Ppl think Tobi > Madara? What?

[TobisPawn]

I would also disagree that Tobi can use Preta path, Gedo Mazo and is effective in offence with intangibility. If you read the anime you will know Gedo Mazo is only active when all Bijuus are in place he is actually controlling them using Rinnegan hence the chakra receivers.

Tobi states himself that he CANNOT use the paths of pain. Don't know why people still try and give him extra powers.

When Tobi attacks Minato he gets hit by a Rasengan. Tobi also cannot just shift enemies at full strength into his dimension also stated at the Kage Summit.

Something to think about

Reread the manga. He said it would be a waste of chakra to use them in his paths. He can still use every Rinnegan tech. :/

This isn't Tobi vs Minato by the way.

 

[Travytrav]

I'm not saying Tobi would win but you seriously have no idea what he could have up his sleeves. Madara has lost so you know he's not invincible. I mostly think claiming either one would win without a doubt it just ridiculous

 

[tristan]

tobi > madara...

float like a butterfly sting like a bee....

you can't beat what you can't touch...

 

[Airjustu]

I think madara knows Tobi in some way...so I don't he would get sucked in

 

[5tails master]

no way madara would beat tobi so bad cuz madara has the rinnegan nd the ems nd wood style tobi just sucks he couldn't beat minato hahah tobi got whooped bad hahahahaha

 

[fat strudle]

i think you all are dumb, there is a reason why tobi was scared of madara and thats simply because he knows that he would completely loose to madara. also madara is suppose to know almost every technique for the sharingan. not only that but tobi was even frightened of itachi and thats why he would keep nagato as head of the akatsuki. so if hes scared of itachi then he would be much more scared of itachi

 

[BloodSeed]

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look at kabuto he was scared and decided to become a bitch. what happened to all of his edos? he got itachi nagato madara and he is scared of tobi? :rofl: maybe thats shows something. tobi was understimated when he got beat for the first time

 

[TheNarutoUzumaki]

All of Hashirama's techniques? On that basis he himself he is pretty much untouchable! Plus you haven't seen all of Madara's techniques. We still don't know how much of the firsts techniques he can use or his own since hes only used Sasuno'o.

He doesnt have all of Hashiramas techniques because he does not have the body to handle it. On one side of the coin anyway we have seen makeshift before with Danzo so it is possible. I also assume he has the incredible amount of chakra to do so. And the reanimation jutsu as scary as it is may not have a limit to the reanimated peoples chakra. However you ignore that it is a possiblity that they have the same techniques due to the same Mangekyo Sharingan. So that theroy hasnt been disproved.


Not sure on this whole deal maybe it was after Naruto took the receptors out cannot remember but they seem to be reacting in the same sense as Edo tensei - Memories and emotions release them as seen when Tobi is attacked by one.



Anyway Madara may have knowledge of the firsts restraining technique, however it has indicated the Sharingan can suppress the tailed beast chakra as Sasuke did when confronting Naruto. Even controlling them with genjutsu's as Madara has done to Kurama before. Will Tobi risk losing the tailed beasts when he is so close to having them all?

For starters you are forgetting the fact that Madara has a rinnegan now not a sharingan. In which case i wanna point out that tobi still has. However even if this is the case genjutsu against genjutsu is the same. However your sasuke theory is not valid due to the fact that killer bee and his tailed beast overcame stronger suppression and genjutsu. However the tailed beasts are not inside Tobi. And This is before the fact that Tobi has lost complete control due to what Naruto did so. What are we really looking at here? In my opinion two of the exact same powers except one has shown his true color, and the other has shown he has tailed beasts. However the one with the tailed beasts has been alive a ton longer than Madara and that means taking into account that he might have perfected jutsu Madara didnt. That aside i am sure he is fully aware of what Madara can do to him. However what Madara hasnt been able to count on for an opponet is someone with a perfected rinnegan, and tailed beasts. Also like i said before if my assumption is correct and they are the same eyes as madaras, his brothers. Then that sharingan can just as easily turn to a rinnegan mid battle and shift the tide based on the experience and all the knowledge about it Tobi has vs Madara. Dispite what techniques each opponet has shown.


It was said that Tobi is the Zetsu clone of Madara?!
So Danzo/Kakashi don't have Sharingan? Did you not think that Tobi took them from Madara's dead body? Edo Tensei restores them to how they were when they died so he came back with both his eyes. It has to be your siblings eyes to obtain EMS that is all!

In what way are you refering Madara to be a clone of Madara made from zetsu? (Show me where it says that!) That would make no sense for zetsu to be taking orders from someone he could just easy undo a clone for at any given moment. Although i will admit that it is highly possible for it to be like Danzo/Kakashi and obtain them from an uchiha. However that also comes with basic drawbacks stated even in the original series. For starters it would make this whole operation impossible cause he wouldnt have the physical stamina to do and keep up with the advanced sharingan techniques. Also you have to take in the incredible knowledge about the sharingan that he has that Kakashi/Danzo do not have. That my friend would have to be someone who was an Uchiha and had the knowledge from inside the clan. There are things that Tobi can do with the sharingan that Kakashi/Danzo cannot. For instance use any other techniques beyond what they have learned and achieved already. Meaning it is impossible for them to use anything beyond what the basic awaking skills of a sharingan have and the first step into MS. Danzo however was only able to handle such as strenous technique only because he had the first hokages cells. And everytime Kakashi does something with his MS he ends up in hospital. That aside Tobis Knowledge and experience with all the techniques Madara has are what will give him an advantage. We cannot assume Madara is the same due to the fact that he died and Tobi tells stories from the past as if he were there and showed them to sasuke. To me sounds like hed have to be there and if Tobi did have Madaras eyes doubtfully stolen and used by a clone in my opinion unless proven otherwise. For these reason i believe Tobi can beat Madara. And this is just a cop out answer but You dont make the main villian able to loose to a reanimated dead body. Besides this could be pointless due to the fact that Kabuto might undue the jutsu anyway.

 

[LuvAva]

How can anyone truly know? They most likely will NEVER fight,And how do we know everything Tobi can do? lol if you think you've seen everything up Tobi's sleeve this is a wasted pointless thread.

 

[LeEvilTongue]

Cant we just say equal for now and everybody be satisfied?

 

[arv993]

wow madara's final sussano adds a factor now into the fight. I still think they are on relatively equal in terms of power and both would give each other a tough time

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

wow madara's final sussano adds a factor now into the fight. I still think they are on relatively equal in terms of power and both would give each other a tough time

Whatever Madara reveals from his arsenal of attacks all is useless if he doesnt posess Space Time ability.

 

[arv993]

Whatever Madara reveals from his arsenal of attacks all is useless if he doesnt posess Space Time ability.

say hello to a few clones and substitution jutsu both of which are pretty effective counters against tobi's s/t. and if used together even more effective

 

[meatsworth1]

well he cant resist it unless he has teleportation. tobi only took one panel to suck up danzo's guards. minato escaped it because of FTG. konan escaped it because she made him suck an explosion instead of her.

im sure madera has somthing better then a few paper bombs to make him suck up like maybe a few massive bolders and that huge plant cant be good for tobis health if he sucks those up not to mention the perfect sasuno all he has to do is swing its sword and he can make mountains vanish