Who can actually counter this?

[Prince of Persia TTT]

false. tobi doesnt have to touch them :sy:

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he isnt touching danzo's subordinate

bro you trolling right??
he needs to be close to them and that too is not happening
or are you trying to say tobi warps anyone by just looking at them?
:sy:

 

[james the fourth]

There is no need to dodge Shinra Tensei would take care of the problem.

@OP you said so yourself there is a 1-3 second window which is plenty of time for someone who is touched to use Shinra Tensei. No hand signs are needed for ST btw.

no no no, i just proved with a scan from the manga that tobi doesnt have to touch his victims to warp them

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he isnt touching fu when he is warping him is he?

 

[TobisPawn]

There is no need to dodge Shinra Tensei would take care of the problem.

@OP you said so yourself there is a 1-3 second window which is plenty of time for someone who is touched to use Shinra Tensei. No hand signs are needed for ST btw.

I assumed the 1-3 second window, so people wouldn't bash me for saying any less. If anything, its 1 second, or less than that to escape being warped.

But again, if they can't react, they can't Shinra Tensei. :shrug: And from what's shown, Minato barely being able to react after Tobi paused for awhile (Minato's reflexes >>> Madara or Nagato's through feats), pretty much proves that Madara and Nagato wouldn't be able to react in time to use Shinra Tensei.

And yeah, Shinra Tensei really automatically protects you, even if you can't react.. U_U

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[james the fourth]

bro you trolling right??
he needs to be close to them and that too is not happening
or are you trying to say tobi warps anyone by just looking at them?
:sy:

link for where it saids he has to be close *ill wait*

btw you said

he needs to be close to them and that too is not happening

pretty sure he was close to fu and turune?

 

[TobisPawn]

link for where it saids he has to be close *ill wait*

btw you said

he needs to be close to them and that too is not happening

pretty sure he was close to fu and turune?

He probably grabbed Fu with one of his hands without the panel showing it. Regardless, no one was/is able to dodge it, other then Minato, as shown by the manga.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Tobi talking didn't give Minato more of a chance to dodge being teleported, he reacted only from the start of the teleportation

I still believe Shinra Tensei could break his grip and save the 'victim', as they need no seals and purely just somewhat, 'strain' their eye (not quite sure what best describes what they do)

And people with perceptual abilities like Kabuto could avoid it, if his not even full form can dodge a Susano'o arrow, he is more than capable to dodge this abduction

 

[TrollingSage]

Bm Naruto. He can sense evil intentions. Or even Sm naruto since he's also a sensor.

 

[james the fourth]

He probably grabbed Fu with one of his hands without the panel showing it. Regardless, no one was/is able to dodge it, other then Minato, as shown by the manga.

speculation about the panel thing but were both on the same side here :noc:

pretty much if u have a s/t you can counter tobi's s/t

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

link for where it saids he has to be close *ill wait*

btw you said

he needs to be close to them and that too is not happening

pretty sure he was close to fu and turune?

bro he touched one of the guy on his back thats why he had to cut his hand
and you yourself have posted the manga pic where he is just behind the guys back to suck him in and I am pretty sure just watch the anime it will make it more clear
and btw i sense you are trying to prove here that tobi can warp anyone from any distance
am I correct??

 

[james the fourth]

bro he touched one of the guy on his back thats why he had to cut his hand
and you yourself have posted the manga pic where he is just behind the guys back to suck him in and I am pretty sure just watch the anime it will make it more clear
and btw i sense you are trying to prove here that tobi can warp anyone from any distance
am I correct??

no, not any distance thats dum maybe larger distance then what he has shown?

btw im prine charles

 

[TobisPawn]

speculation about the panel thing but were both on the same side here :noc:

pretty much if u have a s/t you can counter tobi's s/t

Yup. All there is to it.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

I never said automatically protects you. You assumed the 1-3 second thing and passed it off as fact just like everything else you and Evonne is saying. Now you are taking it back saying it is less than 1 second. I am out of here with retractions like that. Nagano was being controlled by Kabuto so it is Kabutos reactions that are slow plus you know that that panel was hardcore plot no jutsu Nagato had to go down somehow. And he doesn't have the sharingan to see chakra like Madara does. The other panels he didn't even need Shinra Tensei because he had other jutsu to save him or it was a clone. For this little argument I am saying Madara can use Shinra Tensei to counter this technique.

It is obvious to me "Tobispawn" that you want to convince everyone that Tobi is greater than basically everyone due to his S/T hence the who can counter this thread title. This is especially prudent right now since people are starting to say that Madara can beat Tobi - something I didn't think was true until I saw the Rinnegan. It is convenient hen that Madara can use ST to counter this attack so in no way does Tobi outright have Madara beat.

Madara is an excellent battle strategist and I am saying that when touched he COULD use Shinra Tensei to counter Tobis S/T jutsu despite the retractions. Madara is in battle, he'd expect an attack coming and Shinra Tensei would work.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

no, not any distance thats dum maybe larger distance then what he has shown?

btw im prine charles

Umm *tryin to remember*
prince charles you said?? *rings a bell* in my mind xdxd

if you say larger distance then it is just speculation bcoz till now nothing has been shown in the manga and we need to wait to prove your theory or say wild guess

and I strongly believe Naruto and Raikage can avoid his warping :noc:

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

Bm Naruto. He can sense evil intentions. Or even Sm naruto since he's also a sensor.

