Who can actually counter this?

[TobisPawn]

Naruto can do it

He doesn't have reflexes on par with Minato, nor an S/T tech. Also, he'd have to go in BM/KM first, in which by then he'd already be gone.

And including KM/BM already activated, he'd have to react in one-three seconds AND break Tobi's grip.

So you're saying Tobi hides in another dimension then suddenly appears directly in front of them, touches them, and warps them away while whoever is just dumbly standing there? No I don't think Tobi fights that way, but more importantly he has to touch them to warp them and in that little time space Shinra Tensei can be used it is simple. As soon as they are touched, Shinra Tensei and done, countered. You are so incredibly biased towards Tobi in this thread it is ridiculous, try to be practical.

No, but I'm saying that Tobi can warp behind the person without them even noticing, and then warp them away before they even realize what happened (Fu and Torune).

So you're saying Madara and Nagato have reflexes even greater than Minato, and an instant S/T like FTG? Tobi won't be stopping to talk, and Madara and Nagato won't even have a chance to react then, if Minato barely FTG'd away AFTER Tobi said a few words first. I'm not being biased at all, just looking at the facts (or manga drawings, or whatever you'd like to call them). U_U

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

I don't think Naruto would see it coming, if Fu and Torune (two elite root shinobi, and Danzo's bodyguards) didn't, until Torune was already practically gone.

So you are actually countering big names with just two elite shinobi that is fu and torune??
and these elite shinobi of yours are not also near to the big names the guys have suggested :sy:

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

Nobody

 

[Fearmonger]

Mü (Sensor type)

 

[TobisPawn]

So you are actually countering big names with just two elite shinobi that is fu and torune??
and these elite shinobi of yours are not also near to the big names the guys have suggested :sy:

Minato is quite a big name, right? How'd he barely get away, even with his reflexes, AFTER Tobi gave him time to react? Only through FTG.

Mü (Sensor type)

Tobi's chakra mark disappears when he warps and/or turns intangible.

 

[Prime Rib]

tobi had nothing on the 4th

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

No, but I'm saying that Tobi can warp behind the person without them even noticing, and then warp them away before they even realize what happened (Fu and Torune).

So you're saying Madara and Nagato have reflexes even greater than Minato, and an instant S/T like FTG? Tobi won't be stopping to talk, and Madara and Nagato won't even have a chance to react then, if Minato barely FTG'd away AFTER Tobi said a few words first. I'm not being biased at all. U_U

Shinra Tensei is instantaneous, thus it is not impractical to think they will counteract just as fast as Minato after they are touched. Might need a source saying Minato has the fastest reflexes of all time.

@Fu and Torune HE STILL TOUCHED THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO REACT DOES NOT MEAN RINNEGAN SHINRA TENSEI WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO (and it would save them too)

 

[TobisPawn]

tobi had nothing on the 4th

He didn't indeed (see sig below), except he would have had a much higher chance (and he could have done it) of warping Minato if he didn't stop and talk.

Shinra Tensei is instantaneous, thus it is not impractical to think they will counteract just as fast as Minato after they are touched. Might need a source saying Minato has the fastest reflexes of all time.

@Fu and Torune HE STILL TOUCHED THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO EAY TO REACT DOES NOT MEAN RINNEGAN HINRA TENSEI WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO (and it would save them too)

And neither Fu, nor Torune, seemed to be able to realize that Torune was warped, UNTIL he was actually gone. Or else Fu (who was pretty much standing right there) would've made an attempt to stop Tobi (too bad he didn't see him coming, or warping Torune).

And Shinra Tensei is only as fast as how fast the Rinnegan user can react. Its not some sort of auto defense mechanism. And I haven't seen anyone react to Raikage's V2 armor from only a few feet away, other than Minato and Tobi. Not only that, no one noticed him place hand seals on Bee. Its safe to say that his reflexes > Madara's and Nagato's, if he was able to avoid being warped by Tobi (something Fu and Torune didn't even notice). And its still highly possible that Minato would have indeed been warped if Tobi didn't grab him and talk a little first. And again, if Tobi doesn't bother to talk, and he appears behind Madara or Nagato, they're done for.

And if your Rinnegan users with what seem to be instant reflexes (U_U) manage to use Shinra Tensei, Tobi can turn intangible just as fast (he turned intangible to V2 A at a point blank distance).

