiakge would have done nothing.... A kunai isn't harming raikage sorry to say... he would have realized that first hand since he had no knowledge on raikage other than his speed....
Sasuke's chidori only cut raikage a little bit... and lightning is supposed to counter lightning at times...

That's only if it's actually stronger, but Sasuke's Chidori is not stronger than Raikage's Armor. Minato was actually able to completely sever one of Bee's tentacles. I believe Minato would have been able to deal more damage than Sasuke's Chidori. But these are just opinions.

 

[Melizzle]

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The only reason onoki is still up is because tsunade is giving him chakra...

They're fighting a much stronger opponent though. In no way am I saying Madara and Oro are equals. I'm saying that Onoki is doing well against someone much stronger while put in the same position as Hiruzen. From what we've seen would you think that Onoki might've gave Oro more of a fight? I do...

 

[Owarij]

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Cool. But what I've bee trying to say is that Minato was never going for the kill. I don't believe that a single person in a 1 vs. 1 with Minato will be able to predict where Minato will come out next. Naruto has a chance of learning FTG; maybe we'll see if it could actually be countered.



That's only if it's actually stronger, but Sasuke's Chidori is not stronger than Raikage's Armor. Minato was actually able to completely sever one of Bee's tentacles. I believe Minato would have been able to deal more damage than Sasuke's Chidori. But these are just opinions.

Sasuke's chidori spear also sliced off bee's tentacle easily...

And his chidor only cut raikage a little..

A non chakra infused kunai was going to do NOTHING......

They're fighting a much stronger opponent though. In no way am I saying Madara and Oro are equals. I'm saying that Onoki is doing well against someone much stronger while put in the same position as Hiruzen. From what we've seen would you think that Onoki might've gave Oro more of a fight? I do...

If the edo's were +Ed to part 2 scale, oonoki would be in the same predicament... bringer of darkness to make him blind and moukoton to restrain him and stop his dust attacks..The edo's only sucked because part 1 fighting sucked....
If the fight happened in part 2, things on the scale of flower world, tobirama's s/t etc. would come into play.. things kishi thought of afterwards,,,

 

[Seraphiel]

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Sasuke's chidori spear also sliced off bee's tentacle easily...

And his chidor only cut raikage a little..

A non chakra infused kunai was going to do NOTHING......

That Kunai could have cut through. I won't say that it will cut through, but you can't say that it won't. Too bad Minato never showed his Kunais infused with his Chakra Nature.

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

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Jesus.. they were toying with him INSIDE bringer of darkness..

They could have ended it the moment he was in it.. by both of them using long range attacks such as moukoton and water bullet etc....

Instead of doing that, they came up close and toyed with him, punched, kicked etc.. That's what orochimaru meant.

Noone is denying at that part they toyed... Noone is saying that old ass hiruzen can beat two hokages....

However young hiruzen can solo each of them individually...

Not without any solid proof. For all we know prime hiruzens only feat over old hiruzen is that he can peel bananas faster

 

[Draegod]

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Sasuke's chidori spear also sliced off bee's tentacle easily...

And his chidor only cut raikage a little..

A non chakra infused kunai was going to do NOTHING......




If the edo's were +Ed to part 2 scale, oonoki would be in the same predicament... bringer of darkness to make him blind and moukoton to restrain him and stop his dust attacks..The edo's only sucked because part 1 fighting sucked....
If the fight happened in part 2, things on the scale of flower world, tobirama's s/t etc. would come into play.. things kishi thought of afterwards,,,

Too add to what you said, sasuke also used a chidori sword and it bounsed off raikage like a ball!

No kunai that has been shown could hurt A through that armour.

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Keep in mind this is the same sword that cut many other things with ease!

 

[Shinozgr8]

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let me make one thing painfully clear..

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this states in black and white that oro and hokages were in fact toying since they wanted to see what hiruzen was capable of. and during most of the fight oro was standing around mocking hiruzen instead of getting himself involved. probably because he felt hashirama alone would be enough. tobirama only did one offensive jutsu then spent the rest of the match using just taijutsu. would oro who is intending to kill hiruzen as fast as possible really make the hokages only use taijutsu when hiruzens permanently trapped in darkness? would he really only use 2 or 3 jutsus of his own (hidden snake hands, edo tensei, longsword of the sky) if he really wanted to finish it as soon as possible? he didnt even cancel edo tensei to save his summons meaning he thought he could handle it without them. would the legendaru senju hashirama whos cells oro has studied really only use one mokuton ninjutsu, and not his other abilities? hiruzen appealed to his interest in seeing a jutus he hadnt before, and thats it. if he wanted he could have ended it then and there and hiruzen cant do anything about it

Oro would have killed the old man if he were serious...that's a no brainer...he was toying with hiruzen from the very start...

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[USSJ Future Trunks]

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Orochimaru (+ Edo Hashirama +Edo Tobirama) was defeated by Old Hiruzen.

how so? whos dead and whos alive? and who had to kill themselves? kabuto knows damn well hiruzen sealed both hokages and guess who he hypes more? hashirama

 

[Seraphiel]

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Too add to what you said, sasuke also used a chidori sword and it bounsed off raikage like a ball!

No kunai that has been shown could hurt A through that armour.

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Keep in mind this is the same sword that cut many other things with ease!

I guess that's true, but Kunai or no Kunai, Minato has more than that.

He has all this that can make him with the fight with ease.

Food Cart Destroyer: This crushed Kurama(100%). I believe it won't have any problem crushing the Eight Tails.

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Rasengan: His Rasengan is probably double or triple the size of Naruto's Original Rasengan. This has a very high chance of causing high damage to Raikage V2.

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His speed(FTG) is superior to Raikage V2. And that Kunai could have been a Rasengan instead.

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Space-Time Barrier for the Eight's TBB.
He has extremely strong Summons.

etc, etc.

I can't put anymore into this post. But you see my point? Minato clearly takes this.