This^.

 

[james the fourth]

I never said automatically protects you. You assumed the 1-3 second thing and passed it off as fact just like everything else you and Evonne is saying. Now you are taking it back saying it is less than 1 second. I am out of here with retractions like that. Nagano was being controlled by Kabuto so it is Kabutos reactions that are slow plus you know that that panel was hardcore plot no jutsu Nagato had to go down somehow. And he doesn't have the sharingan to see chakra like Madara does. The other panels he didn't even need Shinra Tensei because he had other jutsu to save him or it was a clone. For this little argument I am saying Madara can use Shinra Tensei to counter this technique.

It is obvious to me "Tobispawn" that you want to convince everyone that Tobi is greater than basically everyone due to his S/T hence the who can counter this thread title. This is especially prudent right now since people are starting to say that Madara can beat Tobi - something I didn't think was true until I saw the Rinnegan. It is convenient hen that Madara can use ST to counter this attack so in no way does Tobi outright have Madara beat.

Madara is an excellent battle strategist and I am saying that when touched he COULD use Shinra Tensei to counter Tobis S/T jutsu despite the retractions. Madara is in battle, he'd expect an attack coming and Shinra Tensei would work.

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shinrei tensei needs a handseal to form by putting ones hands together as shown by pein.

how can one perform a handseal when their body is like this in a warping effect?

 

[james the fourth]

Umm *tryin to remember*
prince charles you said?? *rings a bell* in my mind xdxd

if you say larger distance then it is just speculation bcoz till now nothing has been shown in the manga and we need to wait to prove your theory or say wild guess

and I strongly believe Naruto and Raikage can avoid his warping :noc:

explain to me how raikage and naruto can avoid it?

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

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shinrei tensei needs a handseal to form by putting ones hands together as shown by pein.

how can one perform a handseal when their body is like this in a warping effect?

No shinra tensei doesnt needs hand seals
if you remember kakashi was using raikiri when pain blasted him and his mud wall along with everything

you are forgetting everything :flaw:

 

[james the fourth]

No shinra tensei doesnt needs hand seals
if you remember kakashi was using raikiri when pain blasted him and his mud wall along with everything

you are forgetting everything :flaw:

oh ffs i forgot about that arc :noc:

words from martin luther king NO ONE IS PERFECT :noc:

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

shinrei tensei needs a handseal to form by putting ones hands together as shown by pein.

how can one perform a handseal when their body is like this in a warping effect?

well FTG has a hand seal too doesn't it?

 

[TobisPawn]

I never said automatically protects you. You assumed the 1-3 second thing and passed it off as fact just like everything else you and Evonne is saying. Now you are taking it back saying it is less than 1 second. I am out of here with retractions like that. Nagano was being controlled by Kabuto so it is Kabutos reactions that are slow plus you know that that panel was hardcore plot no jutsu Nagato had to go down somehow. And he doesn't have the sharingan to see chakra like Madara does. The other panels he didn't even need Shinra Tensei because he had other jutsu to save him or it was a clone. For this little argument I am saying Madara can use Shinra Tensei to counter this technique.

It is obvious to me "Tobispawn" that you want to convince everyone that Tobi is greater than basically everyone due to his S/T hence the who can counter this thread title. This is especially prudent right now since people are starting to say that Madara can beat Tobi - something I didn't think was true until I saw the Rinnegan. It is convenient hen that Madara can use ST to counter this attack so in no way does Tobi outright have Madara beat.

Madara is an excellent battle strategist and I am saying that when touched he COULD use Shinra Tensei to counter Tobis S/T jutsu despite the retractions. Madara is in battle, he'd expect an attack coming and Shinra Tensei would work.

My bad. I won't mention any time then, seeing that I'm not sure. But from what the panels show, its fast enough for Fu and Torune not notice what's even happening...and I guess the most of the panels can be proven as plot/false, but the ones where Madara's clones couldn't react IMO shows something (possibly).

And I'm not saying Tobi's greater than anyone in the entire series, just through warping them. It can be seen coming if Madara has his eyes on Tobi when he initially warps, giving Madara time to use a Shinra Tensei. All I'm saying is if Tobi warps without Madara seeing/knowing, Madara would have to act on instinct over reflex (which he for sure can do), which won't always save him. There's no need to bring in my username into this debate; look at my sig. U_U

So yeah, I agree with your last paragraph. Madara for sure CAN use Shinra Tensei to counter it, but IMO it'd have to be based more on instinct than reflex. So I think Tobi, if he's constantly warping without Madara seeing/knowing (i.e. creating a destraction first), would eventually be able to get him, unless Madara's instinct works for him every time, which I don't see happening for sure. And for sure not with the 5 second interval on Shinra Tensei.

I guess I should reword my main post into involving something about how it most possibly can't be avoided through reflex, but through instinct it possibly can a few times. But instinct won't always save someone. And Shinra Tensei won't always either, if Tobi takes advantage of the 5 seconds.

well FTG has a hand seal too doesn't it?

Not when Minato dodged A or Tobi's chains (but when he landed, he had them).