 

[Deadai]

no tobi's whole existence and chakra erases when he uses s/t his untraceable. not even hinata's byakugan couldnt trace him during their encounter with him in the forest

But the thing is Kabuto may be able to predict Tobi's movement before he uses his s/t is what I am saying Kabuto probably had 40/50 chance of escaping I say

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi. He could maybe destroy Tobi's dimension with a kamui

 

[james the fourth]

Shinra Tensei is instantaneous, thus it is not impractical to think they will counteract just as fast as Minato after they are touched. Might need a source saying Minato has the fastest reflexes of all time.

@Fu and Torune HE STILL TOUCHED THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO REACT DOES NOT MEAN RINNEGAN SHINRA TENSEI WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO (and it would save them too)

heres your source about minato

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[Prince of Persia TTT]

Minato is quite a big name, right? How'd he barely get away, even with his reflexes, AFTER Tobi gave him time to react? Only through FTG.




Tobi's chakra mark disappears when he warps and/or turns intangible.

dude I am just saying raikage and naruto are just fast enough to escape from tobis warping bcoz first of all tobi needs to touch them which is likely not happening in any of the two case :noc:

 

[~Uzumaki~]

You seem to forget that all of them have 1-3 second (3 at the very highest) to react, and Minato, with his reflexes AND with Tobi not warping immediately, barely FTG'd away.
None of the above characters have an S/T tech and/or Minato's reflexes. And assume Tobi won't stop and talk like with Minato, making it even harder.

yeah you're right xd but I believe Minato would have teleported away even if he didnt talk to Tobi, he can react to Raikage's speed, 1 or 2 seconds is enough for him to go poof even if he wasn't expecting it.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

heres your source about minato

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Where does it say that noone else can react when they're touched or, like I had asked, that he has the fastest reflexes in existence that no one else can dodge attacks that he can?

 

[james the fourth]

dude I am just saying raikage and naruto are just fast enough to escape from tobis warping bcoz first of all tobi needs to touch them which is likely not happening in any of the two case :noc:

false. tobi doesnt have to touch them :sy:

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he isnt touching danzo's subordinate

 

[Shisui Namikaze]

Only minato. Even if he did manage to warp minato away. He could still return back to where he has his seals. Only a s/t user can go up against Tobi and win.

 

[james the fourth]

Where does it say that noone else can react when they're touched or, like I had asked, that he has the fastest reflexes in existence that no one else can dodge attacks that he can?

link where it has shown a person with a non kkg like minato dodging a full speed attack like that from about 2 inches from their face?

 

[TobisPawn]

Where does it say that noone else can react when they're touched or, like I had asked, that he has the fastest reflexes in existence that no one else can dodge attacks that he can?

My reply to your post is on Page 2, at the bottom post (sorry, just edited out my old post).

And can't you assume that through feats (dodging V2 A, getting baby Naruto in the air, throwing off explosive tags while FTG'ing), that Minato has higher reflexes than Madara and Nagato, who have practically no reflex feats? U_U

Main post is on Page 2, again.

Only minato. Even if he did manage to warp minato away. He could still return back to where he has his seals. Only a s/t user can go up against Tobi and win.

Pretty much.

yeah you're right xd but I believe Minato would have teleported away even if he didnt talk to Tobi, he can react to Raikage's speed, 1 or 2 seconds is enough for him to go poof even if he wasn't expecting it.

Yeah. I say Minato still would have had it at a 60/100 chance.

Kakashi. He could maybe destroy Tobi's dimension with a kamui

That'd be interesting.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

link where it has shown a person with a non kkg like minato dodging a full speed attack like that from about 2 inches from their face?

There is no need to dodge Shinra Tensei would take care of the problem.

@OP you said so yourself there is a 1-3 second window which is plenty of time for someone who is touched to use Shinra Tensei. No hand signs are needed for ST btw.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

My reply to your post is on Page 2, at the bottom post (sorry, just edited out my old post).

And can't you assume that through feats (dodging V2 A, getting baby Naruto in the air, throwing off explosive tags while FTG'ing), that Minato has higher reflexes than Madara and Nagato, who have practically no reflex feats? U_U

Main post is on Page 2, again.




Pretty much.




Yeah. I say Minato still would have had it at a 60/100 chance.




That'd be interesting.

i think Kakashi's kamui leads to Tobi's dimension which is probably why he told Kakashi that Kamui won't work on him.